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How russia managed to push the US out of central asia.

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February 6, 2009: Kyrgyzstan has ordered the U.S. to leave the Manas air base it has been using (to support operations in Afghanistan) for the last seven years. This came about after Russia made a financial offer that Kyrgyzstan could not refuse. Russia has never been happy with U.S. aircraft operating in a Kyrgyz (former Soviet, actually) airbase. But Kyrgyzstan successfully played the old Cold War aid game, where some third country that both the U.S. and Russia wanted something from, would basically hold an auction to determine which superpower would get their way. Russia is no longer a superpower, but it does remember how to conduct itself in one of these auctions.
Russia's winning offer consisted of forgiving $180 million in debt, giving an interest free loan of $150 million (these usually don't get paid back) and a real loan worth $2 billion. Three years ago Kyrgyzstan tried to get the U.S. to increase payments for use of the 2,500 acre Manas air base, from $5 million, to $50 million a year. Local politicians had already developed a feeding frenzy around the rich Americans. The U.S. offered more money, but not nearly as much as the Russians eventually offered

Russian efforts to get the U.S. out of Kyrgyzstan were interrupted four years ago when the then leader of Kyrgyzstan, pro-Russian president Askar Akayev, was driven out of power by mass demonstrations protesting government attempts to rig recent parliamentary elections. The opposition had seized the commercial airport outside the capital, where it was believed that a Russian airliner was waiting there to take Akayev and his family into exile. Akayev later showed up in neighboring Kazakhstan. The new leader of Kyrgyzstan, Kurmanbek Bakiyev, took a while to get to, and forced the Russians to pay a high price to get a few dozen U.S. and NATO aircraft out of Manas airbase.

Russia considers the Central Asian nations, that used to be provinces of the Soviet Union, as more than just neighbors. But these five countries are all run, as dictatorships, by former Soviet bureaucrats. This arrangement is not popular with most Central Asians, and Kyrgyzstan had the most vocal population protesting the lack of democracy. Russia, learning from the beating it took in Ukraine, where it backed a dictator in the face of a popular democratic uprising, did not speak up for Akayev, and promptly tried to get cozy with a new government in Kyrgyzstan. The opposition that overthrew Akayev did not contain a lot of Islamic radicals (who believe the country should be run as an Islamic state). The Kyrgyz democrats see Islamic radicalism as a hostile force, and were willing to continue cooperation between Russia and Kyrgyzstan against Islamic terrorists. However, many Russians believe that the United States is behind the ouster of Akayev, via pro-democratic NGOs and American business investments in Kyrgyzstan.

Ultimately, however, Kyrgyzstan sold out to the Russians because they desperately needed the money. Kyrgyzstan is a poor country, and the current global recession is making things worse. Meanwhile, Russia is still eager to have American and NATO cargo get shipped via Russia to Afghanistan. This is a money maker for Russia, which gets prime rates for moving these cargo containers. The U.S. believes it can convince Kyrgyzstan and Russia to let American continue to use Manas to some extent. Money will no doubt change hands. There might even be cheers.



Murphy's Law: Cold War Nostalgia Comes Alive
 
It feels cold war started from south to central Asia and Russian were waiting for that time. Why Afghanistan is so important for both US and Russia, still mystery. Even economically deteriorating US is not ready to back down from Afghanistan. Russian are doing their best to cut all US routes for survival.
I see Russian bear WANT's to wake up and re-emerge on world power theater.
 
It feels cold war started from south to central Asia and Russian were waiting for that time. Why Afghanistan is so important for both US and Russia, still mystery. Even economically deteriorating US is not ready to back down from Afghanistan. Russian are doing their best to cut all US routes for survival.
I see Russian bear WANT's to wake up and re-emerge on world power theater.

sir the russian gameplan is even more subtle while they are closing the air base just today they announced that nato and the US can supply non-combat aids to afganistan through russian territory.
infact they are trying to make the us more dependent on them before choking them out.

thanx
 
Russia is bringing back old Soviet satellites back into its sphere of influence.

I believe this is where China and Russia can cooperate, by blocking NATO expansionism and making the world more multi-polar.
 
I know it is too much to expect from the dirt bags that occupy our government, but is there any chance we can up our rates about 50 % or more to teach the US a lesson in humility.
Araz
 
I know it is too much to expect from the dirt bags that occupy our government, but is there any chance we can up our rates about 50 % or more to teach the US a lesson in humility.
Araz

their logistics get blown up every day so i dont think it will be wise askin them to pay us 50% more than wat they are payin now. and i would say let their logistics get blown up. its in the interest of pakistan to not let US settle in afghanistan coz otherwise we will loose balochistan. i hope ISI knows that and is also workin towards it ;)
 
their logistics get blown up every day so i dont think it will be wise askin them to pay us 50% more than wat they are payin now. and i would say let their logistics get blown up. its in the interest of pakistan to not let US settle in afghanistan coz otherwise we will loose balochistan. i hope ISI knows that and is also workin towards it ;)

I have a strong suspicion that you are right. However, the results for PAkistan in the long run are also going to be unsatisfactory.
WaSalam
Araz
 
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