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Read an article on force conversion issue in TIME magazine in 2006/07 when I was in college , many such girls are generally sold off in future as keeps. That was a print edition and I dont have any such link so perhaps many readers would not trust it. As they say if a tree fell in the jungle and no one saw it falling, then did it fall !

Brave girl, she took everything on her to save her family.
 
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If the courts rule that she converted without force, then Sharia law will be applicable if she tries to escape from Islam.

Apparently the judge had no objection to her being slapped in Court.

Pakistanis have successfully made Islam into a mafia like organization. once you enter, you cannot leave alive.
 
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Matters are decided in courts and courts value witness testimonies.

Pakistani government followed procedure on this case. Most likelihood things are what they appear to be - the family made a national issue over their daughter eloping in love.

ok.. in case she was forcefully converted, can she revert to her previous religion? or will she be treated as an apostate and given death sentence?

There is no such thing as forcefully converted, you are not branded on your behind that there is anything physical that needs to be done. You believe you're a Muslims - and you are. If anyone was forced, they were forced to pretend to be Muslims - no one can make you believe that you're Muslim if you don't want to.

ok.. in case she was forcefully converted, can she revert to her previous religion? or will she be treated as an apostate and given death sentence?

There is no such thing as forcefully converted, you are not branded on your behind that there is anything physical that needs to be done. You believe you're a Muslims - and you are. If anyone was forced, they were forced to pretend to be Muslims - no one can make you believe that you're Muslim if you don't want to.
 
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Why are secular Indians bothered on what is happening inside Pakistan?

Faryal is assuring everyone that she converted on her own will, after falling in love with a Muslim boy, and urges the court to take her away from her Hindu parents who are trying to force her to re-convert, which she doesn't want to.

It is funny, how sympathetic everyone here is with Faryal, claiming her to be a forced convert, whereas we must be sympathetic with her cause her Hindu parents are trying hard way to bring her back. Some people here cannot digest the fact, and start saying Islam to be 'mafia' when they fail at a mature debate...
 
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Why are secular Indians bothered on what is happening inside Pakistan?

Faryal is assuring everyone that she converted on her own will, after falling in love with a Muslim boy, and urges the court to take her away from her Hindu parents who are trying to force her to re-convert, which she doesn't want to.

It is funny, how sympathetic everyone here is with Faryal, claiming her to be a forced convert, whereas we must be sympathetic with her cause her Hindu parents are trying hard way to bring her back. Some people here cannot digest the fact, and start saying Islam to be 'mafia' when they fail at a mature debate...

From where I stand, what ever she wants to do of her free will (without being slapped in a court room and pressurized) should be the way forward and anyone preventing her from doing that, whether its her parents or extremist mullahs of the region should be handled without care :)
 
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From where I stand, what ever she wants to do of her free will (without being slapped in a court room and pressurized) should be the way forward and anyone preventing her from doing that, whether its her parents or extremist mullahs of the region should be handled without care :)

I agree.

Forcing a non-Muslim to accept Islam by threats of life, rape (this case, as she is a girl) or kidnapping is illegal and if the subjected/targeted person listens to the person, he won't be considered a Muslim and can leave, and he didn't accept it in the first case.
 
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she should have thought about her family:hitwall:.Her family will continue to mourn this decision.
this made me cry.
its very difficult to live when our own hurts us..leave others..

If you study real Islam and follow it.....the peace of mind and heart you will get then the love of near relatives become secondary thing.
 
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If you study real Islam and follow it.....the peace of mind and heart you will get then the love of near relatives become secondary thing.

What you say might be right but in the sense you say it is wrong imho. I think, purpose of ANY religion Islam included was not to make people love the Gods, God himself says I do not need your prayers and love, and frankly speaking, why would a God of the whole universe need prayers of a humans? I think, the purpose of all religions was actually to make THIS world better place for humans to live, which can only be done through love of humans,. Those who will make this world a better place for other humans to live will get a better place (Jannah) in the after world. Those who would make this place a bad place for other humans will get a bad place (Jahannam) in the after world. Why would have God told Muslims that I will forgive the duties not fulfilled which are due to me but I won't forgive the duties due to other humans. Though why we should love God more than humans, its because sometimes we can be prejudiced towards some and against some. Its at that time that we should follow the righteous path and not the path our love would dictate and thats why we need to love God more.
 
