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Arsalan

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i have to come up with this thread after i went through posts regarding US plans to take out our neuclear assets in cae Taliban take over the country. i could have posted it there but the reason for starting a new thread was because a take the issue to be a rel sensitive one and want us to have a view of how venuerable we actually are and not about the plans of our enemies and even so called allies!!

For Mods: please let the thread keep going as it wont be a long debate, once we are done with it then we may merge it with the one mentioned earlier if you take it to be more appropiate.
Thankyou,
 
well as a matter of fact there are so many nuts who talk about US comming in pakistan and taking over our nukes like it is similar to taking charege of a private firm,,
for the best part of our nuke storage security, the US do not even have an idea where they are stored..
 
i may come up with some points for which i wont be able to present a refrence as these news reports never surfaced. however those who have some links can confirm them form there sources,
 
the story began somewhere in 2004 when we all listened about this crap of pakistani Neuclear assets under threat of Taliban and USS willing to take them out in any such case. then pak Gov was warned by the US about such plans of taliban and they asked us to shift these warheads to a safe place. many people who were in touch with current affairs at that time must know this part of the tale. what is not known to many is that this was all done as US wanted to pin-point our storage sites. they didnt have any idea about it and came up with a plane that when PA will shift them they can easily be traced while doing so via spy satellites. the ISI thankfull unfolded the plane, if not knowingly but still as a precaution. the nukes were shifted to new storage sites already under construction but under cover that US didnt spotted it.
well this may seem to be like a mission impossibe movie to many who wont like to beleive but i trust my source who was a key part of the team supposed to shift them to the new site...
moreover, dont forget that it is US who have made the Mission Impossible and really tend to come up with such plans!!

regards!
 
as for the new storage sites, they are build deep underground at a place not known to all!
it was the organization in which my father works who was tasked to make gates for these storage tunnels. i have already described there specs to the limit i am supposed to. just for a review, they are strong enough to bear a direct hit by the heaviest payload in presence. moreover the security arrangment is such that these men are taken to the site in blinded cars. the gates are not fully assembles at factory as it will cause suspision when there will be transported for this reason they are taken in common vehical which no one can fighre out and are to be assmbled at site.
now many here will get furious that i have leaked something really secret but beleive me guys, it is nothing that i have told you from what i kno. and what i know is nothing in fornt of what actually it is,,,

regards!
 
for the taliban issue, what do they have to say about the recent succes of PA in war against them. what US have not been avle to acheive with there next generation weapon systems in afghanistn PA have done withh there morale and local support!! despit the assistance of some major international powers, that as a matter of fact, were paired with talibans and not with pakistan!

regards!
 
moreover rather then being concerned with our nukes, why not US take a look at there own follies. we all know about the event in which the US planes carried nukes without knowledege that they wee carrying them. at least Pakistan have no such blot on there track record!!

regards!
 
nukes over america,,, a stupid mistake

The Air Force’s Friday report on the August 29-30 nuclear weapons incident which saw six armed cruise missiles flown across the continental US in launch position on a B-52H bomber leaves all the big questions unanswered, attempting to shuck the whole thing off as an “unacceptable mistake.”

To be sure, Air Force Secretary Michael W. Wynne and Air Force Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations Maj. Gen. Richard Newton, said that after a six-week investigation, five officers, including Col. Bruce Emig, commander of the Fifth Bomb Group at Minot AFB in North Dakota, where the flight originated, have been relieved of duty, and 65 other Air Force personnel were also removed from their duties, and both Barksdale and Minot were decertified for their strategic nuclear responsibilities. But that’s still pretty small beer for an incident so serious it’s never happened before in half a century of nuclear weapons handling.

There are, at this point, no court martials being contemplated, and nobody’s been discharged from the military.

Put simply, six 150-kiloton warheads were improperly attached to six Advanced Cruise Missiles, all loaded onto a wing launch pod, and then mounted on the wing of a B-52 H Stratofortress at Minot, along with six similar missiles with dummy warheads, which were loaded onto a launch pod on the plane’s other wing, an all 12 were improperly and illegally flown across the country to Barksdale AFB in Louisiana.

