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Pakistan deserves whatever hell it is getting now for still being a democracy. If Pakistan had any brain, we would have gone the authoritarian route years ago like Iran, GCC, and Turkey which are 100x more stable than Pakistan has ever been. It is so easy for foreign powers to meddle in democracies it is insane. We could be like UAE and Singapore or we can have democracy. Not both. Nothing in Pakistan will ever be fixed until we have rulers for life, I have been saying this for years and people always laughed at me. Guess who's laughing now.

Frankly I have no sympathy for Imran Khan and his govt as he bought into his own lies and put his trust in democratic institutions which have empowered all the wrong forces and done more damage to this country than anything else. Democracy is the most effective way to weaken a country, something which IK clearly did not understand because he thought that if democracy works in the west, it will work here too. What a fool, he should have known better. This is the kind of bubble thinking you get when you elect an Oxford educated elite as PM. Nawaz Sharif may be corrupt but he is also shrewd and in a country like Pakistan, you cannot run the country effectively if you are more focused on the politics of optics than the politics of substance. Nawaz understood this better than anyone else and he understood that fear and intimidation is far more effective than making aspirational promises and then failing to deliver.

A country's leader reflects upon his people. A naive idealist like Imran Khan reflects deeply upon how naive and misguided Pakistanis themselves are about their own country. Pakistanis think that one man alone can save this country from the depths of evil, from succumbing to corruption and their anxieties in a sea of darkness. Let me tell you, nothing could be farther from the truth. Despite the government painting a nice picture, Pakistan is in a worse condition now than it has ever been. Pakistan has been given every opportunity to succeed and failed, people pinned their hopes on one man to save Pakistan alone, now the reality has shown how mismanaged Pakistan is from top to bottom.

Pakistan can connect China to the Gulf, we have the population to become an industrial powerhouse, we could join a trading bloc. Success in any one of these areas would radically transform the economic outlook of this country. But we have failed at all three. All of these are missed opportunities due to bureaucratic negligence resulting from a democratic system that emphasizes short term gains and handicaps long term strategizing. It is useless to even have a leader of a country if that leader has no power to do anything. Pakistanis blame their own insecurities on the government which has no power to change anything. We need an actual revolution in this country to have some real changes. Having PTI or opposition in power makes no difference in the actual position of Pakistan in the world and does nothing to improve people's lives. Pakistani politics is a game of small fish, the players never change and neither do the incentives. The opposition will throw out the government because they have the ability to do it.

Pakistanis are such fools that they will act surprised when this scenario was known as a possibility from day 1 which was never taken seriously as the youth of this country wanted to believe in the power of positive change which as a concept never existed outside of western capitals. The only change that ever comes in this country comes from bloodshed and violence. Somebody has to be executed or assassinated before any real change comes. Democratic institutions in this country are a myth propagated by Pakistani elites who clinically misunderstand the levers of power in a society of extortion mafias and kidnapping rackets.

Democracy has no place in Pakistan and neither should it. Pakistan is not in Europe. Pakistan is not in North America. Look around in our neighborhood. On one side is India which is a sworn enemy of Pakistan. Next to it is China which is the biggest enemy of America in the world. On the other side is Afghanistan, the most dangerous country in the world, and then there is Iran, which has been the target of the most brutal sanctions campaign in the world. There is absolutely no reason to have any kind of positive hope given the current circumstances. The world is a horrible place with people more evil than anyone can imagine. Countries in this world have to make a choice between invading others or getting invaded. There are no neutral countries in this world. When push comes to shove, there are countries who will stand by you and there are others who won't.

Countries like US and UK are an enemy even to their own people, let alone other countries. Countries that have faith in democracy because it succeeds in the west do not have a clear understanding of what success actually entails. Democracy in the US and UK has been a failure on every level, they are more divided than ever and have brought reckless policies for their own people who have suffered greatly from it. The world is a better place for those living in countries like China and Iran which have remained standing despite every single effort made by the west to demonize and destroy them. Ultimately, Pakistan is doomed to be on the wrong side of history as we have focused on the politics of optics to appease the democratic order rather than realizing that doing so will be signing our own death sentence. A democratic Pakistan is a weak Pakistan and nothing could be better for the west than for Pakistanis to weaken their own country.

