How many F-16s?

[Kaiser]

How many F-16s does Pakistan really need. Pakistan should go for 75 of the current ones along with 77MLU. Upgrade all the F-16's in Pakistan's current inventory to MLU and buy about 50 F-16's from Turkey and Egypt and upgrade to MLU standard and lastly buy 30 F-16 Block 60 from UAE.

 

[Kaiser]

Which versions do you think is needed.Personlay I think pakistan needs 75 f-16 block 50,100 mlu's, and 25 block 60's.

 

[EagleEyes]

Originally posted by Kaiser@Oct 22 2005, 06:28 PM
Which versions do you think is needed.Personlay I think pakistan needs 75 f-16 block 50,100 mlu's, and 25 block 60's.

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It wouldn't be a bad idea.

Pakistan "is" getting 77 F-16s in which 2 are arriving this december, and those 2 are price free. About 100 F-16s with MLU standard would be a good idea, as it would increase our fleet significantly and will provide as much support as 77 F-16s would be.

I believe the 100 F-16s with MLU standard that we migh acquire will have about an exact cost as 77 F-16s would be. So believe it or not new fighters will provide better performance and will decrease the chances of future crashes despite PAF record of no F-16 crashed in more than 10 years.

25 F-16s Block 60 would be a good and better choice if they be combined with 77 of new F-16s. This way we will still have a chance of acquiring J-10 or Gripen.

Suppose if we bought Gripen, we will be adding a new platform that will sure be costly be its advantages are far a lot then buying 25 Block 60s. We will be getting a set of advanced weaponry that we never experience/used before.

Not just that Gripen will bought data linking system, because if Gripen gets approved Erieye will be a peice of cake that will be needed to approve from a store, and PAF will most likely go for it.

 

[Best of the Best]

Originally posted by Ahsan Farooqui@Oct 23 2005, 05:01 AM
It wouldn't be a bad idea.

Pakistan "is" getting 77 F-16s in which 2 are arriving this december, and those 2 are price free. About 100 F-16s with MLU standard would be a good idea, as it would increase our fleet significantly and will provide as much support as 77 F-16s would be.

I believe the 100 F-16s with MLU standard that we migh acquire will have about an exact cost as 77 F-16s would be. So believe it or not new fighters will provide better performance and will decrease the chances of future crashes despite PAF record of no F-16 crashed in more than 10 years.

25 F-16s Block 60 would be a good and better choice if they be combined with 77 of new F-16s. This way we will still have a chance of acquiring J-10 or Gripen.

Suppose if we bought Gripen, we will be adding a new platform that will sure be costly be its advantages are far a lot then buying 25 Block 60s. We will be getting a set of advanced weaponry that we never experience/used before.

Not just that Gripen will bought data linking system, because if Gripen gets approved Erieye will be a peice of cake that will be needed to approve from a store, and PAF will most likely go for it.

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Ahsan Farooqui my good friend with all due respect we are buying F-16's not candies from a store that you are saying buy
100 MLU's 77 new block50's and 25 block 60's to say something like this is very childish PAF wants commanility between its F-16's fleet meaing if it goes for a mix (buying old and new F-16's) it would either go for a fleet of old F-16's with MLU upgarde and new Block50 or 52+
i mean what ever it wants or either with F-16 MLU or brand new F-16 block60's but the thing is PAF would mostly likely buy F-16 with MLU upgarde and new F-16 block50 bcoz as you know F-16 block60 is to expenisve to buy at 80 million doller's per copy the APG 80 AESA rader of the block60 alone costs something between 20 to 30 million $$$$$

 

[EagleEyes]

Best of the Best,

My over view was only if we dont plan to acquire any other other 4th generation aircraft, thats why my number were relatively high than we ordered.

When you said that PAF wants to go with a mix fleet, then why can't Block 60 come in the deal, and i dont think it will cost us $80 a piece, even Super Hornet wouldn't cost that much to India i believe.

My plan is, if there is no fighter out there that we can buy than going for only F-16s is a very good idea. Get some old F-16s with a standard of MLU (MLU standard is a good way to get Block 40s to 50s, we can get much cheaper one than buying the new ones, this was also stated bly Topgun, that he would rather go for MLU standard than wasting on new F-16s, and with that money we save we go for another 4th generation fighter in the future.)