The Air Force, following its “investigation,” is saying the same thing it said before the investigation: it was all a big “mistake”—the result of “widespread disregard for the rules” regarding handling of nuclear weapons.

A few guys at Minot “inexplicably” screwed up and loaded the nukes and then there were a chain of mistakes because no one else treated the nuclear-tipped missiles as if they were armed with nuclear weapons.

The trouble with this theory, or story line if you will, is that while nobody at Minot, supposedly, noticed what was happening—even though ground crew workers spent eight hours laboring to get the pod with the six nuke-tipped missiles mounted on the plane’s wing. This despite the warheads are clearly visible and identifiable by the silver coating they exhibit when viewed through a little window in each nosecone cover, and because there are red coverings on the nuke nosecones—once the plane got to Barksdale, the ground crew there, which had no reason on earth to suspect it was looking at nuclear warheads, spotted them immediately upon going to the plane.
They had no reason to expect nukes because for 40 years it has been illegal for the military to carry nuclear weapons on bombers over US territory, and indeed since 1991, it has been illegal to even load nuclear weapons on a plane, period, even for training purposes on the ground.

How can it be that Air Force ground crew people at Barksdale could spot the nukes in a flash while nobody at Minot—not the workers who mounted the warheads on the missiles in the heavily guarded bunker, not the guards who are supposed to guard those weapons with their lives and prevent any unauthorized removal from the bunkers, not the ground crew that loaded them onto the plan, and not the pilot and crew of the bomber, who are supposed to check every missile before they take off—noticed they were nuclear warheads? (The weapons went unnoticed for 10 hours in Barksdale, but that’s only because no groundcrew visited the plane for that long, but when they did go to it, they reportedly spotted the nukes right off the bat.)

The Air Force, at a press conference announcing the results of its investigation, didn’t answer this question. It appears they reporters at the session didn’t ask it either.

Certainly the AP reporter didn’t ask it, because if she had, she would surely have included the Air Force’s answer, or it’s non-answer, in her story.

Nobody, apparently, asked the Air Force either about six mysterious violent deaths of Air Force personnel from Minot and Barksdale, and from a mysterious Air Force Special Commando Group, all of which occurred in the days and weeks immediately before, during and after the incident. Two of those deaths—of the Special Commando Group officer and of a Minot weapons guard—were reportedly “suicides.”

In an article in the current issue of American Conservative magazine, currently on newsstands, I report that incredibly, no federal investigators from the Pentagon or the federal government even bothered to contact the police investigators or medical examiners who investigated those six deaths—an remarkable failure of due diligence, given the seriousness of this incident.

One retired Navy officer who contacted me during my investigation, who worked in electronic warfare, told me it would be simply impossible for those weapons to have been moved out of the storage bunker. He claims to know for a certainty that all nuclear weapons in the US arsenal are equipped with high-tech tags (“like they have at WalMart and Kmart only better”) that would instantly trigger alarms when the weapons are moved, unless they were deliberately disarmed.

So what we have is pretty clearly a cover-up here.

A cover-up of what though?

Here we’re into speculation.

One thing we need to keep in mind is that Barksdale AFB, on its website, advertises itself proudly as the base that prepares B-52s for duty in the Middle East Theater.

Another thing we need to keep in mind is that Vice President Dick Cheney is trying hard to gin up a war against Iran, against the better judgment of top military leaders and Defense Secretary Robert Gates.

And a third thing to remember is that these particular six warheads, called M80-1 warheads, are able to be adjusted to have a power of anywhere from 150 kilotons down to just 5 kilotons—a so-called “tactical” size.

Perfect for a tactical strike on an Iranian nuclear processing or research site, or for a “false flag” type attack that could be blamed on a fledgling nuclear power…like Iran.

Of course this is all speculation.

What we do know is that for 36 hours, six nuclear warheads went missing. Nobody at the Pentagon in authority knew they were gone or where they were. And when they were discovered, the initial Pentagon response was to cover it all up. The only reason we know about this incident is that three Air Force officers became whistle-blowers and contacted a reporter at Military Times, a private newspaper trusted by and popular with the rank-and-file military.

