How Will India's Attempted Hinduization Impact Pakistan and the World?

[Dukkar]

I fear it will be devastating for PK

 

[RiazHaq]

Video: It is time to make #India free of #Muslims, says Sadhvi Prachi of #VHP. #Modi #BJP http://indianexpress.com/article/in...sadhvi-prachi-make-india-muslim-free-2839903/ … via @vuukle


Touching off a controversy, VHP leader Sadhvi Prachi on Tuesday said it is time to make India free of Muslims.
Known for courting controversies, the Sadhvi claimed the mission of a Congress-free India has already been “accomplished” and it is now time to rid the country of Muslims.
“Now that we have achieved the mission of making a Congress-free India, it is time to make India Muslim-free. We are working on that,” she said in Roorkee where at least 32 people were injured last week in a clash between two communities over forcible evacuation of a scrap dealer’s shop.


Khanpur MLA Kunwar Pranav Singh Champion’s house was attacked by members of a community alleging their sacred book was also desecrated by his supporters. The Sadhvi claimed that the attack on Champion’s house was part of a premeditated conspiracy.
Champion, one of the nine Congress MLAs who revolted against Chief Minister Harish Rawat, recently joined BJP.


On the forthcoming Uttar Pradesh Assembly polls, she said if BJP projects Yogi Adityananth as its chief ministerial candidate, it was bound to win 300 seats in the state.
Prachi had often been in the news for asking people to boycott films of Bollywood Khans and demanding a CBI probe into all Muslim educational institutions including Aligarh Muslim University and madrasas in Deoband to check anti-national activities.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Hindu-ization of india is a self destructive path for that country....it could be seen even within the first year of mickey-mouse modi's helm to power. A mere glimpse of headlines in india and the whole debate about so-called "hindu nationalism" is enough to reach that conclusion. It's no different than talebanization - which is equally degenerate in nature

I fear it will be devastating for PK

from Pakistan's perspective the polarization and exposed divisions in india are actually quite beneficial.....as long as it's contained and stays there

 

[RiazHaq]

Will raise India's Hindu population to 100% from 82%: VHP leader Praveen Togadia

A day after RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat described India as a "Hindu rashtra", senior Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) leader Praveen Togadia on Sunday said efforts will be made to "increase" the percentage of Hindus in the country, but skirted the issue of religious conversion.
He also said Bhagwat's assertion of "Hindu rashtra (Hindu nation)" at the Kolkata convention is like a "gospel" for VHP.
"We are going to take percentage of Hindus to 100 in country. Currently there are 82 per cent Hindus in India, and we don't want this number to be halved. We won't tolerate Hindus becoming a minority in the country," Togadia, who is also international working president of VHP, said while addressing a function here.
Togadia however skirted the issue of religious conversions during his address.

Alleging that innocent Hindus are "being converted" to other faiths by "allurement", including cash, Togadia said VHP will provide security to Hindus in the country besides whatever help they may need in foreign countries.
Reiterating VHP's opposition to "Love jihad", Togadia said that his outfit wants to "eradicate the social evil of caste from Hindu society".
In his address to a Hindu convention in Kolkata yesterday, Bhagwat had defended the current controversial campaign of the Sangh Parivar and dared the opposition to support a law banning religious conversions. He had also described the country as a "Hindu rashtra." To a query on the issue of religious conversion, Togadia refused to comment, saying, "a raging debate is already going on in Parliament on this issue."
"VHP is awakening 100 crore Hindus of the country so that each one of them will get food, education, medicine and employment," Togadia said replying to a query whether the focus on religious conversions by various Sangh Pariwar outfits is at variance with the talk of development by Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

http://www.firstpost.com/india/will...opulation-to-100-from-82-togadia-2001047.html

 

[Shapur]

As long as they follow the true teachings of Hinduism the Hinduization will be good for India and the whole region.

 

[Salik]

Hindu-ization of india is a self destructive path for that country....it could be seen even within the first year of mickey-mouse modi's helm to power. A mere glimpse of headlines in india and the whole debate about so-called "hindu nationalism" is enough to reach that conclusion. It's no different than talebanization - which is equally degenerate in nature

If we look at Islamic history prior to 1400 years we will find many examples of cosmetic surgery. If Islam in Arab would accomodate those examples a pandora box would open. So Arabian Islam kept things simple by taking kind of a short cut and started things all over from 6th century AD. Otherwise we 'Muslims' would be celebrating Moses victory over Pharaoh and birth of Jesus equally. Would have been a total approach, beneficial from many aspects. But we can't question the intentions of pioneers of Arabian Islam, they might have genuine justifications. As some people think Islam in sub continent was born in 1947, most of the people think Islam on earth was born 1400 ago. Islam is Deen ul Queyyem, it never sieze to exist for one day.