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GHOTKI, Pakistan — Banditry is an old scourge in this impoverished district of southern Pakistan, on the plains between the mighty river Indus and a sprawling desert, where roving gangs rob and kidnap with abandon. Lately, though, local passions have stirred with allegations of an unusual theft: that of a young woman’s heart.


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Sulachany Devi, left, and Nand Lal are pleading for the return of their daughter, Rinkel Kumari. Ms. Kumari’s family says her marriage and conversion were at gunpoint.
In the predawn darkness on Feb. 24, Rinkel Kumari, a 19-year-old student from a Hindu family, disappeared from her home in Mirpur Mathelo, a small village off a busy highway in Sindh Province. Hours later, she resurfaced 12 miles away, at the home of a prominent Muslim cleric who phoned her parents with news that distressed them: Their daughter wished to convert to Islam, he said.

Their protests were futile. By sunset, Ms. Kumari had become a Muslim, married a young Muslim man, and changed her name to Faryal Bibi.

Over the past month, this conversion has generated an acrid controversy that has reverberated far beyond its origins in small-town Pakistan, whipping up a news media frenzy that has traced ugly sectarian divisions and renewed a wider debate about the protection of vulnerable minorities in a country that has so often failed them.

At its heart, though, it is a head-on clash of narratives and motives.

Hindu leaders insist that Ms. Kumari was abducted at gunpoint and forced to abandon her religion. Local Muslim leaders say she wanted to marry her secret sweetheart: Naveed Shah, a young neighbor who said he had been conducting a secret courtship with her via mobile phone and the Internet for several months. Ms. Kumari, for her part, has said in a court filing and media interviews that she converted of her free will — but public figures have questioned whether she had been pressed or intimidated into saying that.

The truth may emerge Monday, when the young woman is due to testify before the Supreme Court in Islamabad. For the past two weeks she has been sequestered in a women’s shelter in Karachi on court orders. When she takes the stand on Monday, many Pakistanis hope she can resolve the central mystery: where do her religious, and romantic, intentions lie?

In one sense, the drama is an old story in South Asia, where the contours of society have been shaped by waves of conversions over the centuries. Since the founding of Pakistan, most conversions are to Islam, the state religion. But such conversions usually take place quietly, even in an organized fashion, and the unusual furor surrounding the latest case stems partly from the brash manner of her conversion at the hands of a divisive local politician, Mian Mitho.

After Ms. Kumari declared herself a Muslim in her town court on Feb. 27, Mr. Mitho triumphantly led the new convert from the courthouse, parading her before thousands of cheering supporters. Then he drove her in a caravan to an ancient Sufi religious shrine controlled by his family and famed as a site where Hindus have been converted.

There, Ms. Kumari was welcomed by Mr. Mitho’s elderly brother, Mian Shaman — the same cleric who had converted her three days earlier — who led her into the towering shrine. When she emerged, now wearing a black veil, gunmen unleashed volleys of celebratory Kalashnikov fire into the air and shouted “God is calling you!”

Hindu leaders, enraged, viewed the images as a crass provocation. “If the couple was really in love, then why this fanfare of guns?” said Amarnath Motumal, a Hindu lawyer and human rights activist in Karachi. “It clearly shows they are trying to embarrass the Hindu community and are bent on taking our girls forcefully.”

Ms. Kumari’s parents pursued the case through the courts, claiming that their daughter had been abducted by a Muslim supremacist, and that the police and judiciary were biased against them because they came from a minority background.

“Mian Mitho is a terrorist and a thug. He takes the girls, and keeps them in his home for sexual purposes,” said Ms. Kumari’s father, Nand Lal, a government schoolteacher, noting that Mr. Mitho’s armed guards had escorted his daughter to court appearances and news conferences. His wife, Sulachany Devi, issued an anguished appeal. “Rinkel was my blood, and she remains my blood. All I want is for her to return home,” she said.

