How Afghanistan and Taliban have turned against Pakistan

[jha]

Spoken like a true Tali cheerleader, continue digging your grave as you make your society more extremist because sleeping with the snakes is bound to bite you, TTP is just a culmination of these polices and whatever happened in SWAT should be a good lesson for Tali cheerleaders like yourself.
The fact of the matter is that you both lost blood and treasure and got nothing in return for sleeping with snakes, time to wake up because even your proxies are sleeping with your enemies now ( talk of self goal



Talk of self harm , even the proxies have started sleeping with the enemy, whatever the jurnails might want you to believe, but all is not well

Hehehe..Their generals have not yet told them that "Afghan Taliban" has started backchannel talks with some countries.

 

[Well.wisher]

Has ghani done some reforms for the Afghan refugees that are sent back to Afghanistan? @Afghan members . It's expected that at end of match there will be a tsunami of refugees to Afghanistan. Its postponed yet because of winter .

 

[pakistani342]

Spoken like a true Tali cheerleader, continue digging your grave as you make your society more extremist because sleeping with the snakes is bound to bite you, TTP is just a culmination of these polices and whatever happened in SWAT should be a good lesson for Tali cheerleaders like yourself.
The fact of the matter is that you both lost blood and treasure and got nothing in return for sleeping with snakes, time to wake up because even your proxies are sleeping with your enemies now ( talk of self goal



Talk of self harm , even the proxies have started sleeping with the enemy, whatever the jurnails might want you to believe, but all is not well

In my estimation: if the Pindi boys thought of their proxies anything other than weapon systems, I'd be surprised.

Actually those are the exact words I've heard a Western Analyst use on how the GHQ thinks of the Taliban.

 

[RoadRunner401]

Denial from your side is something we're used to.

However deep inside even you know it that its safe to say you have only one ally in this region and that is China who are making you heavily dependent on them economically.

You want some cheese with your whine?

 

[A-Team]

In my estimation: if the Pindi boys thought of their proxies anything other than weapon systems, I'd be surprised.

Actually those are the exact words I've heard a Western Analyst use on how the GHQ thinks of the Taliban.

What good has this brought to Pak? Except that a society that is militant now, loss blood and treasure. An Afghan gov that stands strong and carries strong international commitment and thousands of Pak civilian dead.

Well played indeed.

 

[Kabira]

Spoken like a true Tali cheerleader, continue digging your grave as you make your society more extremist because sleeping with the snakes is bound to bite you, TTP is just a culmination of these polices and whatever happened in SWAT should be a good lesson for Tali cheerleaders like yourself.
The fact of the matter is that you both lost blood and treasure and got nothing in return for sleeping with snakes, time to wake up because even your proxies are sleeping with your enemies now ( talk of self goal



Talk of self harm , even the proxies have started sleeping with the enemy, whatever the jurnails might want you to believe, but all is not well

TTP have nothing to do with Afghani taliban. They would have been there no matter what because of India and their slaves in Afghanistan. Taliban was in power throughout 90's and that decade is remembered fondly by Pakistanis despite cripling sanctions.

 

[Razia Sultana]

1. afghan taliban represents majority in practical as they are controlling more than half of afghanistan. go and read the history when during mizar sharif battle taliban leader mullah omer offered peace and surrender only if they were allowed to live in peace in afghanistan. karzai agreed to it, but americans didn't wanted it. under this situation how could taliban contest elections and win it.
baloch insurgents are less than 1000 whereas taliban people are more than 100k considering all of its allies. TTP are defeated and are now living in afghanistan as ISIS. their punjabi taliban group had already denounced war in pakistan. i donot want to give you insurgency examples in india as counter baloch narrative.
2. afghan government is mostly non pashtun except few pashtun war lords. afghan army still uses the pictures of ex northern alliance leader in their offices. go and see the US made documentaries on afghan armies. you will know how much it represent majority.
3. pakistan and afghanistan never had war but the most tense relations. in the past northern alliance was a strong ally of india and anti pakistan. pakistan on the other hand supported taliban to counter this threat.
4. pakistan was ally of US just because of mutual interest and that was soviet union who wanted to capture and invade balochistan. other than that pakistan and US relations were never that warm. remember the book written by ayub khan named "friends not masters". we need russia because russia needs us too to counter new extremists threat emerging in afghanistan. most of them are chechen and uzbeks.

1. I would like to differ that talibans are in majority. First of all they are not at all democratic to get an idea of their mass support. If at all they have some support its probably out of fear. Mulla Omar's offer of surrender was at a time when he was on the verge of being defeated. Its more of a military matter than political. Twice the talibans had opportunity to participate in elections but they opted to continue with war.
As regards to Baloch rebels and TTP, your comments support my view that being undefeated does not mean to be in majority.
2. I am surprised at your ignorance. Hamid Karzai and Ashraf Ghani are pashtuns, aren't they? Its a fact that without pashtun votes no one can form govt in Afghanistan. Afghanistan as a nation consists of many sects like pashtuns, tajiks, ujbeks and hazaras and together they form one nation. Its not necessary a national hero has to be from majority ethnic group. For that matter even Jinnah was a shia and yet the hero of sunni majority Pakistan.
3. Northern Alliance was born in 1996 against Talibans. Talibans had support of only three countries namely Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and UAE while northern alliance was supported by Turkey, Iran, India, Russia, China, America and the central asian republics. Talibans were undemocratic and unrecognized rulers with a mindset of terrorists.
4. What was the need to write a book titled "Friends not Masters", somewhere a clarification was needed for the sake of self respect. Wont be surprized if someone writes a similar book on sino-pak relationships.