People in India preserved this Deen/Dharam/Religion for thousands of years. They also saved its totalness. So you will see dharmic people celebrating Eid, Holi, Christmas together. If they ask to preserve the basics means they ask to preserve the tolerance and acceptance of new. Its like dual effect. See 'hindu' is relatively new term they have accepted it wholeheartedly.

Comparing Taliban with these people would be a historical mistake. Talibans don't have even complete Arabian Islam, few selected Verses and Hadiths and their implementation on force. Some people treat them as Kharjis i.e. people out of religion. They are product of particular time and space interaction, many have come before.

OP also need introspection what has been happening in his world or how he has been looking at the world.

 

[Jackdaws]

One can't a few statements by ultra ring wing individuals as an instrument of state policy. There are right wingers everywhere. Even in Pakistan, I was reading some Maulvi threatened to disrobe Marvi Sirmed and her mother. Apparently the guy is a senator.

India's ethos is secular - always has been. If India was so hell bent on subjugating Muslims it would have declared itself a Hindu state in 1947 based on the 2 nation theory. Pakistan can't have it both ways - it claims Hindus and Muslims are two separate nations and has completely asserted its Islamic identity on its own state. When India asserts its Hindu identity - not as a matter of state policy but as the prevalent culture of the land - somehow this rankles Pakistani commentators. Shouldn't you be happy if India becomes 98% Hindu like Pakistan is 98% Muslim - wouldn't that reinforce your much touted 2 nation theory?

 

[MilSpec]

If we look at Islamic history prior to 1400 years we will find many examples of cosmetic surgery. If Islam in Arab would accomodate those examples a pandora box would open. So Arabian Islam kept things simple by taking kind of a short cut and started things all over from 6th century AD. Otherwise we 'Muslims' would be celebrating Moses victory over Pharaoh and birth of Jesus equally. Would have been a total approach, beneficial from many aspects. But we can't question the intentions of pioneers of Arabian Islam, they might have genuine justifications. As some people think Islam in sub continent was born in 1947, most of the people think Islam on earth was born 1400 ago. Islam is Deen ul Queyyem, it never sieze to exist for one day.

People in India preserved this Deen/Dharam/Religion for thousands of years. They also saved its totalness. So you will see dharmic people celebrating Eid, Holi, Christmas together. If they ask to preserve the basics means they ask to preserve the tolerance and acceptance of new. Its like dual effect. See 'hindu' is relatively new term they have accepted it wholeheartedly.

Comparing Taliban with these people would be a historical mistake. Talibans don't have even complete Arabian Islam, few selected Verses and Hadiths and their implementation on force. Some people treat them as Kharjis i.e. people out of religion. They are product of particular time and space interaction, many have come before.

OP also need introspection what has been happening in his world or how he has been looking at the world.

you need to visit this forum more often.

 

[Salik]

you need to visit this forum more often.

Thank you sir. Things must be clear. I give an example here.

Muslims believed that Hoopoe's crown was gifted by Prophet Solomon in return for some services this bird rendered to the Prophet.

Many would even not know about it. Only dharmic people in India have preserved these things and they mention them in their daily life with pride.

Of course this Hoopoe's example is miracle of DNA engineering in living organisms. Muslims can make it part of their text books for future research, but no they are living in some other worlds!!

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

If we look at Islamic history prior to 1400 years we will find many examples of cosmetic surgery. If Islam in Arab would accomodate those examples a pandora box would open. So Arabian Islam kept things simple by taking kind of a short cut and started things all over from 6th century AD. Otherwise we 'Muslims' would be celebrating Moses victory over Pharaoh and birth of Jesus equally.

they are also holy figures for us but I see your point here

 

[DesiGuy1403]

Why would Hinduization of India be an issue at all?

How many Christian countries are there in the world?
How many Islamic countries are there in the world?

If having tens of Christian and Islamic countries is not an issue, having ONE SINGLE Hindu country in the world is something I am sure we can live with.

 

[RiazHaq]

S Khilnani Book: #India was "fragmented into kingdoms, savaged by #caste divisions, mired in poverty" http://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/india-in-pieces … via @newyorker

Last year, a professor at the Indian Science Congress, in Mumbai, claimed that India possessed airplanes seven thousand years ago. He isn’t alone in such beliefs. When a certain swathe of India’s population considers the country’s ancient past, it doesn’t see a country fragmented into kingdoms, savaged by caste divisions, and mired in poverty; rather, what’s envisioned is a vast, unified Hindu empire stretching from Kashmir to the Indian tip at Kanyakumari. This imagined entity brims with characters from Indian epics and spits out grand inventions that would put scientists in the twenty-first century to shame—not only airplanes but cars, plastic surgery, and stem-cell research. What these Indians see, in other words, is an India that was once greater than any other nation on earth, and which has since fallen into a cruddy, postcolonial despair. Muslim and British invaders, they insist, have sapped the subcontinent’s energies over the past millennium.