Pressure campaigns by the democratic order to focus on religious persecution, women's rights, and fair elections, blackmail from FATF and IMF at every turn are meant to hurt Pakistan as much as possible when they themselves are at their most vulnerable point in history. These countries can never be pleased, they will always find something new to talk about in order to change the topic from their own decline. Strong authoritarian leadership that can see beyond all of these distractions is one thing Pakistan will never have under the current circumstances if we cannot see the big picture and move past these traps set up by the west. In 1979, Iranian people finally had enough of western meddling and threw the Shah out and replaced it with a much more independent IR that answers directly to the Iranian people only. It will take a revolution of similar scale in Pakistan to bring that kind of change here.

The problem in Pakistan was never corruption, the problem in Pakistan is a governance structure that is more focused on pleasing outside countries than answering to their own people. The Shah was more focused on having good relations with the west than with his own people. And you see the same thing in Pakistan today. The elite class of Pakistan have nothing in common with the working class other than the fact that they are both Pakistanis. Elite class in Pakistan feels they need to emulate the western model of success and idealize liberal values instead of creating their own path to success and creating their own values for Pakistanis to share. The result of this is people like Imran Khan getting into power who spent extensive time being nurtured in a bubble of western ideas returning to Pakistan and pushing for openness, transparency, eradication of corruption, mendacious promotion of democratic institutions, and climate agenda. Pakistanis don't relate to these ideas. People forget that the Shah was thrown out for imposing too many changes on society at once, if Imran Khan does the same, he will will be thrown out as well.

These ideas have no place in Pakistan where people have no food to eat. It is important to get the priorities right first. People trash Nawaz Sharif for giving biryani to his voters, guess what, some people have not had anything to eat for weeks and that biryani was the only thing they had to eat. When you have a democracy, voters vote for all the wrong incentives. Nobody is going to win because they gave biryani to their voters. Elections are won on bigger issues that affect the government more than they affect the people themselves. The elites that make up the government in many cases are not even educated in Pakistan but abroad and bring numerous harmful ideas back with them from Oxford and Harvard. Ultimately, it is thousands people of this milieu who have more connections abroad in London and New York than on the streets of Lahore and Karachi who run the government and give the seminal impression of an out of touch bureaucracy that has no connection with its people. But in the end, these things add up and they matter. Elites will always downplay the struggles of the working class because it is in their interest to do so. And it is not only elites, many working class people in Pakistan fall for this misguided thinking as well.

Pakistanis are so shallow that they can be fooled by a man's charming personality and good looks because he built one cancer hospital and became a cricket star but not see that the imminent danger of his future vision far outweighs any good that can come from that one cancer hospital. And likewise, people needlessly get scared when someone mentions corruption and don't bother to see what their actual long-term plan for the country is. The world is built on corruption, it is an ugly truth but its true. Nobody will do anything unless they are getting some benefit from it. China is ahead of America now because they embraced corruption to motivate people to do great things. There are more shady practices in China than anywhere else in the world. But that is what makes it so great, you can get away with things in China that would never be allowed anywhere else in the world. That is why even Americans built their factories in China, Beijing knew how to play the long game and they did. Now the world is waking up, but it is too late for them as China is on top now. In Iran, corruption is a way of life. Instead of getting scared by corruption like us, they embraced it and created the world's largest underground financial system which allowed Iranians to maintain a reasonable standard of living and successfully withstand the most brutal sanctions campaign in the world. 40 years later, Iran is still standing.

Meanwhile in Pakistan, we are struggling to see the big picture and focused on small and meaningless goals like anticorruption and terrorism instead of seeing the long game which requires us to forget about short term issues like corruption and answer questions to bigger and more uncomfortable issues like overpopulation, bad resource management, the disadvantages of a democratic system, the wicked judicial system, how to eliminate political enemies. All of these are issues that had to be addressed by China and Iran at some point in their history for them to reach the level of internal stability that they have today. When was the last time you saw Iran and China worrying about IMF, FATF, women's rights, free elections, religious persecution? Never. Because Iran and China don't answer to the west, they answer to their own people. Leaders like Xi Jinping and Khameini reflect the pragmatic and shrewd leadership that is necessary at a global level as well as being a reflection of the collective experience of people that have seen a civilization far longer than most countries have even existed. They are real world powers and that is why they keep the west awake at night. That is what real independence looks like. Azadi means nothing if your country is a client state where you are told how to think and what to believe. Azadi means fighting for the right to think for yourself and to act for yourself.

