How to Overtake the Indian Armour ?

[danger007]

No need of nukes indian armoured forces can be wiped out with handheld javelian like missiles known as Bajkhtare shikan or
milan which pakistan has in unspecified numbers

does your defense minister and generals know about this secret??? please tell them.

 

[notorious_eagle]

Moral of the story is You can't just use NASR against cold start doctrine. No matter how members here fantasize it on this forum!

Because India has already mentioned it clearly that:-



So..either you use 1 kg of nuclear weapon or 100 kg it is the same thing a "Nuclear" Attack! Which then lead to very dangerous end!!

So stop Fantasizing the last resort!

If PA could not use NASR, it would have never spent resources and developed it. NASR will be used if the IA IBG's are successful and manage to break Pakistan into two. If the nation is at the brink of a collapse, you can be sure that PA will fire NASR on your Armoured Columns to give India a notice that you are reaching the nuclear threshold.

As soon as NASR is fired, you can expect the order to go out to the Strategic Command to start assembling all the ballistic missiles in our inventory. If India decides to respond with a launch of massive nuclear strike, you can expect that Pakistan will also strike back with all its nuclear arsenal. It is upto India now to decide whether she wants to fry up entire South Asia over their Armoured Column or not, because you can be sure of one thing that Pakistan will fire all of its nuclear arsenal which is in excess of 100 at India.

 

[HongWu]

historically your leadership has stayed away from Indo-Pak wars. I dont see much reason why they would take such a step in any future scenario. Like santro has rightly pointed out IA already stations sufficient resources to man the china border and will not move them for a PK war.
Moving our assets from the chinese border would be a waste anyway.

No offense to either countries but China knows India and Pakistan play cat fight all the time, so it doesn't get involved in these things. If there ever was something SERIOUS going down in the subcontinent, Beijing would be forced to act.

 

[Abhishek_]

somehow I don't see PLA fighting someone else's war.

No offense to either countries but China knows India and Pakistan play cat fight all the time, so it doesn't get involved in these things. If there ever was something SERIOUS going down in the subcontinent, Beijing would be forced to act.

I'm guessing PLA thought dismembering of her best friend in 1971 was just a funny taiwanese drama

 

[Major Sam]

Indian wants some more lessons

 

[SQ8]

As a general rule..
there are more .. knowledgeable PAF officer's than that of the PA(due to the nature of their jobs and greater exposure)..So one gets to meet them more than the good ones. However.. most officers I have met whom I consider a war with India unlikely.

 

[Abhishek_]

Indian wants some more lessons

empty rhetoric just makes you look like a tool.
keep going though, its amusing for us

 

[AMRITSAR]

If PA could not use NASR, it would have never spent resources and developed it. NASR will be used if the IA IBG's are successful and manage to break Pakistan into two. If the nation is at the brink of a collapse, you can be sure that PA will fire NASR on your Armoured Columns to give India a notice that you are reaching the nuclear threshold.

As soon as NASR is fired, you can expect the order to go out to the Strategic Command to start assembling all the ballistic missiles in our inventory. If India decides to respond with a launch of massive nuclear strike, you can expect that Pakistan will also strike back with all its nuclear arsenal. It is upto India now to decide whether she wants to fry up entire South Asia over their Armoured Column or not, because you can be sure of one thing that Pakistan will fire all of its nuclear arsenal which is in excess of 100 at India.

why pakistani awam always from first word want to give India a nuclear attack,the nuclear bombs that was dropped on Hiroshima and Nagashaki were toys comapre to todays,we have a population of 120 crore and pakistan have approx. 20 crore if pakistan drops say some 30 nuclear bombs on Indian major cities in retaliation India will drop/fire three to four or bombs the entire pakistan will finished.we still be have some 20 to 30 crore but are you will have?

 

[HongWu]

I'm guessing PLA thought dismembering of her best friend in 1971 was just a funny taiwanese drama

That was during the phase of the Cold War when China and Pakistan were on opposite sides.

And China was in the middle of the undeclared civil war known as the cultural revolution.

Today, when China has done so much to prop up Pakistan, no Beijing leadership is stupid enough to let India bulldoze over it..... because we know China will be the next target

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

That was during the phase of the Cold War when China and Pakistan were on opposite sides.

And China was in the middle of the undeclared civil war known as the cultural revolution.

Today, when China has done so much to prop up Pakistan, no Beijing leadership is stupid enough to let India bulldoze over it.

actually, Pakistan and PRC saw eye-to-eye during the cold war even.....communist USSR was no friend of China

 

[AMRITSAR]

That was during the phase of the Cold War when China and Pakistan were on opposite sides.

And China was in the middle of the undeclared civil war known as the cultural revolution.

Today, when China has done so much to prop up Pakistan, no Beijing leadership is stupid enough to let India bulldoze over it..... because we know China will be the next target

means enemies enemy friend

 

[SQ8]

Indeed, that is why you can see that Pakistan is not matching India weapon for weapon. But if you look closely at the Indian Armoured Core, you have to keep in mind that they have to split it in three if they decide to go for a war against Pakistan. They need to protect their flank against China, assign divisions for defence and the third force will be tasked for offensive operations against Pakistan. The numerical superiority will decrease as Pakistan can afford to direct all its Armoured Core towards the invading force not to mention the attrition the Indians will take once they take hits from well dug in ATMG threats.

The China flank Is being addressed, pretty soon IA Will have enough divisions to tackle both fronts separately.
ATGM's will not only hit IA mech.. India also has a large number of ATGM's that will hit PA mech.