Mr. Mitho, in an interview, denied the allegations against him. “I am merely protecting her human rights,” he said. And at the Sufi shrine in Ghotki district, his brother, the cleric who converted Ms. Kumari, was equally unapologetic.
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Sindh, where Ghotki is located, is known for tolerance.


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Newspaper clippings show Rinkel Kumari with her new husband, Naveed Shah.
“We are saving them from the fires of hell,” said Mian Shaman, a frail man in his 70s with a mottled complexion and a wavering voice. “We consider they are born again, and the sins of their previous life are washed away.”

Mr. Shaman estimated he had converted 200 people the previous year. He insisted none had been coerced. “Forced conversions are not permitted in Islam,” he said firmly.

Mr. Shaman led the way into the mosque, a spectacular building covered in intricately patterned indigo tiles and a carved wooden roof. Then he walked into the adjacent shrine, where murmuring pilgrims rocked back and forth in front of four tombs containing the bones of the cleric’s ancestors.

Women are not permitted inside, he said — they may only peek through a small barred window in the tomb wall — but he made an exception for Ms. Kumari. “She was a special lady,” he said.

The case has caused division within the ruling Pakistan Peoples Party, of which Mr. Mitho is a member. Earlier this month, President Asif Ali Zardari privately intervened to have Ms. Kumari taken into protective custody. Later, the president’s sister, Dr. Azra Fazal Pechuho, delivered an impassioned speech to Parliament about the plight of the Hindu community.

“I have a lot of discomfort with this kind of behavior,” said a senior party member from Sindh Province, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the political delicacy of the matter. “The state is not giving the Hindus an equal environment. So they are turning to a narrative of forced conversion to fight back.”

Pir Muhammad Shah, the local police chief, agreed that Mr. Mitho’s actions had aggravated the situation. “It teased the whole Hindu community, and led them to believe the conversion had been done at gunpoint.”

Although Pakistan is blighted by sectarian bloodshed, rural Sindh Province is a relative beacon of religious tolerance. The majority of the country’s Hindus, estimated to number more than three million people, live here, and they have a history of tranquil co-existence with Muslims. The two communities share religious festivals, go into business together, and attend one another’s weddings and funerals.

Yet it remains a delicate social balance. In many Sindhi towns, wealthy Hindu traders have been targeted by kidnappers. Conversions, which are freighted with notions of collective honor, can present a jarring social fault line. Officials with the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan have spoken of up to 20 forced conversions a month — and Hindu families fleeing for India — but they admit that the research is thin.

As Ms. Kumari’s anticipated court date nears, it has revived many old tensions. And while no one is expecting widespread violence in her case, in some of its particulars it bears a remarkable resemblance to an earlier conversion scandal — one in 1936, when a British magistrate returned a Hindu girl to her parents after she had been converted. The result was an 11-year uprising by Muslim Pashtun tribesmen that at one point involved 40,000 British troops.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/26/world/asia/pakistani-hindus-say-womans-conversion-to-islam-was-coerced.html?pagewanted=2&_r=2
 
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There, Ms. Kumari was welcomed by Mr. Mitho’s elderly brother, Mian Shaman — the same cleric who had converted her three days earlier — who led her into the towering shrine. When she emerged, now wearing a black veil, gunmen unleashed volleys of celebratory Kalashnikov fire into the air and shouted “God is calling you!”

“We are saving them from the fires of hell,” said Mian Shaman, a frail man in his 70s with a mottled complexion and a wavering voice. “We consider they are born again, and the sins of their previous life are washed away.”

Truly..A pathetic society which defends people like him...This b@st@rd will go to hell.....

Hindu leaders, enraged, viewed the images as a crass provocation. “If the couple was really in love, then why this fanfare of guns?” said Amarnath Motumal, a Hindu lawyer and human rights activist in Karachi. “It clearly shows they are trying to embarrass the Hindu community and are bent on taking our girls forcefully.”
 
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This is really sick...this b@stards should have known that Islam doesn't support Forced conversion. They are driven by their sexual lust. shame on them.
 
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Disgusting persons taking advantage of those weak i hope they burn in hell.
 
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may be this is how the Hindu population has decreased in pakistan. Jinnah's dream broke again in the land of "pure".
 
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