Pakistan is a democracy??

Bughz Imran thread to ease their inner pain.

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Pmln govt already admitted in number of occasions that they destroyed the country.

Latest mifta ismail said its not possible to lower down inflation

Besides Inflation what PTI havent done?

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Bill passed by PTI govt

List of bill passed by PTI

1. The Anti-Rape (Investigation and Trial) Bill, 2021



2. The Criminal Laws (Amendment) Bill, 2021



3. The Islamabad Capital Territory Charities Registration, Regulation and Facilitation Bill, 2021



4. The SBP Banking Services Corporation (Amendment) 8ill, 2021



5. The National College of Arts Institute Bill, 2021



6. The Muslim Family Laws (Amendment) Bill 2021 (amendment in Section 4)



7. The Muslim Family Laws (Amendment) Bill 2021 (amendment in section 7)



8. The Hyderabad Institute for Technical and Management Sciences Bill, 2021



9. The Islamabad Rent Restriction (Amendment) Bill, 2021



10. The Corporate Restructuring Companies (Amendment) Bill, 2021



11. The Financial Institutions (Secured Transactions) (Amendment) Bill, 2021



12. The Federal Public Service Commission (validation of Rules) Bill, 2021



13. The University of Islamabad Bill, 2021



14. The Loans for Agricultural, Commercial and Industrial Purposes (Amendment) Bill, 2021



15. The Companies (Amendment) Bill, 2021



16. The National Vocational and Technical Training Commission (Amendment) Bill, 2021



17. The Pakistan Academy of Letters (Amendment) Bill, 2021



18. The Port Qasim Authority (Amendment) Bill, 2021



19. The Pakistan National Shipping Corporation (Amendment) Bill,2021



20. The Gwadar Port Authority (Amendment) Bill, 2021



21. The Maritime Security Agency (Amendment) Bill, 2021



22. The Emigration (Amendment) Bill, 2021



23. The Privatization Commission (Amendment) Bill,2021



24. The COVID-19 (Prevention of Hoarding) Bill, 2021



25. The Al-Karm International Institute Bill, 2021



26. The Islamabad Capital Territory Prohibition of Corporal Punishment Bill, 2021



27. Unani, Ayurvedic and Homoeopathic Practitioners Act



28. The Prevention of Corruption (Amendment) Bill



29. The Provincial Motor Vehicle (Amendment) Bill



30. The Regulation of Generation, Transmission and Distribution of Electric Power (Amendment) Bill, 2021



31. The Islamabad Capital Territory Food Safety Bill, 2021



32. Elections (Second Amendment) Bill, 2021



33. International Court of Justice ICJ (Review and Reconsideration) Bill, 2020


- Exports record high
-Remittance record high
-Family health card 10 lacs
-Kraken penalty $1.5 billion saving
- Rekodiq penalty $10 billion saving
-Ehsaas programs

lots of other things i havent included.

This nation is thankless because in this nation we have people like OP. Simple is that

Allah ka khauf karo bhai

Qabar bi Jana hai
 
Best way is probably contact your representatives and tell them how you expect them to vote on the no-confidence motion.
What if you live overseas? How can overseas Pakistanis help imran khan?
 
Before it was corrupt politicians robbing the poor , now it is the IMF robbing the poor thanks to IK and his poodles. They had a chance to making a difference but instead chose the easiest way out "screw the poor even more".
That is a lazy answer. Who was going to bridge the gap in our trade deficit left behind by the previous government? IK himself went to KSA/UAE/China to get loans so IMF could have been avoided. At one point in time, those taps were also shut.

So IMF was destined to continue its program in Pakistan.

As far as "screwing the poor" goes, is anyone willing to pay the taxes owed so we don't take the IMF recourse? How can ANY government make a difference when they owe money and don't have enough to spend on social welfare?
 
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Pakistan is a democracy??



Allah ka khauf karo bhai

Qabar bi Jana hai
Har insaan ko apni qabar jana hie ais liye tum apni qabar ka soucho aur bughz na rakho
 
Har insaan ko apni qabar jana hie ais liye tum apni qabar ka soucho aur bughz na rakho

To pir itna jhoot kyu?

Sach bolnay sy allergy hai?
 
