History of MQM

[Thorough Pro]

please add "Bloody" before history to not distort the history.

I realise that some of you are unaware of the reasons.....

 

[truthseer]

Wese all I've posted are facts, can't believe some are denying actual facts

 

[ice_man]

Wese all I've posted are facts, can't believe some are denying actual facts

facts need proof! not script writing skills!

what you wrote is nothing but a myth made up by MQM!

Urdu was made the NATIONAL LANGUAGE under ZULFIQAR BHUTTO! and a lot of sindhis hated him for it but he still did it!

if "MUHAJIRS!" were persecuted then Musharraf would have never become army chief! and zia-ul-haq also came from jalander india so he is technically a muhajir too!

so clearly stories made up by MQM to brain wash children like HITLER used to do with its NAZI kids cannot be classified as "facts"

 

[W.11]

facts need proof! not script writing skills!

then where is your counter proof?

 

[ice_man]

then where is your counter proof?

basic logic 101 suggests you give proof then I counter it! AND PROOF SHOULD NOT BE MQM sources clearly!


but biggest proof is that BHUTTO MADE URDU THE OFFICAL LANAGUAGE OF PAKISTAN!!

 

[W.11]

basic logic 101 suggests you give proof then I counter it! AND PROOF SHOULD NOT BE MQM sources clearly!


but biggest proof is that BHUTTO MADE URDU THE OFFICAL LANAGUAGE OF PAKISTAN!!

you need proof? starting reading your own country's history first?

 

[ice_man]

you need proof? starting reading your own country's history first?

I read history and clearly NOT MQM fed history!!! and clearly it said that BHUTTO MADE URDU THE OFFICAL LANGUAGE! and that upset a lot of sindhis!

secondly if "MUHAJIR" I hate that word but Urdu speaking people were sidelined tell me ONE THING just one! HOW DID MUSHARRAF BECOME FIRST ARMY CHIEF THEN DICTATOR FOR 10 years????

as for "muhajir" zia-ul-haq was a "muhajir" too!

 

[W.11]

I read history and clearly NOT MQM fed history!!! and clearly it said that BHUTTO MADE URDU THE OFFICAL LANGUAGE! and that upset a lot of sindhis!

secondly if "MUHAJIR" I hate that word but Urdu speaking people were sidelined tell me ONE THING just one! HOW DID MUSHARRAF BECOME FIRST ARMY CHIEF THEN DICTATOR FOR 10 years????

as for "muhajir" zia-ul-haq was a "muhajir" too!

you are idiot to think that urdu was made official language by bhutto, clearly the history lessons for beginners suggest why the bengalis started opposing urdu language and pakistani passport had only urdu written on it and not sindh, punjabi etc?

as regards to your other bullshitt, whats stated here is the history you need to proof that its a myth

 

[truthseer]

facts need proof! not script writing skills!

what you wrote is nothing but a myth made up by MQM!

Urdu was made the NATIONAL LANGUAGE under ZULFIQAR BHUTTO! and a lot of sindhis hated him for it but he still did it!

if "MUHAJIRS!" were persecuted then Musharraf would have never become army chief! and zia-ul-haq also came from jalander india so he is technically a muhajir too!

so clearly stories made up by MQM to brain wash children like HITLER used to do with its NAZI kids cannot be classified as "facts"

Well, here's one proof that Muhajirs didn't love Bhutto. Zia funded MQM, and he wouldn't do it if we all loved Bhutto, would he?

But sure....
Google the Aligarh and Qasba colony massacres, I'm not sure sharing links to other foras is allowed or not.

Here is Aligarh colony
Who did the Massacre of January 4 1965 in Karachi « PKPolitics Discuss
Qasba Aligarh Massacre | Pak Tea House

I read history and clearly NOT MQM fed history!!! and clearly it said that BHUTTO MADE URDU THE OFFICAL LANGUAGE! and that upset a lot of sindhis!

secondly if "MUHAJIR" I hate that word but Urdu speaking people were sidelined tell me ONE THING just one! HOW DID MUSHARRAF BECOME FIRST ARMY CHIEF THEN DICTATOR FOR 10 years????

as for "muhajir" zia-ul-haq was a "muhajir" too!

Urdu was the official language from the beginning. Bhutto removed Bengali as the 2nd official language BECAUSE East Pakistan separated. Read some history, wy don't you?

And we're not claiming Zia was bad, are we?

