how did china build its infrastructure ?

[Vimana1]

In USA there is only 2 parties the Republicans and the Democrats to vote for, people dont see the point anymore its just more of the same.

 

[Guest]

In USA there is only 2 parties the Republicans and the Democrats to vote for, people dont see the point anymore its just more of the same.

oh i see, so what about Germany, how many parties are there and what is the Voter turnout?

 

[Vimana1]

oh i see, so what about Germany, how many parties are there and what is the Voter turnout?

There are a few main parties but right now there is coalition goverment with Angela Merkel as the leader im not sure about the voter turnout but i know that generaly in western european countries the number is also low like usa.

 

[GodlessBastard]

so why half of Americans don't vote?

Political apathy is the main reason, and is also the main reason why many upper/upper middle-class Indians don't vote.

 

[ThatDamnGood]

Shanghai Skyline: Before and After

how can you possibly do something like that in 15 years ?

where did all the older structures go ?

They got torn down and built over.

 

[Martian2]

I f you compare chinese cities with cities of countries with comparable per capita income like Egypt , algeria , namibia , el salvador then its easy to notice china has a much advanced infra .

How has china built its infra so ahead of time ?

India will have the same per person income as china does today by the year 2020 but i dont see india possibly having world class infra like China in that year.

china if i am not wrong has better infra compared to richer countries like russia and mexico as well ( per capita income) .

the question is how did they do it ?

I would like replies from chinese who witnessed the change happen first hand and also want to know why many other countries like India and egypt or even mexico cant build world class infrastructure that fast.

no trolling please , only serious well informed replies.

I think that indigenous technology is a critical determinant. If you build your country's infrastructure with Western equipment, it will approach Western-level prices per mile. With indigenous Chinese construction equipment, world-class infrastructure is affordable at Chinese prices.

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[Abhishek_]

do you pay tax for an apple, a chair or many other things after you brought and owned it?"common way to raise money to operate the govt"? maybe common in your country, not mine. At least in China, we don't pay tax for keeping what belongs to us, not even a house.



maybe I mdke a mistake here, I just remember that Chinese are also welcome to brought US properties. But can you sell them to the Indian or Chinese gov ??? NO, because they always belong to US, they have the final say.

In short, when you compare apples with land you "own", you know exactly what the differences are.

thanks for realizing that. Exactly my point
by the way I was specific to private home-ownership, kindly re-read post 15 since it seems you are misunderstanding what I meant.

not sure about canada but in US, the govt. does not own all the land.

 

[below_freezing]

not sure about canada but in US, the govt. does not own all the land.

on topic- I think the chinese govt. has worked hard to gain trust of the general populace. and when they do take over land, the number of people opposing are quite minute. As an outsider, it seems they have a pretty good track record of developing infra for public, so the public also puts faith in them

if you think you own the land, don't pay property taxes or wait until oil is discovered on it to find out who actually owns the land.

 

[Hafizzz]

Time for India to invite Chinese Infrastructure companies to build Indian infrastruction. Win Win situation for both the nations. We can leverage the experience of the Chinese companies, China can make some $$ from it.

India already invited Chinese companies to do so.

 

[Abhishek_]

if you think you own the land, don't pay property taxes or wait until oil is discovered on it to find out who actually owns the land.

lol freeze you always crack me up

You're telling me if you do something illegal on your property in china that the govt. won't step in?
Absolute freedom doesn't exist, I have the freedom to do what I want on my properties within the legal framework. I don't have any issues with that.
You make an interesting point on oil discovery, as far as I understand an energy company (which are not state owned like sinopec) will need to lease (possibly buy) land for exploration. I personally know an individual who leases govt land for mining purposes, and that land is in the middle of nowhere (near death valley). There will be serious legal issues if a company wants exploration rights before they even touch a residential property.
Anyway this is off-topic, lets stay on point. cheers mate

 

[below_freezing]

another thing is, shenzhen is really an artificial city; it would have never gotten up without significant help from the government's policies. shanghai developed on its own without special policies.

but don't think development is only on the coastline. take a look at Wuhan... 1000 km inland.

Wuhan 1998

Wuhan 2010

It's not just shanghai, shenzhen, beijing... it's the downtown area of every city in China that's like this. The contrasts in Changsha are even bigger.

Changsha 1990:

Changsha 2010:

 

[Abhishek_]

^no other word for it freeze...Hats off to your nation

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

how did Japan and south korea build infrastructure so quickly ? they were democracies werent they ?

plus how will chinese companies help build indian infra faster ?

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

another thing is, shenzhen is really an artificial city; it would have never gotten up without significant help from the government's policies. shanghai developed on its own without special policies.

but don't think development is only on the coastline. take a look at Wuhan... 1000 km inland.

Wuhan 1998

Wuhan 2010

It's not just shanghai, shenzhen, beijing... it's the downtown area of every city in China that's like this. The contrasts in Changsha are even bigger.

Changsha 1990:

Changsha 2010:

Will we indians ever get to see our cities look like this in our lifetime ?

 

[below_freezing]

lol freeze you always crack me up

You're telling me if you do something illegal on your property in china that the govt. won't step in?
Absolute freedom doesn't exist, I have the freedom to do what I want on my properties within the legal framework. I don't have any issues with that.
You make an interesting point on oil discovery, as far as I understand an energy company (which are not state owned like sinopec) will need to lease (possibly buy) land for exploration. I personally know an individual who leases govt land for mining purposes, and that land is in the middle of nowhere (near death valley). There will be serious legal issues if a company wants exploration rights before they even touch a residential property.
Anyway this is off-topic, lets stay on point. cheers mate

of course =)

the building of infrastructure in china has 4 main points:

1.) financing
2.) industrial capability for making the equipment needed
3.) tolerably low corruption in this sector in major cities (not in rural areas; i'll get to this later)
4.) infrastructure not a political issue

explained with contrast to the US:

1.) As I know it, US infrastructure building is financed through government grants to contractors who then contract different parts of the project to subcontractors while keeping a part as profit. Each step along the way, some money is taken out of the system and wasted/stolen. In China, state owned infrastructure corporations such as China State Structural Engineering and China Railway Corporation take the tasks on directly and are financed by state owned banks directly. This cuts out the entire chain of contracting and subcontracting that raises costs.

2.) We can make the tools needed to make buildings. Companies like Sanyi and Zhonglian are some examples. This is not a primary reason but is an important factor; not being able to make your own equipment raises costs, increases time for order completion and gives more chances for corruption.

3.) Private infrastructure companies do exist - when they win the bids, construction is just as inefficient. in fact infrastructure in some areas is the dirtiest sector, especially for rural roadbuilding. in large cities though, private companies simply don't have the ability to build bridges or subways.

4.) This relates to corruption again. Political issue means, that infrastructure is a plaything for representatives to stuff their own pockets. They'll try to get infrastructure funding for their region, but ignore others, and when they do get the infrastructure funding, they'll build a substandard project in a place no one uses at a cheap price and pocket the difference. In China, infrastructure is not a political game for major areas. People do try to game the system by holding out and trying to pressure for higher prices; they sometimes "win" but the price is so high (see this thread for the situations that come up when the bidders give up and just build around you http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-defence/79103-land-trouble-china.html)