Pakistan deserves whatever hell it is getting now for still being a democracy. If Pakistan had any brain, we would have gone the authoritarian route years ago like Iran, GCC, and Turkey which are 100x more stable than Pakistan has ever been. It is so easy for foreign powers to meddle in democracies it is insane. We could be like UAE and Singapore or we can have democracy. Not both. Nothing in Pakistan will ever be fixed until we have rulers for life, I have been saying this for years and people always laughed at me. Guess who's laughing now.

Frankly I have no sympathy for Imran Khan and his govt as he bought into his own lies and put his trust in democratic institutions which have empowered all the wrong forces and done more damage to this country than anything else. Democracy is the most effective way to weaken a country, something which IK clearly did not understand because he thought that if democracy works in the west, it will work here too. What a fool, he should have known better. This is the kind of bubble thinking you get when you elect an Oxford educated elite as PM. Nawaz Sharif may be corrupt but he is also shrewd and in a country like Pakistan, you cannot run the country effectively if you are more focused on the politics of optics than the politics of substance. Nawaz understood this better than anyone else and he understood that fear and intimidation is far more effective than making aspirational promises and then failing to deliver.

A country's leader reflects upon his people. A naive idealist like Imran Khan reflects deeply upon how naive and misguided Pakistanis themselves are about their own country. Pakistanis think that one man alone can save this country from the depths of evil, from succumbing to corruption and their anxieties in a sea of darkness. Let me tell you, nothing could be farther from the truth. Despite the government painting a nice picture, Pakistan is in a worse condition now than it has ever been. Pakistan has been given every opportunity to succeed and failed, people pinned their hopes on one man to save Pakistan alone, now the reality has shown how mismanaged Pakistan is from top to bottom.

Pakistan can connect China to the Gulf, we have the population to become an industrial powerhouse, we could join a trading bloc. Success in any one of these areas would radically transform the economic outlook of this country. But we have failed at all three. All of these are missed opportunities due to bureaucratic negligence resulting from a democratic system that emphasizes short term gains and handicaps long term strategizing. It is useless to even have a leader of a country if that leader has no power to do anything. Pakistanis blame their own insecurities on the government which has no power to change anything. We need an actual revolution in this country to have some real changes. Having PTI or opposition in power makes no difference in the actual position of Pakistan in the world and does nothing to improve people's lives. Pakistani politics is a game of small fish, the players never change and neither do the incentives. The opposition will throw out the government because they have the ability to do it.

Pakistanis are such fools that they will act surprised when this scenario was known as a possibility from day 1 which was never taken seriously as the youth of this country wanted to believe in the power of positive change which as a concept never existed outside of western capitals. The only change that ever comes in this country comes from bloodshed and violence. Somebody has to be executed or assassinated before any real change comes. Democratic institutions in this country are a myth propagated by Pakistani elites who clinically misunderstand the levers of power in a society of extortion mafias and kidnapping rackets.

Democracy has no place in Pakistan and neither should it. Pakistan is not in Europe. Pakistan is not in North America. Look around in our neighborhood. On one side is India which is a sworn enemy of Pakistan. Next to it is China which is the biggest enemy of America in the world. On the other side is Afghanistan, the most dangerous country in the world, and then there is Iran, which has been the target of the most brutal sanctions campaign in the world. There is absolutely no reason to have any kind of positive hope given the current circumstances. The world is a horrible place with people more evil than anyone can imagine. Countries in this world have to make a choice between invading others or getting invaded. There are no neutral countries in this world. When push comes to shove, there are countries who will stand by you and there are others who won't.

Countries like US and UK are an enemy even to their own people, let alone other countries. Countries that have faith in democracy because it succeeds in the west do not have a clear understanding of what success actually entails. Democracy in the US and UK has been a failure on every level, they are more divided than ever and have brought reckless policies for their own people who have suffered greatly from it. The world is a better place for those living in countries like China and Iran which have remained standing despite every single effort made by the west to demonize and destroy them. Ultimately, Pakistan is doomed to be on the wrong side of history as we have focused on the politics of optics to appease the democratic order rather than realizing that doing so will be signing our own death sentence. A democratic Pakistan is a weak Pakistan and nothing could be better for the west than for Pakistanis to weaken their own country.

