What's new

Huawei loses access to vital chip design updates from Synopsys

F-22Raptor

ELITE MEMBER
Joined
Jun 19, 2014
Messages
16,980
Reaction score
3
Country
United States
Location
United States
TAIPEI -- The world's biggest supplier of chip design tools has stopped providing software updates to Huawei Technologies, a move industry observers say marks another setback to the Chinese company's global ambitions in semiconductors.

Synopsys, based in California, told employees to suspend the updates after the U.S. Commerce Department added Huawei to a list that restricts its access to American technology, two industry sources who are aware of the notice told Nikkei.

Nasdaq-listed Synopsys also put new intellectual property sales to Huawei on hold, the sources said.

The suspension hurts Huawei subsidiary HiSilicon Technologies, China's top chip developer. It threatens to hit a wide range of Huawei's in-house chip development programs and impede the 5G ambitions of the telecommunications equipment maker, industry sources said, although the company can still rely on existing chip designs.

Huawei, which recently surpassed Apple to become the world's No. 2 smartphone maker, outgrew its peers in recent years partly based on the company's ability to make its own custom chips.

Without the support of design tools, Huawei could fall behind in technology while rivals such as Apple and Samsung Electronics race ahead. Only Synopsys and Cadence Design Systems, another U.S.-based design tools provider, are currently capable of providing what Huawei needs to develop advanced chips.

Cadence, also a Huawei supplier, did not reply to questions from Nikkei. But as a U.S. company, Cadence too would face heavy penalties if it continued to supply Huawei without Washington's permission.

"It would become very difficult for Huawei to design new chips if they could not have new updates of software, given that the whole chip production process has become so sophisticated and complicated," a chip industry executive familiar with the matter told the Nikkei Asian Review. "There may be updates every week to help chip developers synchronize with chip manufacturers and solve bugs."

Without those updates, the design process would face endless problems, and chip manufacturers could become reluctant to put those designs into mass production, this person told Nikkei.

"It's like designing those chips in the dark," another industry manager said. "That could take a lot longer and even result in failures."

Huawei is working on its next generation of Kirin mobile processors for premium smartphones, along with new networking processors for fifth-generation wireless base stations and 5G modem chips.

The Chinese company also is developing Kunpeng 920 server processors for data centers to reduce its reliance on U.S. chipmaker Intel, as well as a series of artificial intelligence accelerators for applications including wearable devices and connected cars.

Another industry source familiar with Huawei’s plan said designs had already been completed for the Kirin 985 and Kirin 990 chip lineups for premium handsets, as well as the Balong 5000 5G modem chips for smartphones, due to go into its device offerings this year. “But we are not very sure about chips for next year and beyond as it will take 12 to 18 months to design a new advanced chip,” the person said.

Synopsys admitted earlier this month that “government action to restrict trade with one of our customers and its affiliates" meant it was “unable to book new business” with that client, and would have to put on hold "recognition of currently contracted revenue." It did not name Huawei in the comments, made in an earnings call on May 22. Synopsys declined to comment further when approached by the Nikkei Asian Review.

Little known outside the semiconductor industry, Synopsys is one of the few providers of electronic design automation tools that possesses the full capability to help chip developers realize their designs. EDA tools are the fundamental software in which all chip designs begin, and the sophisticated manufacturing processes make these tools indispensable.

Cadence employees have not received a similar internal notice, but some staffers have avoided email exchanges with Huawei after the U.S. blacklisting for fear of violating the export controls, two people familiar with the matter said.

Those two sources told Nikkei that Cadence last year advised workers to stop engaging with ZTE, Huawei's smaller peer, when President Donald Trump's administration blocked the Chinese telecom equipment maker from using U.S. technologies over sanctions violations involving Iran.

If both suppliers should suspend work with Huawei due to the restrictions, the Chinese company would struggle to find an alternative supplier quickly.

Mentor Graphics -- a smaller EDA tool provider acquired by Germany's Siemens in 2017 -- and China's homegrown counterpart Empyrean Software, a state-owned entity, could not provide complete alternatives to Synopsys and Cadence products.

