How Xinjiang officers carry their daily duty to safeguard peace and stability in Xinjiang

[nang2]

Christ means the ''anointed one'' all prophet have similar domination... anointed by the one who sent them... Allah.
So if prophets themselves who are known to be the most special Human beings by their creator are anointed by him... then what place do Saints who are, according to you, chosen by themselves, hold in all of that?

Or you may say they are anointed by God/Allah. Either way is fine for Saints are the ones who are with God/Allah and you may view them as inseparable for their words are the words of God/Allah. And in either way, they are not anointed by people. I used the word "Saints" to refer to anyone who has such a true authority, not just some holy person revered by people. That is why I capitalized 'S'.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Or you may say they are anointed by God/Allah. Either way is fine for Saints are the ones who are with God/Allah and you may view them as inseparable for their words are the words of God/Allah. And in either way, they are not anointed by people. I used the word "Saints" to refer to anyone who has such a true authority, not just some holy person revered by people. That is why I capitalized 'S'.

Then what gave them legitimacy?
Prophet got their legitimacy by their message that is similar to one another ie Worship one and only one God. and their miracles associated to them. and therefore maintaining a lineage and a consistence.

 

[Adam WANG SHANGHAI MEGA]

No matter how much efforts those biased westerners spent to dishonor China and Xinjiang province,we Chineses ,Han Chineses and Uyghur Chineses included,will continue to do the best we can to lift China's GDP per capita from 10000 USD to 30000 USD and beyond.
And nothing can challenge our goals and wills.

 

[nang2]

Then what gave them legitimacy?
Prophet got their legitimacy by their message that is similar to one another ie Worship one and only one God. and their miracles associated to them. and therefore maintaining a lineage and a consistence.

God/Allah gave them legitimacy. Of course, that would be beyond the understanding of human beings as we wouldn't really know God without Saints. Yes, it sounds like a catch 22. That is why we call being with a true Saint is a blessing. It is certainly not because we make a conscious and correct judgement to their legitimacy. It is just because we got lucky, or being blessed for whatever reason. If you think you can use your faculty of rational reasoning to evaluate the legitimacy of a Saint, you are not only wrong but also on the path of being a hubris. On the other hand, rational reasoning works well to identify fakes.

 

[GHALIB]

These Uyghur are trained with weapons. Why don't they rebel when their people are persecuted by the Government in Concentration camp? Isn't it weird? They have the weapons, they have the skills, they have the people. Why don't they rebel? Isn't that weird?

they are realists not some retard

 

[HannibalBarca]

God/Allah gave them legitimacy. Of course, that would be beyond the understanding of human beings as we wouldn't really know God without Saints. Yes, it sounds like a catch 22. That is why we call being with a true Saint is a blessing. It is certainly not because we make a conscious and correct judgement to their legitimacy. It is just because we got lucky, or being blessed for whatever reason. If you think you can use your faculty of rational reasoning to evaluate the legitimacy of a Saint, you are not only wrong but also on the path of being a hubris. On the other hand, rational reasoning works well to identify fakes.

So I shall believe Him, because he said so?
And That I shall NOT use Reasoning and Logic to assert whatever he is true... But shall USE reasoning and logic to assert if he is false?

Then come... the chosen part... Why me or another be chosen to attain salvation... and another don't When he/she never heard him...saw him... or don't even live near him... are they doomed from birth just because their creator put them in a different area... that is arguably the most unjust God (in this situation)

In comparison in Islam... Everyone HAS to use his mind to assert whatever X or Y said is true or not... Blind faith is actually not encouraged And each Individual can willingly accept it or reject it. As for Who can or cannot be a ''believer''... it is upon each to chose...
Therefore ALLAH will not judge the belief of X or Y IF He/She never heard of it (the message of the oness of God) or if He/She didn't got the message conveyed properly... and will be judge justly upon their ''deeds' on Earth. Allah is the most Just.

 

[nang2]

So I shall believe Him, because he said so?
And That I shall NOT use Reasoning and Logic to assert whatever he is true... But shall USE reasoning and logic to assert if he is false?

Then come... the chosen part... Why me or another be chosen to attain salvation... and another don't When he/she never heard him...saw him... or don't even live near him... a

In comparison in Islam... Everyone HAS to use his mind to assert whatever X or Y said is true or not... Blind faith is actually not encouraged And each Individual can willingly accept it or reject it. As for Who can or cannot be a ''believer''... it is upon each to chose...
Therefore ALLAH will not judge the belief of X or Y IF He/She never heard of it or if He/She didn't got the message conveyed properly... and will be judge justly upon their ''deeds' on Earth.

YES! But your reasoning is not completely useless. As I said, it can help you to identify fake ones but can never give you definitive proof on real ones for they are beyond the realm of logic. Not only your reasoning is useful, but also your heart. Saints reach to people by all means they find effective. To the intellectuals, they may give you a sounding argument. To the others, they touch their hearts.