Here how i would plan:

100 F-16s MLU
40-50 F-16 Block 50
20-22 Block 60

Note: this what i would consider if we DONOT need another 4th generation fighter, if we do! then we must cut Block 60 in my wish list and decrease the amount of upgraded F-16s a.k.a MLU ones.

 

[Owais]

Here how i would plan:

100 F-16s MLU
40-50 F-16 Block 50
20-22 Block 60

But that huge quantity will be too costly! :o

1MLU=$30million
100MLU=$3billion
1F-16blk50=$45million
50F-16blk50=$2.25Billoin
1F-16blk60=$60million
20F-16blk60=$1.2billion

so,
according to your figure!
$3bill+$2.25billion+$1.2billion=$6.45billons!

thats' why PAF is seeking to make JF-17=F-16 in order to save a lot of money! :youknowme:

 

[EagleEyes]

I dont think its $30 million a piece, its around 25-27, but it is still too costly.

Please read this link: http://home.wanadoo.nl/tcc/rnlaf/mlu_back.html

Its a really good link, goes over the price of MLU and advantages vs disadvantages.

 

[Owais]

30million USD with weapon suite!

 

[Best of the Best]

Originally posted by Ahsan Farooqui@Oct 25 2005, 06:48 PM
Best of the Best,

My over view was only if we dont plan to acquire any other other 4th generation aircraft, thats why my number were relatively high than we ordered.

When you said that PAF wants to go with a mix fleet, then why can't Block 60 come in the deal, and i dont think it will cost us $80 a piece, even Super Hornet wouldn't cost that much to India i believe.

My plan is, if there is no fighter out there that we can buy than going for only F-16s is a very good idea. Get some old F-16s with a standard of MLU (MLU standard is a good way to get Block 40s to 50s, we can get much cheaper one than buying the new ones, this was also stated bly Topgun, that he would rather go for MLU standard than wasting on new F-16s, and with that money we save we go for another 4th generation fighter in the future.)

Here how i would plan:

100 F-16s MLU
40-50 F-16 Block 50
20-22 Block 60

Note: this what i would consider if we DONOT need another 4th generation fighter, if we do! then we must cut Block 60 in my wish list and decrease the amount of upgraded F-16s a.k.a MLU ones.

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Ahsan Farooqui only if it was that easy F-16block60 is very different from a regular F-16block 50 they do share almost the same airframe but what makes F-16 block 60 a killer machine is its electronics and avionics it has the most advance AESA rader in it the APG 80 it has the most killer ECM and ECCM suite possiable serondly your arguement is that the list you craeted is based on the number of F-16 PAF gets if it doenst choose another 4th generation jet welll thats not happening PAF has learned its lesson from the 1990's when it got sanctioned and never got the delivery of F-16 it even had paid for :ranting: PAF will not put all its egg's in one basket PAF will definately go for another 4.5 generation aircraft sooner or later F-16 is just a stop gap secondly mearly 22 F-16 block 60 cant do anything at all what good are 22 F-16
blk60 you need atleast 40+ aircarftto create an impact on the enemy.
And ya Top Gun is a hell of a guy but most people disagree with his theory of 100MLU's including DF diving falcon AKA bilal

 

[EagleEyes]

Originally posted by Best of the Best@Oct 25 2005, 03:04 PM
Ahsan Farooqui only if it was that easy F-16block60 is very different from a regular F-16block 50 they do share almost the same airframe but what makes F-16 block 60 a killer machine is its electronics and avionics it has the most advance AESA rader in it the APG 80 it has the most killer ECM and ECCM suite possiable serondly your arguement is that the list you craeted is based on the number of F-16 PAF gets if it doenst choose another 4th generation jet welll thats not happening PAF has learned its lesson from the 1990's when it got sanctioned and never got the delivery of F-16 it even had paid for  :ranting: PAF will not put all its egg's in one basket PAF will definately go for another 4.5 generation aircraft sooner or later F-16 is just a stop gap secondly mearly 22 F-16 block 60 cant do anything at all what good are 22 F-16
blk60 you need atleast 40+ aircarftto create an impact on the enemy.
                                                          And ya Top Gun is a hell of a guy but most people disagree with his theory of 100MLU's including DF diving falcon AKA bilal

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Indeed, Block 60 is known as totally new aircraft, its range, payload makes it just the best, and i agree with you that 22 of these aircrafts wont make the difference, but remember we need advanced fighters to teach our pilots, you should think about it. We are currenly on Block 15 and it has been more than 15 years with it.