And what we know is that this couldn’t have been what the Air Force, six weeks and one “investigation” late, is calling a “mistake.”

Dave Lindorff is a Philadelphia-based investigative journalist and columnist. His latest book, co-authored by Barbara Olshansky, is “The Case for Impeachment” (St. Martin’s Press, 2006 and now out in paperback). His work is available at This Can't Be Happening! | This Can't Be Happening!


Global Research Articles by Dave Lindorff

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Nukes Over America: Just a Stupid Mistake. Sure It Is
nukes over america,,, a stupid mistake
well this was just a mistake and what we havent done so far is what we are deleberately trying to do :lol:
this is nothing but :hitwall:

regards
 
To start with, they know exactly where the nukes are.
Tis comes form someone who happens to know a lot
of info not available to public.

The problem still remains as to how exactly they plan on accomplishing the "snatch"? Realisticilly speaking..................... can they just go in there, fight 500K regular army, police, rangers, the reserves & the 175 mil. population?

US/Israel/India have plans in place but they are un-realistic.
Bottom line: dont lose sleep over it. It just makes for a nice story on F*** News etc, that is all..... The idea was initially put forth by Mansoor Ijaz, the ahmadi dude whose dad was a scientist in Pakistan.
 
To start with, they know exactly where the nukes are.
Tis comes form someone who happens to know a lot
of info not available to public.

The problem still remains as to how exactly they plan on accomplishing the "snatch"? Realisticilly speaking..................... can they just go in there, fight 500K regular army, police, rangers, the reserves & the 175 mil. population?

US/Israel/India have plans in place but they are un-realistic.
Bottom line: dont lose sleep over it. It just makes for a nice story on F*** News etc, that is all..... The idea was initially put forth by Mansoor Ijaz, the ahmadi dude whose dad was a scientist in Pakistan.

thats it,:smitten: we may differ on the first ppoint but stil is there anyone who beleive that even if they come to know about the locations they can just walk in, knock at the door and ask PA to hand ober the nukes,,:lol:

well however, you might have taken the my first post on a funny note but that is what i know and as i said, i do trust the source. i cannot claim that have they spotted them after that event but all i stated is what i have been told by a person from inside,, :agree:
still as i said, this is not all that i know and what i know is by no means what thet actually are,,

Bottom line: dont lose sleep over it. It just makes for a nice story on F*** News etc, that is all..... The idea was initially put forth by Mansoor Ijaz, the ahmadi dude whose dad was a scientist in Pakistan. :agree: :tup: :smitten:

regards!
 


thats it,:smitten: we may differ on the first ppoint but stil is there anyone who beleive that even if they come to know about the locations they can just walk in, knock at the door and ask PA to hand ober the nukes,,:lol:

well however, you might have taken the my first post on a funny note but that is what i know and as i said, i do trust the source. i cannot claim that have they spotted them after that event but all i stated is what i have been told by a person from inside,, :agree:
still as i said, this is not all that i know and what i know is by no means what thet actually are,,

Bottom line: dont lose sleep over it. It just makes for a nice story on F*** News etc, that is all..... The idea was initially put forth by Mansoor Ijaz, the ahmadi dude whose dad was a scientist in Pakistan. :agree: :tup: :smitten:

regards!
Thanks for the response..............
You have any doubt that PPP Govt will not give uncle ji any info they ask for ???? Do not underestimate Zardari & co" Including the Army Chief". I cannot say anything beyond this.
 
This scenario of US attacking Pak nukes is not going to happen. US might have an agenda of peacefully securing all of Pak nukes. But it seems almost infeasible to me. I don't believe US is aggressively pursuing this agenda, for now, they may be prep'ing it, however.

One must note that there is no use to take out all Pak nukes by attacking, since China will provide Pak with nukes if they need (in a scenario all Pak nukes are taken by FORCE, which is not going to happen). If Pak nukes are attacked, the fall out is so dangerous nobody of Pak foes in their right mind would even think about such a scenario.

Pak is safe, Pak nukes are safe. provided Pak army is preserved as a whole. Anybody whose evil wish to touch Pak, they will HAVE to start with Pak army.
 

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