Faith is always blind or at least partially blind until your spirit reaches the realm of Allah. That is why it is called "faith", which requires obedience without logical proof. Not because Saints want our complete obedience for their sake. It is because our reasoning could get in the way of truly reaching the realm of Allah. Just like a kid who attends the elementary school for the first time. Should the parents tell him to have a thorough debate with his teachers or should they just tell the kid to listen to the teachers, at least for now? As I said, having more questions doesn't always lead to more answers. Sometimes, they prevent you from getting closer to the truth. But we are not completely hopeless during the journey. Saints, as our guides, will let us know what signs to look for that mark progress. So the faith is not completely blind.

I love one prose from Kahlil Gibran's "On Love":

When you love you should not say, "God is in my heart," but rather, "I am in the heart of God."
And think not you can direct the course of love, for love, if it finds you worthy, directs your course.

The same attitude can be applied to Saints and Allah. Don't think you can direct the spiritual course towards Him. He will direct your course when He finds you worthy. That is faith.

 

[HannibalBarca]

YES! But your reasoning is not completely useless. As I said, it can help you to identify fake ones but can never give you definitive proof on real ones for they are beyond the realm of logic. Not only your reasoning is useful, but also your heart. Saints reach to people by all means they find effective. To the intellectuals, they may give you a sounding argument. To the others, they touch their hearts.

Faith is always blind or at least partially blind until your spirit reaches the realm of Allah. That is why it is called "faith", which requires obedience without logical proof. Not because Saints want our complete obedience for their sake. It is because our reasoning could get in the way of truly reaching the realm of Allah. Just like a kid who attends the elementary school for the first time. Should the parents tell him to have a thorough debate with his teachers or should they just tell the kid to listen to the teachers, at least for now? As I said, having more questions doesn't always lead to more answers. Sometimes, they prevent you from getting closer to the truth. But we are not completely hopeless during the journey. Saints, as our guides, will let us know what signs to look for that mark progress. So the faith is not completely blind.

I love one prose from Kahlil Gibran's "On Love":

When you love you should not say, "God is in my heart," but rather, "I am in the heart of God."
And think not you can direct the course of love, for love, if it finds you worthy, directs your course.

The same attitude can be applied to Saints and Allah. Don't think you can direct the spiritual course towards Him. He will direct your course when He finds you worthy. That is faith.

The Q is not really about if he is real or not... but on what can I base my judgement... I understand your POV in accordance to your belief... but there is still a missing link... What though process X or Y shall use/base his answer... Almost no one can ''accept'' without having the most basic understanding/feel via his senses... and in your vision... I don't see it, as if a newborn is ready to speak... and you ready to believe.

We both agree that no one will understand/see/feel the truth before dying... That no one need absolut truth to believe. But there is still a difference btw ''believing'' and '' Just believing''... it's like if I ask you...Do you believe that your father is your father... You will still believe in that truth according to 2nd sources material ( facial resemblance; family testimony etc...) without taking a DNA test.

As for the teacher/kid exemple... you are right... a little kid with limited knowledge will not Question his teacher words... BUT that kid... with time get more knowledge... read... build his critical mind... and later on in his life... will draw the conclusion if that teacher was or wasn't entirely knowledgeable... and will adapt to that new reality... accepting it and fulfilling it or take another way... and he doesn't need to die for having that ''answer''... and he doesn't even need to be himself in the truth or not... but at least he used his thinking process to access an answer that is suitable to him, instead of never Questioning that knowledge he acquired.

 

[nang2]

The Q is not really about if he is real or not... but on what can I base my judgement... I understand your POV in accordance to your belief... but there is still a missing link... What though process X or Y shall use/base his answer... Almost no one can ''accept'' without having the most basic understanding/feel via his senses... and in your vision... I don't see it, as if a newborn is ready to speak... and you ready to believe.

We both agree that no one will understand/see/feel the truth before dying... That no one need absolut truth to believe. But there is still a difference btw ''believing'' and '' Just believing''... it's like if I ask you...Do you believe that your father is your father... You will still believe in that truth according to 2nd sources material ( facial resemblance; family testimony etc...) without taking a DNA test.

As for the teacher/kid exemple... you are right... a little kid with limited knowledge will not Question his teacher words... BUT that kid... with time get more knowledge... read... build his critical mind... and later on in his life... will draw the conclusion if that teacher was or wasn't entirely knowledgeable... and will adapt to that new reality... accepting it and fulfilling it or take another way... and he doesn't need to die for having that ''answer''... and he doesn't even need to be himself in the truth or not... but at least he used his thinking process to access an answer that is suitable to him, instead of never Questioning that knowledge he acquired.

