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How are the educated unemployed doing?

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Such people are not normally regarded as poor as per the poverty line, but they have fallen into poverty due to the ongoing critical period

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After completing an Honours and Masters in law with good results from Chittagong University, Sabetri Pal (pseudonym) has been looking for a job for two years.

She has to tutor students to run her family, but even that only source of income has stopped since March last when the coronavirus broke out in Bangladesh.

Sabetri's father worked in a private company for 18 years until 2013 when he was sent into forced retirement with some money. He bought savings instruments with the money and now earns some interest every three months from them.

Recently, Sabetri's father had a heart attack and her mother has been ill for a long time. Sabetri cannot even buy proper medicines for them.

Such families of educated unemployed youths have now fallen below the poverty line due to the stagnant economy amid the coronavirus crisis. Yet, they are not getting government aid.

Economists say that the government should also support these people by discarding conventional thinking and expanding the social safety net to cover them.

Like Sabetri Pal, Mahbubur Rahman too has not been able to get a job even though he passed from the political science department of Dhaka University seven years ago.

His father was a railway employee. House rent, family expenses – all are borne with the father's pension money. Apart from his parents, Mahbubur has three brothers and sisters who all are still studying.

Mahbubur said he has been trying for a government job from the very beginning. He appeared at the viva voce in the 34th and 36th BCS. But finally, he joined a private company as he had already gone past the age limit for a government job.

Due to the coronavirus, he lost that private job too. He is deeply frustrated as he is now unable to support his family financially. He too is not getting any financial aid from the government.

The uncertainty over when these educated unemployed people will get jobs does not seem to be going away very soon.

Because of the coronavirus, the job market in Bangladesh, as in other countries globally, is likely to shrink further over fears of an imminent global recession. It will not return to normal until the economy of Bangladesh returns to its previous state. And there is no certainty as to when that will happen.

Economists say that families of educated unemployed people are not normally poor as per the poverty line. However, due to the current critical period, they have fallen into poverty.

The government is providing incentive assistance of Tk30,000 crore to big businesses even though they are not poor at all. For the same reason, financial assistance also applies to those families who are educated unemployed and at risk of loss of livelihood and starvation.

Because of an unprecedented situation, different countries in the world have come out of the traditional trend and launched various social programmes. Countries like the United States, the United Kingdom, China and India have extended support to people of all classes.

Sabetri says she would not have needed any financial aid had she had the opportunity to do tuition.

As her results are good, she has applied for different jobs, including the post of a lecturer in some private universities. But due to a lack of money, she cannot go to Dhaka to take the job tests.

Sabetri said her father's medicines cost Tk4,000 every month while that for her mother costs more than Tk1,000.

When will the government stand by them if it does not do it at this time? Asked Zahid Hussain, former lead economist at the World Bank's Dhaka office.

"It is not an issue of the Ministry of Relief and Disaster Management alone because there are specific rules for getting relief. These people need to be brought under the social safety net which falls under the responsibility of the Ministry of Social Welfare."

Zahid also said such families did not need relief or assistance before as they were economically solvent. Now, it is not possible for the educated unemployed, who are in a crisis of livelihood, to deal with this problem alone. They need help. Social safety activities need to be expanded beyond the traditional idea.

Meanwhile, no government agency agrees to take responsibility for the educated unemployed.

Mohammad Zainul Bari, secretary of the social welfare ministry, said the constitution of Bangladesh clarifies who will come under the social safety net programmes. Educated unemployed or those who are not getting a job will not be covered by it.

There are other government programmes for them, such as training and lending, he also said.

"The educated unemployed, who are in a bad condition at this time, can get food aid. The relief ministry should look into the issue; we have nothing to do here," he said.

But an official of the relief ministry, on condition of anonymity, said the policy of the ministry does not consider the educated unemployed as eligible for relief.

Relief is being provided to low-income people who used to work on a daily basis but have become destitute due to the lockdown, he said.

Ahsan H Mansur, executive director of the Policy Research Institute, said the coronavirus has already left 1.5-2 crore people unemployed in the country.

If their families are counted, this number is about five crores. As a result, they need constant help. For this reason, the next budget should make a large allocation for these people, according to Mansur.

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How are the educated unemployed doing?
Coronavirus or no, unemployment situation is very bad in BD. Unless more and more manufacturing industries based on 1IR, 2IR and 3IR are built the situation will get worse and worse year after year. FDIs can make it happen but I do not see any such prospect in big scale.

So, local investment remains the only way to build industries and employ young people. I hope, someday the GoB will no more build Prestige Projects and rather encourage private people to build mills and factories. This will employ new graduates.
 
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Coronavirus or no, unemployment situation is very bad in BD. Unless more and more manufacturing industries based on 1IR, 2IR and 3IR are built the situation will get worse and worse year after year. FDIs can make it happen but I do not see any such prospect in big scale.