 

[Fracker]

I realise that some of you are unaware of the reasons behind the formation of MQM. I'm throwing out a disclaimer here that this is not about the history after 1990 and I don't support any action of MQM after that period. I am talking about the period before that and the reasons why the people of Karachi support this party. I would also like to thank S.Y.A for enlightening me on some of the points.

Background
This extends to well before the APMSO or MQM came into being. However, this explains a lot of things. Let's start with the elections in 1965. Fatima Jinnah was beaten in an election that many called unfair. What happened after this is important. There were many protests and then Gohar Ayub took out a victory rally through Laloo Khet, an area where Fatima Jinnah was supported. The Pakhtoons he brought in were used to kill many Urdu Speaking people who supported Fatimah Jinnah. This led to riots, and eventually Ayub Khan had to resign. After this, Bhutto was elected to power. This incident is the start of the MQM for many.

What happens next is that Bhutto came to power, after the separation of East Pakistan. Many in Karachi went to protest. Now a famous incident of Gohar's work was that he dragged a girl around town with a Sandal around her neck calling her, "Madar-e-Millat", as an insult to Fatimah Jinnah. Many called on Bhutto to take action against him and some people told him this with sandals in their hands.

This infuriated Bhutto and he used the FSF on the people. Symbolically, Bhutto replaced the attacks on some people with sticks, with attacks with guns. Therefore, this problem grew greater and greater, until once again rumors of rigging led to mass protests and another change came in. However, this next phase officially marks the start of the MQM.

History
Altaf Hussain and his class mates protested against the quota system by burning their examination papers and the APMSO was born. Just then, there are still allegations that he burnt the flag. I personally don't believe them but if you consider the past 20 years of history up to that point, I wouldn't blame him if it were true.

In response, there was now a new massacre, the Aligarh colony massacre. Women were raped, children killed and an entire colony decimated. The same was repeated at the Qasba colony. Altaf Hussain called a mass meeting and announced that he would take on the Pakhtoons who did this. Sadly, it led to, as usual, mass killing of a race instead of the targets. Zia Ul Haq supported the MQM at this point, for obvious reasons.

1. The Pakhtoons supported the PPP and Bhutto
2. The people were being slaughtered for no reason.

Therefore, armed well, MQM took on the Pashtuns and called for their removal from Karachi. This led to more and more killings until Benazir returned.

A short word about the army operation that Ms.Bhutto then made. It was not fair, it was not good. It was done because the people did not support PPP. It is on record that many civilians were killed just for being Muhajirs.

Conclusion

What happened till the 90's is just a travesty of justice and it is hoped this will never happen. However, this does NOT excuse the Bhatta Khori of today but it explains it. MQM is a reactionary party to a violent event which turned into a political one. It may not be perfect but past events show why Karachi votes for them.

Massacres take years to forget and the last one was under 20 years ago. Is it a surprise that people still vote MQM?

The nation must take responsibility for what happened over that time. That is the way to progress.

Where is the story of "Muthihada" vs "Haqiqi"? Where is the story of "Bori Band" Lash? Where is the story of killing all the law enforcement people who involved in 1992 operation? Where is the story if those all Pathans who run away from Karachi just because MQM Boys were destroying their property and was going to be killed. Where is the story of "Average" Karachi, who have no clue how to get rid of these people. Where is the people of those many Mahajirs who left "MQM" controlled areas just because they were feeling threatened. Where is the story of "No Go Areas" the legacy started by MQM?

PPP-Karachi and MQM are two side of One coin, so that explains your support for MQM

 

[truthseer]

Where is the story of "Muthihada" vs "Haqiqi"? Where is the story of "Bori Band" Lash? Where is the story of killing all the law enforcement people who involved in 1992 operation? Where is the story if those all Pathans who run away from Karachi just because MQM Boys were destroying their property and was going to be killed. Where is the story of "Average" Karachi, who have no clue how to get rid of these people. Where is the people of those many Mahajirs who left "MQM" controlled areas just because they were feeling threatened. Where is the story of "No Go Areas" the legacy started by MQM?

PPP-Karachi and MQM are two side of One coin, so that explains your support for MQM

This is not about the history after 1990 and I don't support any action of MQM after that period

 

[ice_man]

Well, here's one proof that Muhajirs didn't love Bhutto. Zia funded MQM, and he wouldn't do it if we all loved Bhutto, would he?

But sure....
Google the Aligarh and Qasba colony massacres, I'm not sure sharing links to other foras is allowed or not.

