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I realise that some of you are unaware of the reasons behind the formation of MQM. I'm throwing out a disclaimer here that this is not about the history after 1990 and I don't support any action of MQM after that period. I am talking about the period before that and the reasons why the people of Karachi support this party. I would also like to thank S.Y.A for enlightening me on some of the points.

Background
This extends to well before the APMSO or MQM came into being. However, this explains a lot of things. Let's start with the elections in 1965. Fatima Jinnah was beaten in an election that many called unfair. What happened after this is important. There were many protests and then Gohar Ayub took out a victory rally through Laloo Khet, an area where Fatima Jinnah was supported. The Pakhtoons he brought in were used to kill many Urdu Speaking people who supported Fatimah Jinnah. This led to riots, and eventually Ayub Khan had to resign. After this, Bhutto was elected to power. This incident is the start of the MQM for many.

What happens next is that Bhutto came to power, after the separation of East Pakistan. Many in Karachi went to protest. Now a famous incident of Gohar's work was that he dragged a girl around town with a Sandal around her neck calling her, "Madar-e-Millat", as an insult to Fatimah Jinnah. Many called on Bhutto to take action against him and some people told him this with sandals in their hands.

This infuriated Bhutto and he used the FSF on the people. Symbolically, Bhutto replaced the attacks on some people with sticks, with attacks with guns. Therefore, this problem grew greater and greater, until once again rumors of rigging led to mass protests and another change came in. However, this next phase officially marks the start of the MQM.

History
Altaf Hussain and his class mates protested against the quota system by burning their examination papers and the APMSO was born. Just then, there are still allegations that he burnt the flag. I personally don't believe them but if you consider the past 20 years of history up to that point, I wouldn't blame him if it were true.

In response, there was now a new massacre, the Aligarh colony massacre. Women were raped, children killed and an entire colony decimated. The same was repeated at the Qasba colony. Altaf Hussain called a mass meeting and announced that he would take on the Pakhtoons who did this. Sadly, it led to, as usual, mass killing of a race instead of the targets. Zia Ul Haq supported the MQM at this point, for obvious reasons.

1. The Pakhtoons supported the PPP and Bhutto
2. The people were being slaughtered for no reason.

Therefore, armed well, MQM took on the Pashtuns and called for their removal from Karachi. This led to more and more killings until Benazir returned.

A short word about the army operation that Ms.Bhutto then made. It was not fair, it was not good. It was done because the people did not support PPP. It is on record that many civilians were killed just for being Muhajirs.

Conclusion

What happened till the 90's is just a travesty of justice and it is hoped this will never happen. However, this does NOT excuse the Bhatta Khori of today but it explains it. MQM is a reactionary party to a violent event which turned into a political one. It may not be perfect but past events show why Karachi votes for them.

Massacres take years to forget and the last one was under 20 years ago. Is it a surprise that people still vote MQM?

The nation must take responsibility for what happened over that time. That is the way to progress.
 
good story telling skills BUT NO FACTS!!!!

History
Altaf Hussain and his class mates protested against the quota system by burning their examination papers and the APMSO was born. Just then, there are still allegations that he burnt the flag. I personally don't believe them but if you consider the past 20 years of history up to that point, I wouldn't blame him if it were true.



and this bold part that I quoted of your's shame on you! next you swill say I don't blame bugtti for being ghadaar!

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/national-political-issues/259739-history-mqm.html#ixzz2Wx4aBleE
 
good story telling skills BUT NO FACTS!!!!

History
Altaf Hussain and his class mates protested against the quota system by burning their examination papers and the APMSO was born. Just then, there are still allegations that he burnt the flag. I personally don't believe them but if you consider the past 20 years of history up to that point, I wouldn't blame him if it were true.



and this bold part that I quoted of your's shame on you! next you swill say I don't blame bugtti for being ghadaar!

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/national-political-issues/259739-history-mqm.html#ixzz2Wx4aBleE

I said I don't believe them, and I wouldn't blame them if true AT THAT POINT.

