How many actual sanghis are present on this forum ?

[xeuss]

i am sure we all would not like war , but the sad truth of it is that thats not a possibility , no matter how good your relations with people , you always need to be prepared.
@jamahir have you ever met a armyman? meet them and ask what they think of religion.

That has changed over the years. You should know.

 

[Sharma Ji]

That has changed over the years. You should know.

no.

any of your lot serving currently ?

 

[Soumitra]

Sorry Soumitra, I don't believe Muslims need any extra privileges than anyone else.

The problem with Sanghis in India is that they view any difference in personal religious practices as a privilege; ignoring that those same exclusions/differences exist for other religions as well.

Why should a law in a secular state differ based on religion. When you focus on exclusions or differences which affect laws of the country it simply means that you are above the constitution.

 

[T90TankGuy]

That has changed over the years. You should know.

No it hasn't , My batch mates (92batch NDA) are all serving and none have told me any different , If you have other knowledge do let me know.

Not army but years ago when I was teacher in a computer institute there were some airforce officers who were in a course there. One of them was a jolly gentleman but we never discussed religion.

@Naofumi, that should have been "never discussed" but I think you guessed it.

The three services are very secular and calling them otherwise is a disservice to them . Religion and politics are rarely discussed by serving personnel .
There are some bad apples in the basket but are too disciplined to speak otherwise. its only when they retire do they act out. A civilian will never understand armys way of life. @Joe Shearer care to contribute?

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

No it hasn't , My batch mates (92batch NDA) are all serving and none have told me any different , If you have other knowledge do let me know.


The three services are very secular and calling them otherwise is a disservice to them . Religion and politics are rarely discussed by serving personnel .
There are some bad apples in the basket but are too disciplined to speak otherwise. its only when they retire do they act out. A civilian will never understand armys way of life. @Joe Shearer care to contribute?

Then why is AFMC educated military doctor, padamchen communal?

- PRTP GWD

 

[Sharma Ji]

lol

 

[xeuss]

Why should a law in a secular state differ based on religion. When you focus on exclusions or differences which affect laws of the country it simply means that you are above the constitution.

I agree it should not. But that goes back to the definition of a secular state. Secular can mean either of two things:

1. No preference for any religion
2. Equal preference for all religions.

India never defined what kind of secularism it wants. That is why we have this conundrum. Usually (and by your own verbiage) Muslims are being asked to give up their "laws", but the same is not expected or even demanded for other communities.

If India were to firmly move towards the system of "no preference for any religion", then I don't think you will have many objections from Muslims. However, you know that the Hindus would never entertain this thought, because for them, the Hinduization of society is a stated goal. The UCC is just being used as a cover where Hindu personal laws and privileges will be maintained and Muslims will be targeted as evidenced.

I currently live in a secular country, where I personally have no issue with the secular laws. Precisely because the state does not interfere in the personal religious practices. In matters where Muslim religious rulings are important, there are legal options available. For example, you can follow the Muslim rulings on inheritance by simply crafting a will by an attorney. Absence of a will, means that the state will dispose of your inheritance per the secular laws of the country. The same situation can exist in India as well, if the government chooses to scrap the Muslim Personal Law.

The same can be said for polygamy as well. Personally, no one I know has ever practiced this, so it is really a non-issue for me and most Muslims. Should the government choose to scrap this provision, what will happen is what is practiced among the Hindus - that is - the start of the "rakhel" system, where a man has a wife and maintains a mistress on the side.

The points you raise are typical dog whistles that are prevalent among Sanghi circles but rarely even discussed among Muslims, mostly because they do not exist within their society.

 

[T90TankGuy]

Then why is AFMC educated military doctor, padamchen communal?

- PRTP GWD

He went to AFMC , but never served. i do not think he is communal , he just has different views.
PS what is your education?

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

He went to AFMC , but never served. i do not think he is communal , he just has different views.
PS what is your education?

I surmise military doctors are almost soldier-like and some even practice in hostile conditions like Afghanistan and border areas.

I personally know a soldier's son who was communal during college days.

Padamchen doesn't speak his mind here. But I am sure when he sat with his friends/classmates for gossip he must have hypothetically chatted the wipe out of Muslims and how bad even educated Muslims are. Brought back memories of my friends.