Pressure campaigns by the democratic order to focus on religious persecution, women's rights, and fair elections, blackmail from FATF and IMF at every turn are meant to hurt Pakistan as much as possible when they themselves are at their most vulnerable point in history. These countries can never be pleased, they will always find something new to talk about in order to change the topic from their own decline. Strong authoritarian leadership that can see beyond all of these distractions is one thing Pakistan will never have under the current circumstances if we cannot see the big picture and move past these traps set up by the west. In 1979, Iranian people finally had enough of western meddling and threw the Shah out and replaced it with a much more independent IR that answers directly to the Iranian people only. It will take a revolution of similar scale in Pakistan to bring that kind of change here.

The problem in Pakistan was never corruption, the problem in Pakistan is a governance structure that is more focused on pleasing outside countries than answering to their own people. The Shah was more focused on having good relations with the west than with his own people. And you see the same thing in Pakistan today. The elite class of Pakistan have nothing in common with the working class other than the fact that they are both Pakistanis. Elite class in Pakistan feels they need to emulate the western model of success and idealize liberal values instead of creating their own path to success and creating their own values for Pakistanis to share. The result of this is people like Imran Khan getting into power who spent extensive time being nurtured in a bubble of western ideas returning to Pakistan and pushing for openness, transparency, eradication of corruption, mendacious promotion of democratic institutions, and climate agenda. Pakistanis don't relate to these ideas. People forget that the Shah was thrown out for imposing too many changes on society at once, if Imran Khan does the same, he will will be thrown out as well.

These ideas have no place in Pakistan where people have no food to eat. It is important to get the priorities right first. People trash Nawaz Sharif for giving biryani to his voters, guess what, some people have not had anything to eat for weeks and that biryani was the only thing they had to eat. When you have a democracy, voters vote for all the wrong incentives. Nobody is going to win because they gave biryani to their voters. Elections are won on bigger issues that affect the government more than they affect the people themselves. The elites that make up the government in many cases are not even educated in Pakistan but abroad and bring numerous harmful ideas back with them from Oxford and Harvard. Ultimately, it is thousands people of this milieu who have more connections abroad in London and New York than on the streets of Lahore and Karachi who run the government and give the seminal impression of an out of touch bureaucracy that has no connection with its people. But in the end, these things add up and they matter. Elites will always downplay the struggles of the working class because it is in their interest to do so. And it is not only elites, many working class people in Pakistan fall for this misguided thinking as well.

Pakistanis are so shallow that they can be fooled by a man's charming personality and good looks because he built one cancer hospital and became a cricket star but not see that the imminent danger of his future vision far outweighs any good that can come from that one cancer hospital. And likewise, people needlessly get scared when someone mentions corruption and don't bother to see what their actual long-term plan for the country is. The world is built on corruption, it is an ugly truth but its true. Nobody will do anything unless they are getting some benefit from it. China is ahead of America now because they embraced corruption to motivate people to do great things. There are more shady practices in China than anywhere else in the world. But that is what makes it so great, you can get away with things in China that would never be allowed anywhere else in the world. That is why even Americans built their factories in China, Beijing knew how to play the long game and they did. Now the world is waking up, but it is too late for them as China is on top now. In Iran, corruption is a way of life. Instead of getting scared by corruption like us, they embraced it and created the world's largest underground financial system which allowed Iranians to maintain a reasonable standard of living and successfully withstand the most brutal sanctions campaign in the world. 40 years later, Iran is still standing.

Meanwhile in Pakistan, we are struggling to see the big picture and focused on small and meaningless goals like anticorruption and terrorism instead of seeing the long game which requires us to forget about short term issues like corruption and answer questions to bigger and more uncomfortable issues like overpopulation, bad resource management, the disadvantages of a democratic system, the wicked judicial system, how to eliminate political enemies. All of these are issues that had to be addressed by China and Iran at some point in their history for them to reach the level of internal stability that they have today. When was the last time you saw Iran and China worrying about IMF, FATF, women's rights, free elections, religious persecution? Never. Because Iran and China don't answer to the west, they answer to their own people. Leaders like Xi Jinping and Khameini reflect the pragmatic and shrewd leadership that is necessary at a global level as well as being a reflection of the collective experience of people that have seen a civilization far longer than most countries have even existed. They are real world powers and that is why they keep the west awake at night. That is what real independence looks like. Azadi means nothing if your country is a client state where you are told how to think and what to believe. Azadi means fighting for the right to think for yourself and to act for yourself.

Kudos, very well said.
 
Advice for PTI

Not every match you can win
Not ever match is the last match
Learn from mistakes and prepare to come back later in positive way
 
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