So, local investment remains the only way to build industries and employ young people. I hope, someday the GoB will no more build Prestige Projects and rather encourage private people to build mills and factories. This will employ new graduates.

Your suggestions are too sensible brother, never going to the happen in our great shonar Bangla as long as BAL is in power.
 
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Your suggestions are too sensible brother, never going to the happen in our great shonar Bangla as long as BAL is in power.
I know it may not happen because our leaders are not pragmatic. I wonder how this underdeveloped country claims it would be come a developed country but without the presence of manufacturing plants?

So, I want our leaders to go through the pages of economic development history of all the current highly developed countries except a few small countries like Switzerland. All including the tiny Luxembourg rose to high GDP level with the help of industrial production.
 
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Coronavirus or no, unemployment situation is very bad in BD. Unless more and more manufacturing industries based on 1IR, 2IR and 3IR are built the situation will get worse and worse year after year. FDIs can make it happen but I do not see any such prospect in big scale.

So, local investment remains the only way to build industries and employ young people. I hope, someday the GoB will no more build Prestige Projects and rather encourage private people to build mills and factories. This will employ new graduates.
The problem is not availability of jobs. There are abundant jobs in Bangladesh. However, the money big corporations pay you is very negligible and not enough for you. Imagine completing MBA and getting a salary of just 15000-20000 taka. What will you do with such a small amount of money in Dhaka city?

The problem with Bangladesh is that there are too many graduates in the country and everyone needs a job. Corporations knows the abundance of graduates in the country and so they pay less because if not you then there are others who will do the job.
I think government will eventually have to declare a minimum pay for job holders too.
 
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The problem is not availability of jobs. There are abundant jobs in Bangladesh. However, the money big corporations pay you is very negligible and not enough for you. Imagine completing MBA and getting a salary of just 15000-20000 taka. What will you do with such a small amount of money in Dhaka city?

The problem with Bangladesh is that there are too many graduates in the country and everyone needs a job. Corporations knows the abundance of graduates in the country and so they pay less because if not you then there are others who will do the job.
I think government will eventually have to declare a minimum pay for job holders too.
Well there are issue with our education quality. What bd needs is to invite foreign universities open campus in bangladesh.

The best business school in Canada york business school have campus in india. Many other universities around the world openings campus in india and it helps them to bring excellent quality education to your door steps.

I dont see any foreign universities have any campus in bangladesh. Let alone the good western universities.

And then there are also issue with the number of STEM graduates. Bd despite having 165 million ppl only create very few STEM graduates which is needed if you want to get advanced manufacturing. Most global companies wont invest unless you have excellent talent pool.
 
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Well there are issue with our education quality. What bd needs is to invite foreign universities open campus in bangladesh.

The best business school in Canada york business school have campus in india. Many other universities around the world openings campus in india and it helps them to bring excellent quality education to your door steps.

I dont see any foreign universities have any campus in bangladesh. Let alone the good western universities.

And then there are also issue with the number of STEM graduates. Bd despite having 165 million ppl only create very few STEM graduates which is needed if you want to get advanced manufacturing. Most global companies wont invest unless you have excellent talent pool.

I do not agree with you on this one. We have good number of engineering students but this field is also inefficient. Same like business schools, the STEM education in our country is based on theory than practice. Can you imagine we need to even hire experts from China to construct bridges and roads even when we have so many civil engineering students graduating each year.

Also STEM in Bangladesh will develop when you have quality research facilities and the urge to conduct researches. Foreign Universities publishes research papers regularly. When was the last time any Bangladeshi universities published a good research paper?

We have good number of STEM students, but at the end of the day they become BCS cadres and joins the administration. Whereas this is not the case in India and Europe. Foreign scientists are into research and development. When was the last time our engineering graduates did any remarkable research except for the research on jute?
 
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I do not agree with you on this one. We have good number of engineering students but this field is also inefficient. Same like business schools, the STEM education in our country is based on theory than practice. Can you imagine we need to even hire experts from China to construct bridges and roads even when we have so many civil engineering students graduating each year.

Also STEM in Bangladesh will develop when you have quality research facilities and the urge to conduct researches. Foreign Universities publishes research papers regularly. When was the last time any Bangladeshi universities published a good research paper?

We have good number of STEM students, but at the end of the day they become BCS cadres and joins the administration. Whereas this is not the case in India and Europe. Foreign scientists are into research and development. When was the last time our engineering graduates did any remarkable research except for the research on jute?
You have no idea about India then condition of engineers are more or less similar in India too. Here we have too many engineers and too little jobs. And except a few institutions most institutions are really bad. And the jobs available gives a meagre salary and work time is so hectic that most engineers here tries their luck with govt exams. And the scenario is most of the govt jobs are taken by these engineers from civil servant to peons. And with the current economic crisis many engineers are laid off en masse.
 