This is a major strand of the nativist philosophy espoused by Prime Minister Narendra Modi and the flotilla of parties and social organizations that escorted him to power, in 2014. It is, in the rippling and echoing way of world events, in step with archaic right-wing movements everywhere—Make India Great Again would be a suitable slogan—and it is untroubled by facts. In the past year, right-wing mobs have lynched and beaten Muslims and Dalits (the former untouchables, who have often refused to be co-opted by upper-class-dominated Hindu nationalism) in Delhi, Haryana, Uttar Pradesh, Gujarat, Madhya Pradesh, and Jharkhand for allegedly eating beef, a crime that these nationalists cannot condone after a millennium of their religion’s supposed persecution. (Hinduism has always been the majority religion on the subcontinent.) Dormant laws in Indian states banning cow-slaughter and beef consumption are now being enforced. In January, a Dalit Ph.D. student at Hyderabad University hanged himself from the ceiling fan in his room after right-wing groups bore down on him for his activism. Elsewhere, emboldened nationalist groups have intimidated fiction writers, scholars, and publishers into silence for wounding religious sentiments. Student protests are branded “anti-national” and slapped with sedition charges.

In India, right now, the past is violently alive, and it is being bandied about like a blunt instrument, striking down those who try to speak sense to the present or who try to point out that this past is itself a fiction.

One of the intellectuals involved in calling the right’s bluff is the Indian scholar Sunil Khilnani, who has just published an incisive work of popular history, “Incarnations: India in Fifty Lives.” Where the opposition is clamorous, the book is calm; where the opposition flexes its Vedic muscles, the book is undercutting, irreverent, and impish. It attempts to show, through prodigious but lightly worn scholarship, how complex and heterodox the Indian past was, and how it has been, and continues to be, constructed.

Khilnani begins with the Buddha, who lived around 500 B.C.E., and is thus, Khilnani writes, the “first individual personality we can recognize in the subcontinent’s history,” as well as an apostle of neutrality and nonviolence. The Buddha’s religion has receded in India, except as a balm to the Dalits, who escaped into it, and as a self-help tool for a sliver of the upper classes, who have embraced it the way that some people in the West do. Buddha prefigures many of the themes in the book. A sheltered man, he is moved by his first encounter with suffering, and leaves behind his wealthy family to wander India in the thrall of slowly budding new ideas. He is serene and centered amid violence. He is open-minded and against sects in a Brahmin-dominated society. He calls for a total reinvention of Hinduism—one that becomes its own religion.....

 

[Deepika Maheshwari]

S Khilnani Book: #India was "fragmented into kingdoms, savaged by #caste divisions, mired in poverty" http://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/india-in-pieces … via @newyorker

Last year, a professor at the Indian Science Congress, in Mumbai, claimed that India possessed airplanes seven thousand years ago. He isn’t alone in such beliefs. When a certain swathe of India’s population considers the country’s ancient past, it doesn’t see a country fragmented into kingdoms, savaged by caste divisions, and mired in poverty; rather, what’s envisioned is a vast, unified Hindu empire stretching from Kashmir to the Indian tip at Kanyakumari. This imagined entity brims with characters from Indian epics and spits out grand inventions that would put scientists in the twenty-first century to shame—not only airplanes but cars, plastic surgery, and stem-cell research. What these Indians see, in other words, is an India that was once greater than any other nation on earth, and which has since fallen into a cruddy, postcolonial despair. Muslim and British invaders, they insist, have sapped the subcontinent’s energies over the past millennium.

This is a major strand of the nativist philosophy espoused by Prime Minister Narendra Modi and the flotilla of parties and social organizations that escorted him to power, in 2014. It is, in the rippling and echoing way of world events, in step with archaic right-wing movements everywhere—Make India Great Again would be a suitable slogan—and it is untroubled by facts. In the past year, right-wing mobs have lynched and beaten Muslims and Dalits (the former untouchables, who have often refused to be co-opted by upper-class-dominated Hindu nationalism) in Delhi, Haryana, Uttar Pradesh, Gujarat, Madhya Pradesh, and Jharkhand for allegedly eating beef, a crime that these nationalists cannot condone after a millennium of their religion’s supposed persecution. (Hinduism has always been the majority religion on the subcontinent.) Dormant laws in Indian states banning cow-slaughter and beef consumption are now being enforced. In January, a Dalit Ph.D. student at Hyderabad University hanged himself from the ceiling fan in his room after right-wing groups bore down on him for his activism. Elsewhere, emboldened nationalist groups have intimidated fiction writers, scholars, and publishers into silence for wounding religious sentiments. Student protests are branded “anti-national” and slapped with sedition charges.