In his own words, "Hamare aankhon pe patti nahi chadhi hai."

- PRTP GWD

PS what is your education?

Jog your memory.

- PRTP GWD

 

[xeuss]

No it hasn't , My batch mates (92batch NDA) are all serving and none have told me any different , If you have other knowledge do let me know.


The three services are very secular and calling them otherwise is a disservice to them . Religion and politics are rarely discussed by serving personnel .
There are some bad apples in the basket but are too disciplined to speak otherwise. its only when they retire do they act out. A civilian will never understand armys way of life. @Joe Shearer care to contribute?

It is a little difficult to explain, but there are certain practices that have started to occur that did not exist earlier. For example, inaugural ceremonies have now become more Hinduized. It is explained that this is "culture", but that is how the religion creeps within society, especially in religions where the distinction between theocratic text and customs is blurred.

In army linguistics, "dushman" is a commonly used word during training and planning. As the country has moved more towards the right, that definition of "dushman" has evolved from an unknown "enemy" to "Muslim/Pakistani". It is subtle, but it is there. Sure Pakistan is an enemy of India, but over the years, it has become the only enemy India has. In a way, the army is only reflecting the larger society.

I am not sure if you serve in the army, but if you are, you will understand what I am trying to say.

 

[T90TankGuy]

I surmise military doctors are almost soldier-like and some even practice in hostile conditions like Afghanistan and border areas.

I personally know a soldier's son who was communal during college days.

Padamchen doesn't speak his mind here. But I am sure when he sat with his friends/classmates for gossip he must have hypothetically chatted the wipe out of Muslims and how bad even educated Muslims are. Brought back memories of my friends.

In his own words, "Hamare aankhon pe patti nahi chadhi hai."

- PRTP GWD


Jog your memory.

- PRTP GWD

Oh i remember your education , was hoping you had grown into it and evolved as a person , sad to see this is not the case.

 

[Robbie]

In army linguistics, "dushman" is a commonly used word during training and planning. As the country has moved more towards the right, that definition of "dushman" has evolved from an unknown "enemy" to "Muslim/Pakistani". It is subtle, but it is there. Sure Pakistan is an enemy of India, but over the years, it has become the only enemy India has. In a way, the army is only reflecting the larger society.

I don't quite agree with you. But on a lighter note - the Chinese just crash landed in dushman category.

 

[T90TankGuy]

It is a little difficult to explain, but there are certain practices that have started to occur that did not exist earlier. For example, inaugural ceremonies have now become more Hinduized. It is explained that this is "culture", but that is how the religion creeps within society, especially in religions where the distinction between theocratic text and customs is blurred.

In army linguistics, "dushman" is a commonly used word during training and planning. As the country has moved more towards the right, that definition of "dushman" has evolved from an unknown "enemy" to "Muslim/Pakistani". It is subtle, but it is there. Sure Pakistan is an enemy of India, but over the years, it has become the only enemy India has. In a way, the army is only reflecting the larger society.

I am not sure if you serve in the army, but if you are, you will understand what I am trying to say.

I am not serving in the army , though i am a part of GOI .
I know what you are referring to , its a practice which was thrust upon the IA during the last two COAS tenures. Its not what the majority of officers and jawans think though .

 

[xeuss]

I don't quite agree with you. But on a lighter note - the Chinese just crash landed in dushman category.

Thankfully eh?

 

[Soumitra]

It is a little difficult to explain, but there are certain practices that have started to occur that did not exist earlier. For example, inaugural ceremonies have now become more Hinduized. It is explained that this is "culture", but that is how the religion creeps within society, especially in religions where the distinction between theocratic text and customs is blurred.

In army linguistics, "dushman" is a commonly used word during training and planning. As the country has moved more towards the right, that definition of "dushman" has evolved from an unknown "enemy" to "Muslim/Pakistani". It is subtle, but it is there. Sure Pakistan is an enemy of India, but over the years, it has become the only enemy India has. In a way, the army is only reflecting the larger society.

I am not sure if you serve in the army, but if you are, you will understand what I am trying to say.

You must have had a serious heart burn seeing this