I've also said
I don't support any action of MQM after that period
 
I said I don't believe them, and I wouldn't blame them if true AT THAT POINT.

I've also said
I don't support any action of MQM after that period

but you spent half an hour typing up "NON BELIEVING" stories? so if you don't "blame them" then I guess you will say BLA are also not to be blamed for blowing up ziarat?

stop trying to hide and admit it you are hard core brain washed MQM fan boy. ;)
 
but you spent half an hour typing up "NON BELIEVING" stories? so if you don't "blame them" then I guess you will say BLA are also not to be blamed for blowing up ziarat?

stop trying to hide and admit it you are hard core brain washed MQM fan boy. ;)

I support PPP

And even if I did, there's no reason why I shouldn't support them
 
This looks like a typical fairy tale from an MQM supporter. Constant repeating of how we were "oppressed" and subjugated. Fatima Jinnah was a national heroine and supporting her was every patriotic Pakistani. This is a classic example of turning a National problem into an ethnic problem and MQM minds are superb at this. All of Pakistan was with Fatima Jinnah as she was related to Jinnah the founding father of Pakistan. Ayub Khan can never be a hero for any patriotic Pakistani but still to prove there was (non-existant) oppression of urdu speakers this is repeated over and over.

Ayub Khan didn't bring Pashtuns to Karachi. This is another myth. In any case even if Pashtuns did come to Karachi what is the problem. This country belongs to each one of us and any one of us can go anywhere we see fit in here.

Our entire extended family supports the MQM. This party has caused a lot of damage to Pakistan. My advice to MQM, ANP and BSO-A supporters is support this country's unity and be its strenght. Don't get bogged down in ethnic politics and drown this nation in its murky depths.
 
Ayub Khan didn't bring Pashtuns to Karachi. This is another myth. In any case even if Pashtuns did come to Karachi what is the problem. This country belongs to each one of us and any one of us can go anywhere we see fit in here.

so this is a myth now? and you are the first myth buster?
 
good story telling skills BUT NO FACTS!!!!

History
Altaf Hussain and his class mates protested against the quota system by burning their examination papers and the APMSO was born. Just then, there are still allegations that he burnt the flag. I personally don't believe them but if you consider the past 20 years of history up to that point, I wouldn't blame him if it were true.



and this bold part that I quoted of your's shame on you! next you swill say I don't blame bugtti for being ghadaar!

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/national-political-issues/259739-history-mqm.html#ixzz2Wx4aBleE

bring your facts to counter his, just dont become a judge & jurry?
 
This looks like a typical fairy tale from an MQM supporter. Constant repeating of how we were "oppressed" and subjugated. Fatima Jinnah was a national heroine and supporting her was every patriotic Pakistani. This is a classic example of turning a National problem into an ethnic problem and MQM minds are superb at this. All of Pakistan was with Fatima Jinnah as she was related to Jinnah the founding father of Pakistan. Ayub Khan can never be a hero for any patriotic Pakistani but still to prove there was (non-existant) oppression of urdu speakers this is repeated over and over.

Ayub Khan didn't bring Pashtuns to Karachi. This is another myth. In any case even if Pashtuns did come to Karachi what is the problem. This country belongs to each one of us and any one of us can go anywhere we see fit in here.

Our entire extended family supports the MQM. This party has caused a lot of damage to Pakistan. My advice to MQM, ANP and BSO-A supporters is support this country's unity and be its strenght. Don't get bogged down in ethnic politics and drown this nation in its murky depths.

Bro, these are facts. In fact, a simple Google Search can verify all of this. And you can ask your family. Again, coming of Pashtuns is not the problem, the people he brought happened to be Pashtun. The key is why they were brought and how it increased tensions
 
Bro, these are facts. In fact, a simple Google Search can verify all of this. And you can ask your family. Again, coming of Pashtuns is not the problem, the people he brought happened to be Pashtun. The key is why they were brought and how it increased tensions

I have also heard various stories of Mr.Hussein and his 'struggle'.
The reason that pro-MQM followers usually explain is that rights of Urdu speaking people were not given,and yes I have also heard of quota story of his.
Truthseer,I thank you very much for expressing your views and concepts about Karachi's past history.