Here is Aligarh colony
Who did the Massacre of January 4 1965 in Karachi « PKPolitics Discuss
Qasba Aligarh Massacre | Pak Tea House



Urdu was the official language from the beginning. Bhutto removed Bengali as the 2nd official language BECAUSE East Pakistan separated. Read some history, wy don't you?

And we're not claiming Zia was bad, are we?

goooooooood so now you come back with TOTAL MQM made up bull! what about 12th may massacre which the world saw on live tv?


and qasba ali garh was a lie done by MQM itself! to itself & hence the "LASHOUN KI SISAYAT" started!



IF for a minute I believe that ALI GARH incident was true then why did MQM sit in government for LAST 5 years with PPP and before that 8 years with ARMY and never complain about Aligarh or qasba???



clearly Zardari doesn't complain about BB murder case because you & I both know who killed her! same way MQM did qasba ali garh drama and now after 9 years in government they remember it again!

 

[truthseer]

goooooooood so now you come back with TOTAL MQM made up bull! what about 12th may massacre which the world saw on live tv?


and qasba ali garh was a lie done by MQM itself! to itself & hence the "LASHOUN KI SISAYAT" started!



IF for a minute I believe that ALI GARH incident was true then why did MQM sit in government for LAST 5 years with PPP and before that 8 years with ARMY and never complain about Aligarh or qasba???



clearly Zardari doesn't complain about BB murder case because you & I both know who killed her! same way MQM did qasba ali garh drama and now after 9 years in government they remember it again!

Wow, MQM did an incident in 1965 when it didn't even exist.

I think you lost all credibility

 

[ice_man]

you are idiot to think that urdu was made official language by bhutto, clearly the history lessons for beginners suggest why the bengalis started opposing urdu language and pakistani passport had only urdu written on it and not sindh, punjabi etc?

as regards to your other bullshitt, whats stated here is the history you need to proof that its a myth

psycho boy! please realize you need to give proof to back up your argument only then will someone counter it! you can't get a counter if you give no fact.

but still because I am arguing with an idiot & today I am bored so I will still give you a FACT that BHUTTO MADE URDU the official language of Pakistan!

A Brief History of Pakistan - James Wynbrandt - Google Books


secondly ANSWER MY QUESTION!

1) HOW DID MUSHARRAF BECOME ARMY CHIEF & DICTATOR OF PAKISTAN? if he was an Urdu speaking & their was "hatred" against Urdu speaking??

Wow, MQM did an incident in 1965 when it didn't even exist.

I think you lost all credibility

woow you ignored everything I said and picked ut 1965? I am talking about qasba Aligarh drama !


IF for a minute I believe that ALI GARH incident was true then why did MQM sit in government for LAST 5 years with PPP and before that 8 years with ARMY and never complain about Aligarh or qasba???



clearly Zardari doesn't complain about BB murder case because you & I both know who killed her! same way MQM did qasba ali garh drama and now after 9 years in government they remember it again!

 

[truthseer]

psycho boy! please realize you need to give proof to back up your argument only then will someone counter it! you can't get a counter if you give no fact.

but still because I am arguing with an idiot & today I am bored so I will still give you a FACT that BHUTTO MADE URDU the official language of Pakistan!

A Brief History of Pakistan - James Wynbrandt - Google Books


secondly ANSWER MY QUESTION!

1) HOW DID MUSHARRAF BECOME ARMY CHIEF & DICTATOR OF PAKISTAN? if he was an Urdu speaking & their was "hatred" against Urdu speaking??

How about I give you something better than a book?

Here's the 56 constitution
Urdu and Bengali were made official languages

1962
Urdu and Bengali were made official languages

As for Bhutto:-

In accordance with article 251 of the present constitution Urdu has been declared as national language of Pakistan but the official language is English.


In this way, Urdu actually lost a bit of its status

woow you ignored everything I said and picked ut 1965? I am talking about qasba Aligarh drama !


IF for a minute I believe that ALI GARH incident was true then why did MQM sit in government for LAST 5 years with PPP and before that 8 years with ARMY and never complain about Aligarh or qasba???



clearly Zardari doesn't complain about BB murder case because you & I both know who killed her! same way MQM did qasba ali garh drama and now after 9 years in government they remember it again!

For the national interest. MQM knows that there's no point saying anything over 20 years after the incident, there's no proof, no nothing.

And so easy for you to say that MQM did it, innocent people died, many of them wives and children of MQM workers. Obviously, just say MQM did it. That moment is the reason MQM has any power in the first place, they weren't strong enough to carry out anything that blatant before then. It was after this that Altaf asked for arms and said he'd drive all the Pashtuns out of Karachi.