In India, right now, the past is violently alive, and it is being bandied about like a blunt instrument, striking down those who try to speak sense to the present or who try to point out that this past is itself a fiction.

One of the intellectuals involved in calling the right’s bluff is the Indian scholar Sunil Khilnani, who has just published an incisive work of popular history, “Incarnations: India in Fifty Lives.” Where the opposition is clamorous, the book is calm; where the opposition flexes its Vedic muscles, the book is undercutting, irreverent, and impish. It attempts to show, through prodigious but lightly worn scholarship, how complex and heterodox the Indian past was, and how it has been, and continues to be, constructed.

Khilnani begins with the Buddha, who lived around 500 B.C.E., and is thus, Khilnani writes, the “first individual personality we can recognize in the subcontinent’s history,” as well as an apostle of neutrality and nonviolence. The Buddha’s religion has receded in India, except as a balm to the Dalits, who escaped into it, and as a self-help tool for a sliver of the upper classes, who have embraced it the way that some people in the West do. Buddha prefigures many of the themes in the book. A sheltered man, he is moved by his first encounter with suffering, and leaves behind his wealthy family to wander India in the thrall of slowly budding new ideas. He is serene and centered amid violence. He is open-minded and against sects in a Brahmin-dominated society. He calls for a total reinvention of Hinduism—one that becomes its own religion.....

As-salamu alaykum Chacha-jan! Been following your musings for quite sometime. Happy to see you here!

I believe it is not just India, world over narrow nationalism with racial and religious groundings is on the rise. Just saw the latest supporters of Trump which includes extreme islamophobic cults like Gods2.com, KKK and our local Indian "Hindutava" Brigade. In-fact his latest electoral ad tragetting Hindu 'rights' is so ridiculous that it makes me wonder that if that is what they think will entice Hindus to vote for him - sheer hatered for Islam. I will be appalled if that actually becomes a reality.

 

[kamrananvaar]

Any religious scripture which teaches tolerance, unity, contains progressive ideas, wisdom and appeals well to todays world context and gives good message to people should be given importance.
Nothing wrong with that.

Most of the Hindu scriptures are universal and consider humanity as one. So the arguments against Gita are not valid.

progressive ideas you mean cow piss drinking???
tolerance and hinduism are poles apart , i can go on and on

 

[Soumitra]

progressive ideas you mean cow piss drinking???
tolerance and hinduism are poles apart , i can go on and on

The Supreme court of India has said Hinduism is the way of Life. Recently some "Seculars" tried to get the verdict reversed but the court has maintained the same

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Hinduism-is-a-way-of-life-SC/articleshow/1087322.cms

Will not re-visit 1995 judgment on 'Hindutva', says Supreme Court


PTI Updated: Oct 25, 2016 21:37 IST



#1995 verdict Hindutva #Hinduism #Hindutva #Representation of the People (RP) Act #Supreme Court #Teesta Setalvad

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  "We will not go into the larger debate as to what is 'Hindutva' or what is its meaning. We will not re-consider the 1995 judgement and also not examine 'Hindutva' or religion at this stage," a seven-judge constitution bench headed by Chief Justice TS Thakur said.
  
  The court, to which the issue has been referred by a five-judge bench, is examining the "scope and width" of section 123(3) of the Representation of the People (RP) Act which deals with electoral malpractices amounting to "corrupt practices", among other things.
  
  "The appeal by a candidate or his agent or by any other person with the consent of a candidate or his election agent to vote or refrain from voting for any person on the ground of his religion, race, caste, community or language or the use of, or appeal to religious symbols or the use of, or appeal to, national symbols..., for furtherance of the prospects of the election of that candidate or for prejudicially affecting the election of any candidate" would amount to corrupt practices, the provision says.
  
  Dealing with the reference, the bench said, "At this stage, we will confine ourselves to the issue raised before us in the reference. In the reference, there is no mention of the word 'Hindutva'".
  
  "If anybody will show that there is a reference to the word 'Hindutva', we will hear him. We will not go into 'Hindutva' at this stage," the bench, also comprising Justices MB Lokur, SA Bobde, AK Goel, UU Lalit, DY Chandrachud and L Nageshwar Rao, said.
  
  The remarks were made by the bench after senior advocate KK Venugopal, appearing for one OP Gupta who is seeking to intervene in the ongoing proceedings, said that he should also be heard if the bench is going into the question of Hindutva and seeking of votes on the basis of religion.
  
  Social activist Teesta Setalvad had earlier sought to intervene in the matter with an application stating that religion and politics should not be mixed and a direction be passed to de-link religion from politics.