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You have no idea about India then condition of engineers are more or less similar in India too. Here we have too many engineers and too little jobs. And except a few institutions most institutions are really bad. And the jobs available gives a meagre salary and work time is so hectic that most engineers here tries their luck with govt exams. And the scenario is most of the govt jobs are taken by these engineers from civil servant to peons. And with the current economic crisis many engineers are laid off en masse.
Yes I know that. In India if you are very bright you might get chance to work as a researcher for DRDO, ISRO etc but common engineers are basically jobless.

Unemployment is a curse for South asian countries.
 
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I do not agree with you on this one. We have good number of engineering students but this field is also inefficient. Same like business schools, the STEM education in our country is based on theory than practice. Can you imagine we need to even hire experts from China to construct bridges and roads even when we have so many civil engineering students graduating each year.
We may have some misconception with engineering graduates that they should know well through the depth of his/her subjects. But, we do not say the same when it is graduates in law or medicine because we know they become expert in their respective subjects after working in the field under superiors from whom they keep on learning.

I will cite only the case of civil engineering students. The reality is all over the world these students basically pass the class tests, 1st/2nd semester exams and in the process they keep on learning only the names of many subjects. They cannot really reach the depth because they are busy with home works, writing reports on the Practical, doing surveying etc.

Where is the time to learn? So, their depth of knowledge remains very shallow when they graduate. In western countries or even in India graduates enter either a construction or design consulting company where they keep on learning the construction know how, preparation of construction schedules, give responsibilities to various job teams etc. when it is a construction company.

The method is little different in the design office. New engineers have to learn from the beginning, say what is Dead Load, Live Load, Wind Load, Seismic Load, soil bearing capacity, pile capacity etc. They have to learn many Codes and Standards, such as BS Codes, ACI, AASHTO, ASTM etc.

Now, tell me if there are such consultant companies in BD where the public work projects are designed. Almost absolutely there is none. So, it is imperative that the GoB asks the Chinese/British companies do projects like the Padma Bridge. Simply speaking, these foreign companies train talents year after year who can undertake design analysis or construction works after a few years.

Now, where are these engineers in our country who have gained profound practical knowledge through many important projects? The GoB is not interested to produce the future efficient engineers. They must be nurtured by none other than the govt.
 
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And Pakistani situation is worse than India and Bangladesh.
Nopes, prove it with facts and figures, if you can't then avoid statements like these. And no, your personal situation doesn't equate to the whole Pakistan situation.

This is extreme case for us, like mind blowing eye opening, and the government starts to move:


Meanwhile this is THEIR norm:
TN: Over 4000 Applicants, Mostly MBAs & Engineers Apply For 14 Sweeper Job
https://thelogicalindian.com/news/engineers-apply-sweeper-job/
 
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We may have some misconception with engineering graduates that they should know well through the depth of his/her subjects. But, we do not say the same when it is graduates in law or medicine because we know they become expert in their respective subjects after working in the field under superiors from whom they keep on learning.

I will cite only the case of civil engineering students. The reality is all over the world these students basically pass the class tests, 1st/2nd semester exams and in the process they keep on learning only the names of many subjects. They cannot really reach the depth because they are busy with home works, writing reports on the Practical, doing surveying etc.

Where is the time to learn? So, their depth of knowledge remains very shallow when they graduate. In western countries or even in India graduates enter either a construction or design consulting company where they keep on learning the construction know how, preparation of construction schedules, give responsibilities to various job teams etc. when it is a construction company.

The method is little different in the design office. New engineers have to learn from the beginning, say what is Dead Load, Live Load, Wind Load, Seismic Load, soil bearing capacity, pile capacity etc. They have to learn many Codes and Standards, such as BS Codes, ACI, AASHTO, ASTM etc.

Now, tell me if there are such consultant companies in BD where the public work projects are designed. Almost absolutely there is none. So, it is imperative that the GoB asks the Chinese/British companies do projects like the Padma Bridge. Simply speaking, these foreign companies train talents year after year who can undertake design analysis or construction works after a few years.

Now, where are these engineers in our country who have gained profound practical knowledge through many important projects? The GoB is not interested to produce the future efficient engineers. They must be nurtured by none other than the govt.
Tbh this is not just in the field of science and technology. I am a student of Finance. We have been taught numerous financial formulas and theories at University. How many of these formulas are applicable in the financial system of our country? None

The Dhaka stock exchange has no regulation and is run by illiterate/brain-dead people.
 
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Nopes, prove it with facts and figures, if you can't then avoid statements like these. And no, your personal situation doesn't equate to the whole Pakistan situation.

This is extreme case for us, like mind blowing eye opening, and the government starts to move:


Meanwhile this is THEIR norm:
TN: Over 4000 Applicants, Mostly MBAs & Engineers Apply For 14 Sweeper Job
https://thelogicalindian.com/news/engineers-apply-sweeper-job/
This is also because here people are crazy for govt jobs. Salary doesn't matter but the safety of job. As well as if you are employed in govt sector you will get a good match and lots of dowry.
 
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