I am not here to have an argument about Karachi's past history,but I want to express the psychology due to which people of Karachi usually votes for MQM.

--Urdu speaking people who always vote MQM believes that MQM provides safeguard to their rights.
--MQM always win with majority because people don't trust on other parties.
--Many have fear that their rights will be snatched if MQM lost it's administration.

That is why specific group of people do vote for MQM and tolerate their 'Bhatta' system.
And I admit that MQM has introduced some good people for administrative purposes like Ex-mayor Karachi Mr.Kamal.

Yelling and insulting is not a solution to resolve problems.
If other parties would like to take MQM's place they must make people of Karachi feel safe,by their great work and good support,they can make them realize that they can provide better safeguard to their rights and life rather then snatching them.
 
I have also heard various stories of Mr.Hussein and his 'struggle'.
The reason that pro-MQM followers usually explain is that rights of Urdu speaking people were not given,and yes I have also heard of quota story of his.
Truthseer,I thank you very much for expressing your views and concepts about Karachi's past history.

I am not here to have an argument about Karachi's past history,but I want to express the psychology due to which people of Karachi usually votes for MQM.

--Urdu speaking people who always vote MQM believes that MQM provides safeguard to their rights.
--MQM always win with majority because people don't trust on other parties.
--Many have fear that their rights will be snatched if MQM lost it's administration.

That is why specific group of people do vote for MQM and tolerate their 'Bhatta' system.
And I admit that MQM has introduced some good people for administrative purposes like Ex-mayor Karachi Mr.Kamal.

Yelling and insulting is not a solution to resolve problems.
If other parties would like to take MQM's place they must make people of Karachi feel safe,by their great work and good support,they can make them realize that they can provide better safeguard to their rights and life rather then snatching them.

Agreed, that is the mindset. Unless the other parties are able to assure the people of Karachi this, they won't get votes. The only party that has assured them is the PTI and that is why they got votes. They should be careful though, MQM is spreading vicious anti-PTI propaganda now.
 
Agreed, that is the mindset. Unless the other parties are able to assure the people of Karachi this, they won't get votes. The only party that has assured them is the PTI and that is why they got votes. They should be careful though, MQM is spreading vicious anti-PTI propaganda now.

wow in jump you goes to support PTI in karachi?
it really shows how you hve been trained by zardari sect of peoples party?
well its simple karachi,s urdu speaking community doesnt want to stand in front of any wadera, or jaggirdar from out of karachi, just begging his signature on the addmission form of his son or daughter for any uni or college in karachi?
can PTI solve it? by giving ticket to a mustafa kamal in peshawar? no i dont think so?
 
Agreed, that is the mindset. Unless the other parties are able to assure the people of Karachi this, they won't get votes. The only party that has assured them is the PTI and that is why they got votes. They should be careful though, MQM is spreading vicious anti-PTI propaganda now.

Definitely,Now PTI is facing a great challenge--KPK.
If they succeed by showing great performance,then their popularity will increase in Karachi.
If they loose,due to interference of PML-N,and their performance is hinder due to government's denial,then their popularity will be decreased..
My best wishes for PTI and I pray for it's success.
 
wow in jump you goes to support PTI in karachi?
it really shows how you hve been trained by zardari sect of peoples party?
well its simple karachi,s urdu speaking community doesnt want to stand in front of any wadera, or jaggirdar from out of karachi, just begging his signature on the addmission form of his son or daughter for any uni or college in karachi?
can PTI solve it? by giving ticket to a mustafa kamal in peshawar? no i dont think so?

I'm not saying that but in Defence and Clifton, PTI got more support than anyone expected
 

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