True. Everyone needs something to work on in his mind to guide his actions and decisions. That is perfectly fine and legitimate. The key is to take it with a grain of salt. No matter how we say "we believe", we have to suspect that there is some wishy-washy in it and cannot be taken it too literally. Spiritual journey is a progress and human languages, just as human beings, aren't perfect.

But I believe one CAN understand/see/feel the truth before dying. In fact, that is the whole point of spiritual practice in this lifetime. If the life is a school term, then the death is the final exam. How could one be sure he won't flunk the final exam unless he knew the answer to the exam question before the exam? How could one be sure he would or could go to heaven unless he has been there before? Saints themselves are the perfect examples. Don't you agree that Mohammad understood/saw/felt the truth before his death?

 

[HannibalBarca]

True. Everyone needs something to work on in his mind to guide his actions and decisions. That is perfectly fine and legitimate. The key is to take it with a grain of salt. No matter how we say "we believe", we have to suspect that there is some wishy-washy in it and cannot be taken it too literally. Spiritual journey is a progress and human languages, just as human beings, aren't perfect.

But I believe one CAN understand/see/feel the truth before dying. In fact, that is the whole point of spiritual practice in this lifetime. If the life is a school term, then the death is the final exam. How could one be sure he won't flunk the final exam unless he knew the answer to the exam question before the exam? How could one be sure he would or could go to heaven unless he has been there before? Saints themselves are the perfect examples. Don't you agree that Mohammad understood/saw/felt the truth before his death?

The answer is already given... it's in the teaching/book of each prophet sent... That's why I asked you on what do you evaluate X or Y claim if it's only believe in ''Him''' because he said so...

In Islam, the answer is... ''Believe in one and only one God, who has no equal and Eternal'' That's the Answer... open and seen by anyone... Now whatever you wish to believe in it or not ''according'' to what is revealed by the prophet is up to you and you will use your mind for it. ALLAH created us weak, limited etc... therefore He knows and doesn't need us to attain ''perfection'' in that belief.

Now does that make me automatically go to heaven? Ofc not... No one knows their judgement... only by the Mercy of Allah that each individuals will succeed and be granted such or such rewards.
As for Mohammed (saw), only ALLAH knows best. Prophets in the entire Human History, never said '' I, as a Prophet knows what judgement i will receive after my death etc...'' they till their last breath, asked fro mercy, forgiveness,help from their creator... They were the best of Men... but still Humans, and everything that goes with it.

 

[nang2]

''Believe in one and only one God, who has no equal and Eternal'' That's the Answer...

That is not the answer for what God is still a question. Or you would be a Saint already. You cannot logically form an answer with a question. This type of "answer" always leads to confusion whenever someone brings up a new terminology. Since you don't really know what God is, you cannot judge his claim on his new terminology being equivalent to God. The kind of argument will go on and on without an end.

 

[HannibalBarca]

That is not the answer for what God is still a question. Or you would be a Saint already. You cannot logically form an answer with a question. This type of "answer" always leads to confusion whenever someone brings up a new terminology. Since you don't really know what God is, you cannot judge his claim on his new terminology being equivalent to God. The kind of argument will go on and on without an end.

If you accept prophets... you accept their words... and all of them said one and only one thing.
''Believe in one and only one God, who has no equal and Eternal''


No Prophet from Adam to Muhammad (saw) Diverted from this message. None.

 

[nang2]

If you accept prophets... you accept their words... and all of them said one and only one thing.
''Believe in one and only one God, who has no equal and Eternal''


No Prophet from Adam to Muhammad (saw) Diverted from this message. None.

Yes, and so can the fake ones to gain your trust and you have no way to disapprove otherwise. The logic runs like this: all Saints/Prophets say this same sentence but not all the people who say this same sentence are Saints/Prophets. People can lie. They even can without knowing they are lying. Have you thought about this possibility?

 

[HannibalBarca]

Yes, and so can the fake ones to gain your trust and you have no way to disapprove otherwise. The logic runs like this: all Saints/Prophets say this same sentence but not all the people who say this same sentence are Saints/Prophets. People can lie. They even can without knowing they are lying. Have you thought about this possibility?

They don't just come and say it and we all take them for prophets.
No prophets came with this message and that's it.
Every one of them came with a bagage that was intended for the people of that time.

Abraham came out of the fire that his people throw him in
Moses, with the snake, and opening of the sea
Jesus by speaking as a baby...reviving the dead and heal the sick
Muhammad With the Miracle of the Quran and predictions of the future.
etc...

None of them asked, wished or let anyone make them more than they are...Humans and Only Humans, That hold no divinity, who will feel death and be judge by their creator...

No any other religion, divin ideology hold such consistency since day 1 and that after thousands and thousands and thousands of years... Only one and one same Message. that transcended Time, and civilisation.

 

[HannibalBarca]

@从八品主簿 Wise choice.