PA knows this very well and that is why it has embarked on its modernization plans to deal with this threat. Well dug in Pakistani infantry armed with potent ATMG's, artillery and MLRS will make advance very costly for the invading Indian IBG's. PA is buying exactly the right weapons it needs to pin down IA's IBG's.

PA is not the only side fielding ATGM's.. IA too has large numbers of ATGM's.
Tank warfare will be a hazardous element... Currently only the T-90 has better potential to tackle the ATGM threat.

I would disagree with this point, IA did have a huge advantage when it was the only side fielding the Smerch, now A100 gives PA the liberty to destroy any bridge the IA throws up from a safe distance.

The bridge co-ordinates need to be known, and till that time these assets will also be open to attack.
They bring an advantage, but not superiority.

 

[Areesh]

Lets be fair man, in an all out war, Indian side and our side, WITHOUT external help, we cannot hold our lines for more than maximum 4 days.

I don't agree with you.

 

[Areesh]

Let's assume following situation of cold start doctrine...
Time line January 2016

the build up:

There is a massive terror attack on Indian soil by non state actors originating from pakistan. there is troop buildup similar to 26/11 and then in couple of months everything calms down in the media.

Cold start

Day 1:
22.30 - Brahmos / Nirbhay Missile strikes on forward radar installations, and forward aribases in eastern sector of pakistan.

22.45 hrs:

12 strike packages , each strike package consisting of 4 M2k , 2 MKI flying Air Interdicition config, 3 Mig29SMT and 4 Rafale's flying Air superiority hit target the following targets

PAF Mianwali
PAF Sargodha
Paf jacobabad
PAf mushaf
6th Armoured Division headquartered at Gujranwala
1st Armoured Division headquartered at Multan
12th Infantry Division headquartered at Murree
26th Mechanised Division headquartered at Bahawalpur
22nd Division headquartered at Sargodha

(render them temporarily non operational) (assume 80% objectives achieved according to plan )

4 IAF strike packages same configuration as above strike Pakistan navy preceded with missile attacks from forward deployed INS Delhi, INS Trishul and INS trikand.

4 Naval strike packages attack PN assets in sea in hunter killer formation, composed of 6 Mig 29 each

Indian navy begins forward deployment for its CBG

23.30 hrs:


First wave begins.

IBG combination (assume) Fast attack Light IBG
25 t90, 10 Arjun MBT, 15 IFV, 12 Support vehicle, 3 LCH/ALH/MI 35 forward control, 6 Pinaka batteries. 2 mig 29 cover for each light IBG. 1 battalion of infantry

18 light IBG squads break loc at rajasthan and punjab and gujrat sectors,


00.00 hrs Heavy Air interdiction mission
strike package combination : 4 jaguar 4 M2k bomber missions, 4 Su30 Multirole configuration, 3 Mig 29's flying air superiority mission.
16 strike packages clear ground resistance for light IBG's

00.30 heavy shelling across all available assets

01.15 hrs
Heavy IBG Configuration
35 T90/T72, 15 ArjunMBT, 30 IFV, 4 batteries of SA8, 8 tunguska, 3 LCH/ALH/Mi 35 Forward air control configuration, 10 Pinaka mlrs, (4 Mig 27 close air support and 4 Su 30 MKI dedicated air support for group of 4 heavy IBGS)

16 Heavy IBG's and another 8 light IBG's break LOC in punjab and rajhastan and gujrat sector, Heavy IBG's aim for control of forward PA targets, Light IBG's reinforce the first wave,

01.45 Hrs. Fire missions for Artillery and cruise missiles directed by forward IbG's at resistance.

02.00 First wave IBG"s hold ground with air cover.

02.30 hrs :
Second Strike mission begins after damage estimation of first IAF strike.
20 strike packages (strike package consisting of 4 M2k , 2 MKI flying Air Interdicition config, 3 Mig29SMT and 2 MKI flying Air superiority) forward air installation and armored divisions targeted.

03.10 8 Light IBG from second wave trailing first wave by 2 hrs reinforce 8 light IBG's in Punjab sector. In rajhasthan sector and gujrat sectors 8 IBGS of first wave join into 4 IBGS .

04.00 hrs 12 dual Light IBG's and 16 Heavy IBG's are in pakistani territory engaged with PA in 3 sectors at 28 different locations. 14 locations face very stiff resistance, 6 locations see lighter resistance and IA IBG's break through at 8 locations.

4.30 2 Armored divisions break through into pakitan in 8 groups, and 411 (Independent) Parachute Field Company (Bombay Sappers), 622 Parachute Composite Company ASC are air dropped into forward engagement areas.

5.00 3 Infantry divisions and 2 mountain division mount attack on kashmir sector.

5.30 Air interdiction Missions, Strike package, 4 mig 27 & 4 jaguar strike configuration, 2 rafale flying air superiority, 8 mig 21 air patrol.

6.00 Air Interdiction mission, Strike package, 3 m2k, 5 MKI strike configuration 6 rafale air superiority configuration, 3 Mig 29 SMT air patrol, 2 MKI dedicated electronic warfare configuration.



Assume such are the initial 7 hrs of cold start? what comes next?

Is this a joke. Lol. You have written the whole script of war considering that Pakistan won't respond to all these "attacks". They would keep watching Indians attacking there country and within seven hours cold start would be successfully implemented.

BR is seriously maiking you guys nuts. Govt of India should do something for it. It can't let a stupid forum pollute it's youth to such extent.

 

[Abhishek_]

I don't agree with you.

thank heavens the world doesnt revolve around your opinions, or we'd all be screwed