"We would definitely want to help Huawei if we could, but we really do not have that capability," an Empyrean Software representative told Nikkei. "It would be like we sold cars, but Huawei came in and asked us to build airplanes or even rockets for them."

Huawei declined to comment. Mentor did not respond to Nikkei's request for comment.

Industry sources said pirated EDA software is available online, but that these unlicensed tools could cause production problems. Contract chipmakers such as Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. and smaller Taiwanese peer United Microelectronics may not want to produce designs made using such software.

TSMC said it will make sure each batch of its shipment of chips complies with all trade regulations.

Most U.S. companies supplying Huawei -- including chipmakers Qualcomm, Micron Technology, Qorvo and Lumentum as well as Google -- have said they cannot work with Huawei in the wake of Washington's blacklisting.

HiSilicon President Teresa He Tingbo wrote recently in a letter to employees that her company foresaw a day when it would be cut off from U.S. technologies and has a backup plan to replace all the American chips. But the suspension of design tool updates adds a new obstacle for the Chinese company's Plan B.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/H...ss-to-vital-chip-design-updates-from-Synopsys
 
. . .
TAIPEI -- The world's biggest supplier of chip design tools has stopped providing software updates to Huawei Technologies, a move industry observers say marks another setback to the Chinese company's global ambitions in semiconductors.

Synopsys, based in California, told employees to suspend the updates after the U.S. Commerce Department added Huawei to a list that restricts its access to American technology, two industry sources who are aware of the notice told Nikkei.

Nasdaq-listed Synopsys also put new intellectual property sales to Huawei on hold, the sources said.

The suspension hurts Huawei subsidiary HiSilicon Technologies, China's top chip developer. It threatens to hit a wide range of Huawei's in-house chip development programs and impede the 5G ambitions of the telecommunications equipment maker, industry sources said, although the company can still rely on existing chip designs.

Huawei, which recently surpassed Apple to become the world's No. 2 smartphone maker, outgrew its peers in recent years partly based on the company's ability to make its own custom chips.

Without the support of design tools, Huawei could fall behind in technology while rivals such as Apple and Samsung Electronics race ahead. Only Synopsys and Cadence Design Systems, another U.S.-based design tools provider, are currently capable of providing what Huawei needs to develop advanced chips.

Cadence, also a Huawei supplier, did not reply to questions from Nikkei. But as a U.S. company, Cadence too would face heavy penalties if it continued to supply Huawei without Washington's permission.

"It would become very difficult for Huawei to design new chips if they could not have new updates of software, given that the whole chip production process has become so sophisticated and complicated," a chip industry executive familiar with the matter told the Nikkei Asian Review. "There may be updates every week to help chip developers synchronize with chip manufacturers and solve bugs."

Without those updates, the design process would face endless problems, and chip manufacturers could become reluctant to put those designs into mass production, this person told Nikkei.

"It's like designing those chips in the dark," another industry manager said. "That could take a lot longer and even result in failures."

Huawei is working on its next generation of Kirin mobile processors for premium smartphones, along with new networking processors for fifth-generation wireless base stations and 5G modem chips.

The Chinese company also is developing Kunpeng 920 server processors for data centers to reduce its reliance on U.S. chipmaker Intel, as well as a series of artificial intelligence accelerators for applications including wearable devices and connected cars.

Another industry source familiar with Huawei’s plan said designs had already been completed for the Kirin 985 and Kirin 990 chip lineups for premium handsets, as well as the Balong 5000 5G modem chips for smartphones, due to go into its device offerings this year. “But we are not very sure about chips for next year and beyond as it will take 12 to 18 months to design a new advanced chip,” the person said.

Synopsys admitted earlier this month that “government action to restrict trade with one of our customers and its affiliates" meant it was “unable to book new business” with that client, and would have to put on hold "recognition of currently contracted revenue." It did not name Huawei in the comments, made in an earnings call on May 22. Synopsys declined to comment further when approached by the Nikkei Asian Review.

Little known outside the semiconductor industry, Synopsys is one of the few providers of electronic design automation tools that possesses the full capability to help chip developers realize their designs. EDA tools are the fundamental software in which all chip designs begin, and the sophisticated manufacturing processes make these tools indispensable.