Our pilots need experience with Block 60s, not just that they can learn from the experience, but they can also perform really good in case of war and 22 of these aircrafts would act as front line fighters during the "stop gap" situation, and even in the war like i said..

Our pilots and air force both had significant lost during last 15 years, it couldn't keep up with the other air forces of the world, couldn't exercise nothing. I think its the time that our government had make a right choice by acquiring 77 Block 50s! akistanFlag:

 

[Best of the Best]

Originally posted by Ahsan Farooqui@Oct 26 2005, 02:06 AM
Indeed, Block 60 is a known is as totally new aircraft, its range, payload makes it just the best, and i agree with you that 22 of these aircrafts wont make the difference, but remember we need advanced fighters to teach our pilots, you should think about it. We are currenly on Block 15 and it has been more than 15 years with it.

Our pilots need experience with Block 60s, better range, better payload, not just that they can learn from the experience but they can also perform really good in case of war and 22 of these aircrafts would act as front line fighters during the "stop gap" situation, and even in the war like i said..

Our pilots and air force both had significant lost during last 15 years, it couldn't keep up with the other air forces of the world, couldn't exercise nothing. I think its the time that our government had make a right choice by acquiring 77 Block 50s! akistanFlag:

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Ahsan Farooqui well my good friend for your information pakistan pilots have been flying many diffrent machines from many different countries did you know PAF pilots had been flying the saudi
F-15S and tornado's..... to bring in something into your knowledge UAE when asked the U.S for the sale F-16 block60 the U.S had a condition if they were to sell this jet which was PAF pilots wont even come near the jet flying them was not even possiable but UAE refused later on U.S excluded this condition and UAE bought these jets.

Secondly F-16block60 is an awesome aircraft indeed but its not an F-22 raptor that 22 of them would actually make an impact....... cheers

 

[EagleEyes]

Best,

22 of these jets will sure be able to make the difference, think about it, its our pilots who have been flying only 32 F-16s from last 15 years, and sure have gained a lot of experience, but then like you said our pilots get train in U.A.E this turns of my point that they will be able to train with them. So ya i didn't think about it, now i have that in mind 22 Block 60s are not needed No need for spending billion dollars just for getting trained with them when our pilots are already doing it in arab countries.

 

[Best of the Best]

Originally posted by Ahsan Farooqui@Oct 26 2005, 02:24 AM
Best,

22 of these jets will sure be able to make the difference, think about it, its our pilots who have been flying only 32 F-16s from last 15 years, and sure have gained a lot of experience, but then like you said our pilots get train in U.A.E this turns of my point that they will be able to train with them. So ya i didn't think about it, now i have that in mind 22 Block 60s are not needed No need for spending billion dollars just for getting trained with them when our pilots are already doing it in arab countries.

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friend my point exactly :thumbsup:

 

[farzansaeed07]

Pakistan should now try to buy F-22 Raptor from USA and at cheap rates!
"We have to keep balance of power with India, our forces are engaged in war against terrorism! America has to supply us with best fighter jets so that we can keep balance of power with India. Otherwise, this can result in halting of operations, so that we can keep up with Indian military".
This thing can be used as an excuse!

And Pakistan should also focus on buying F-16 Block 60, if USA doesn't sells F-22 Raptor to Pakistan.

 

[mjnaushad]

Pakistan should now try to buy F-22 Raptor from USA and at cheap rates!
"We have to keep balance of power with India, our forces are engaged in war against terrorism! America has to supply us with best fighter jets so that we can keep balance of power with India. Otherwise, this can result in halting of operations, so that we can keep up with Indian military".
This thing can be used as an excuse!

And Pakistan should also focus on buying F-16 Block 60, if USA doesn't sells F-22 Raptor to Pakistan.

HOW MANY TIMES WILL WE INFORM YOU GUYS. F22 CAN'T BE SOLD. Please talk sense.

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