 

[A-Team]

TTP have nothing to do with Afghani taliban. They would have been there no matter what because of India and their slaves in Afghanistan. Taliban was in power throughout 90's and that decade is remembered fondly by Pakistanis despite cripling sanctions.

So by your logic which you have quite happily taken position that Afghan Talis are friends of Pakistan, the same talis who are having a war in Afghanistan so by that logic, the Afghan gov has all the right to help, shelter and train TTP, BLA and all others so that you can feel the heat as well.

Then stop this drama of complaining of Indians and Afghans helping TTP, they are just returning the favor.

Pathetic logic.

 

[Kabira]

So by your logic which you have quite happily taken position that Afghan Talis are friends of Pakistan, the same talis who are having a war in Afghanistan so by that logic, the Afghan gov has all the right to help, shelter and train TTP, BLA and all others so that you can feel the heat as well.

Then stop this drama of complaining of Indians and Afghans helping TTP, they are just returning the favor.

Pathetic logic.

They are already sheltering, training and funding TTP, BLA with help of India. As I said only time Afghani government didn't work actively against Pakistan was in Taliban era. We have defeated TTP from our soil. Now they have to cross over your side to attack.

 

[ziaulislam]

Looks like Pakistan has lost any influence it had in Afghanistan to counter India.

Tbh it will be in best interest of Pakistan to stop this ego battle with India and strive for a peaceful resolution while also acknowledging India's vast superiority over them militarily and in diplomacy.

Further confrontation will cause loss for either side but India can bear the cost, can Pakistan?

hah...!
india from day 1 is screwing with pakistan, does it make any logical sense to screw with us in Baluchistan or what it did with Bangladesh...
its just like if we start screwing india in some distant assam independence movement

 

[A-Team]

They are already sheltering, training and funding TTP, BLA with help of India. As I said only time Afghani government didn't work actively against Pakistan was in Taliban era. We have defeated TTP from our soil. Now they have to cross over your side to attack.

So don't complain when the Afghan gov is returning the favor because of you guys sheltering and basically Afghan Talis as proxies. It is a tit for tat then.

 

[Kabira]

So don't complain when the Afghan gov is returning the favor because of you guys sheltering and basically Afghan Talis as proxies. It is a tit for tat then.

Of course we will blame you and India for killing civilians in Pakistan. Tit for tat is for us to do, remember we are victims here. We didn't start this proxy war first but Afghanistan with help of India.

 

[volatile]

Before posting your propaganda (indian media) check some facts

http://www.arabnews.com/node/1001266/world
Afghan Taliban delegation in Pakistan after Qatar talks

Pashtuns are major Talibans and more than 60% Pashtuns are in Pakistan so forget your wet dreams .By the way Talibans are more Pakistani than Afghani

 

[A-Team]

Of course we will blame you and India for killing civilians in Pakistan. Tit for tat is for us to do, remember we are victims here. We didn't start this proxy war first but Afghanistan with help of India.

Do you seriously believe this? Afghans starting the proxy war?

Remember TTP came into the foray around 2006-2008 but you guys have been breeding Talis since 90s

 

[Counterpunch]

Looks like Pakistan has lost any influence it had in Afghanistan to counter India.

Tbh it will be in best interest of Pakistan to stop this ego battle with India and strive for a peaceful resolution while also acknowledging India's vast superiority over them militarily and in diplomacy.

Further confrontation will cause loss for either side but India can bear the cost, can Pakistan?

Oh that dare again!
Pakistan has been bearing it for decades now. Can India stand it if we really start on that?

Moreover, it will do India lot of good if they understand and accept, rather than enforcing the idea on Pakistan, that size doesn't matter when it comes to comparing the Nations. In fact it is totally futile and even silly to try and enforce the idea of one's supremacy on another Nation. To me every Nation is great in itself

On topic: Afghanistan (the Govts) have been known to spend half a year digging the pit for themselves and falling in it and then spending rest of the year trying to get out of it. They need to think for the their people for a change rather than ending up a hot bed of proxy wars for the others. They must understand that India's interest in them is limited to extending its regional hegemonic designs and also encircling Pakistan. If Afghanistan is allowed to be used for that purpose and we start getting hurt we will in all right take counter measures. All this will only mean people of Afghanistan are hurt.
I truly wish to see a government in Afghanistan that takes it hands off all kind of violence once and for all and try and identify the single enemy i.e internal strife and look to end it with concerted efforts