Cadence employees have not received a similar internal notice, but some staffers have avoided email exchanges with Huawei after the U.S. blacklisting for fear of violating the export controls, two people familiar with the matter said.

Those two sources told Nikkei that Cadence last year advised workers to stop engaging with ZTE, Huawei's smaller peer, when President Donald Trump's administration blocked the Chinese telecom equipment maker from using U.S. technologies over sanctions violations involving Iran.

If both suppliers should suspend work with Huawei due to the restrictions, the Chinese company would struggle to find an alternative supplier quickly.

Mentor Graphics -- a smaller EDA tool provider acquired by Germany's Siemens in 2017 -- and China's homegrown counterpart Empyrean Software, a state-owned entity, could not provide complete alternatives to Synopsys and Cadence products.

"We would definitely want to help Huawei if we could, but we really do not have that capability," an Empyrean Software representative told Nikkei. "It would be like we sold cars, but Huawei came in and asked us to build airplanes or even rockets for them."

Huawei declined to comment. Mentor did not respond to Nikkei's request for comment.

Industry sources said pirated EDA software is available online, but that these unlicensed tools could cause production problems. Contract chipmakers such as Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. and smaller Taiwanese peer United Microelectronics may not want to produce designs made using such software.

TSMC said it will make sure each batch of its shipment of chips complies with all trade regulations.

Most U.S. companies supplying Huawei -- including chipmakers Qualcomm, Micron Technology, Qorvo and Lumentum as well as Google -- have said they cannot work with Huawei in the wake of Washington's blacklisting.

HiSilicon President Teresa He Tingbo wrote recently in a letter to employees that her company foresaw a day when it would be cut off from U.S. technologies and has a backup plan to replace all the American chips. But the suspension of design tool updates adds a new obstacle for the Chinese company's Plan B.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/H...ss-to-vital-chip-design-updates-from-Synopsys
A news most probably made for public consumption. Different parts of the story don't fit well.
 
.
TSMC will take care of everything... and they have to if they want a supply of rare earth products from now on.
 
.
I am not sure you are from engineering background, it's like saying autocad is not gonna update your version. It doesn't matter okay? You use zwcad. The same for EDAs, it's basically an electronics autocad, you can use Huada EDA.
 
.
I am not sure you are from engineering background, it's like saying autocad is not gonna update your version. It doesn't matter okay? You use zwcad. The same for EDAs, it's basically an electronics autocad, you can use Huada EDA.
Yep, more or less the same.

BUT, EDAs for microelectronics are fiendishly complex things, and they break often, and what people use for <45nm tapeouts basically requires near constant support from the vendor.

Moreover, access to PDKs are often tied to one's being either on right version of Virtuoso or Synopsys analogues with right software plugins to accommodate a certain litho process specific to a fab.

Development of synthesis optimisation, layouting, and TCAD tools goes pretty much along with development of a process at a leading fab.
 
.
Yep, more or less the same.

BUT, EDAs for microelectronics are fiendishly complex things, and they break often, and what people use for <45nm tapeouts basically requires near constant support from the vendor.

Moreover, access to PDKs are often tied to one's being either on right version of Virtuoso or Synopsys analogues with right software plugins to accommodate a certain litho process specific to a fab.

Development of synthesis optimisation, layouting, and TCAD tools goes pretty much along with development of a process at a leading fab.
Yes, it was developed from CAD, well of course it's much more complex, the point I am saying is there are domestic replacements. And Huada EDA is actually near comparable to synopsys.

Designing upto 7nm is not an issue, the issue is we don't have fabs that manufacture at 7nm. So fabrication compatibility with the semicon equipment is a black box, and hence the need for continuous vendor support for fine-tuning. Well there you go Huada will need to fine-tune with TSMC.
 
.
They can simply copy it and show middle finger

Ghidra was developed in-house at the NSA as a decompiler tool. As a quick summary, a decompiler allows users to reverse engineer computer programs to see the exact code the machine is seeing and executing in a human-readable format. Decompilers are extremely useful in the cybersecurity world, as they allow analysts to tear malware apart and figure out exactly how attacks are executed.
 
.

Pakistan Defence Latest Posts

Country Latest Posts

Back
Top Bottom