Homosexuality is Unnatural

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Homosexuality is unnatural

So is driving a car and living in a house, or was the line supposed to read "God created Adam & Eve & a Mercedes S550 parked in Tuscan Villa"?

Why don't all of you bible/Quran thumpers just walk around naked eating apples that you aren't supposed to eat and leave the rest of us in peace. Please, go live your lives exactly as as it was when Adam and Eve were created.

 

[syedali73]

Next thing would be rights for incest. If sex is nature, than why not with mother or sister, or daughter, or father, or brother or son, after all it is all natural. Keep going.

Strong 'urge' for doing something or getting into an act is not 'nature'. We sometimes have strong urge to slap someone or setting something on fire etc., but we cant do it only because of the 'urge'. The whole purpose of societal norms, culture, and laws is to control the 'urge'.

So is driving a car and living in a house, or was the line supposed to read "God created Adam & Eve & a Mercedes S550 parked in Tuscan Villa"?

Why don't all of you bible/Quran thumpers just walk around naked eating apples that you aren't supposed to eat and leave the rest of us in peace. Please, go live your lives exactly as as it was when Adam and Eve were created.

A better argument was expected, at-least from you!

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

If homosexuality isnt natural, then why can we observe it among other animals in nature? Thats the very definition of natural

If its natural then majority should have done it ..no? How many Indians are straight going against something which is natural by genetic ?

Its perfectly logical to say that wherever this behavior comes from (wther from genes or personal choice for sexual pleasure ) it is an abnormality

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Next thing would be rights for incest. If sex is nature, than why not with mother or sister, or daughter, or father, or brother or son, after all it is all natural. Keep going.

Incest does not quality because of the potential for biological/genetic complications in children produced from such a relationship.

Homosexuality cannot be compared to incest, pedophilia or beastiality because it does not deal with the same issues.

The whole purpose of societal norms, culture, and laws is to control the 'urge'.

The purpose is to 'control urges' that have tangible negative impacts on society. Theft, murder, rape hurt the entities such actions are directed against. Pedophilia exploits the immature and susceptible mind of children, incest can result in the exacerbation of genetic mutations/disorders.

Homosexuality, when engaged in by 2 consenting adults, inflicts no tangible harm on society. I didn't decide to go out and hook up with a guy Friday night because gay marriage was suddenly legal all across the US.

So unless you can show a tangible harm to society from homosexuality, there is no justification to oppose it and ban it.

 

[VCheng]

does not civil partnership give you exactly same benefit? In UK, there is no difference between civil partnership and married couple. The reason was equality and more emotional need(of acceptance by society) than financial.

Yes, as I said, the argument was for equality in all aspects before SCOTUS, and it prevailed.

 

[livingdead]

its natural in the sense people do not push themselves to be homosexual. Its not a fad or a fashion. Its not a dogma you start believing, get converted to gayism and from next day you only fancy people of same sex.
Its natural in same way some people are left handed.
Its obvious homosexuality will remain within minority of population. However just because its behaviour of tiny minority does not mean its not natural.
People flee persecution, have been killed, mutilated with their pen*s cut off, just because they are considered homosexual. People dont stick to a 'fashion' when they face life threat.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

its natural in the sense people do not push themselves to be homosexual. Its not a fad or a fashion. Its not a dogma you start believing, get converted to gayism and from next day you only fancy people of same sex.
Its natural in same way some people are left handed.
Its obvious homosexuality will remain within minority of population. However just because its behaviour of tiny minority does not mean its not natural.
People flee persecution, have been killed, mutilated with their pen*s cut off, just because they are considered homosexual. People dont stick to a 'fashion' when they face life threat.

I have seen people converted from gay to straight and vice versa. I have even seen some gays in Pakistan who are living a happy married life now with kids. We assume that all gays are born like that which is not true. We ignore that certain peopel choose to be gays or lesbian because of their past experiences or influence from p orn, media, society etc We also ignore rest of the factors which shape your sexual prefrences

and being left handed is abnormal too.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

And this says it all.

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Homosexuality is a natural phenomenon.

Plus, Adam and Eve is mythology.

Great thread starter though.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Homosexuality is a natural phenomenon.

why ganguly is going against nature then?

 

[syedali73]

Incest does not quality because of the potential for biological/genetic complications in children produced from such a relationship.

Homosexuality cannot be compared to incest, pedophilia or beastiality because it does not deal with the same issues.

The purpose is to 'control urges' that have tangible negative impacts on society. Theft, murder, rape hurt the entities such actions are directed against. Pedophilia exploits the immature and susceptible mind of children, incest can result in the exacerbation of genetic mutations/disorders.

Homosexuality, when engaged in by 2 consenting adults, inflicts no tangible harm on society. I didn't decide to go out and hook up with a guy Friday night because gay marriage was suddenly legal all across the US.

So unless you can show a tangible harm to society from homosexuality, there is no justification to oppose it and ban it.

What biological/genetic complications? Who will get indulged into incest for reproduction purposes? Besides incest wont be restricted between two opposite sexes, for the sole purpose or intentions is 'pleasure'. Secondly, the gist of your argument 'what harm if done with consent' applies as much to pedophilia and incest. What harm if I sleep with my mother or under-age daughter so long we are mutually agreed? What tangible harm such a relationship will cause to the society? Though one would like to define what exactly is 'tangible'.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

why ganguly is going against nature then?

My preferences are .... more general. But there have been, are and will be those who have different choices.

 

[fallstuff]

What couple of consenting adults do within the compound of their home is not anyone else's business. If an individual is required to pay tax then he/she can do the wife/husband/girlfriend/boyfriend/left-hand/right-hand/rubber-doll if they want to.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

What biological/genetic complications? Who will get indulged into incest for reproduction purposes? Besides incest wont be restricted between two opposite sexes for the purpose is 'pleasure'.

By your logic, humanity is borne from incest anyway. Adam + Eve ... their kids .... their kids.... and so on.

What harm if I sleep with my mother or under-age daughter so long we are mutually agreed

The former may be legally okay. The latter definitely is not.

 

[NaMaloom]

What biological/genetic complications? Who will get indulged into incest for reproduction purposes? Besides incest wont be restricted between two opposite sexes, for the sole purpose or intentions is 'pleasure'. Secondly, the gist of your argument 'what harm if done with consent' applies as much to pedophilia and incest. What harm if I sleep with my mother or under-age daughter so long we are mutually agreed? What tangible harm such a relationship will cause to the society? Though one would like to define what exactly is 'tangible'.

For your information, INCEST is ALREADY LEGAL in Pakistan in the guise of COUSIN marriages. You may not think of them as 'incest', but the rest of the planet certainly thinks so. The rest of your comment is pretty much gibberish.

The reason why pedophilia can never be allowed is because it does not fulfill the criteria 'two consenting ADULTS'. Plain and simple.

I usually do not agree with what Bill Maher says but he is right about one thing,

 

[xyxmt]

yes why not if someone willing to do ?

If only I get tax deductions for my hand.