Gupta family's lies on CMP exposed: YLH

[SoulSpokesman]

@Joe Shearer @El Sidd @Chak Bamu

http://pakteahouse.net/2017/10/08/g...about-cabinet-mission-plan-exposed-yet-again/

Ever since the 1990s, when it became clear and the new academic orthodoxy that Jinnah had settled for Cabinet Mission Plan which would kept India united on fair and equitable terms for all Indians Hindus, Muslims and Dalits, Caste Hindu fanatics and NRIs like MacGupta aka Arun Gupta of New Jersey and his obsessed dishonest sister Sadhana Gupta (who also goes by Sadna Gupta) have come up lies after lies about Cabinet Mission Plan. One of the ridiculous formulations put into motion by these deliberately dishonest caste Hindu NRIs was this notion that had India accepted the Cabinet Mission Plan, Pakistan provinces would have driven the rest of India against its will into Afghan Jehad in the 1980s.

When this preposterous and ridiculous theory was first aired by Sadna Gupta on a website called Chowk.com, I pointed out from the text of the Cabinet Mission Plan, that there was a dual communal veto – that neither Hindus nor Muslims could take an action unilaterally unless a majority of both agreed to a course of action. Once Sadna’s lies were exposed in such a blatant fashion, she adopted this new fanciful theory which I reproduce in full:

(Please refer link above)

Sadna Gupta is one of the most dishonest people you will come across on the internet. Yes Jinnah demanded that Indian army be split into two and reconstituted but that was before the Cabinet Mission Plan. The Cabinet Mission Plan DID NOT PROVIDE FOR SEPARATION OF INDIAN ARMY INTO TWO. JINNAH ACCEPTED THE CABINET MISSION PLAN AS IS. For Jinnah the demand for Pakistan as for reconstitution of army were maximum demands but he accepted the Cabinet Mission Plan without any amendments or spurious interpretations that Congress leaders gave it.

So entire scenario conjured up in thin air by the Guptas of New Jersey shows me just how deep their hatred for anything Pakistani or Muslim is. And the tragedy is that there are people who actually consider them honest interlocutors.

So long as I am alive I will continue to expose the lies of these fanatics, be they the Guptas of New Jersey or the Khatme-e-Nabuwat/Ahrar fanatics from Pakistan. They are one and the same. The historic product of diseased mentality.

Regards

 

[El Sidd]

and your point is?

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@El Sidd

El Sidd mian,

I wanted to expose the malicious propaganda against Jinnah sahib and the Pakistan Movement.

Regards

 

[El Sidd]

@El Sidd

El Sidd mian,

I wanted to expose the malicious propaganda against Jinnah sahib and the Pakistan Movement.

Regards

Indian Muslim studying Jinnah. Lol that cannot be good for India on any level.

If you are an Indian Muslim why do you have this strange fascination towards Pakistan and its history?

The only propaganda Jinnah faces these days is the secularists who try and paint him as a champion of secularism deeply motivated by Ataturk.

My question is quite simple. Had Jinnah been secular why would he form a new country based on the 2 nation theory. Surely you do not believe in 2NT just like many secular in Pakistan as well.

 

[Sugarcane]

@El Sidd

El Sidd mian,

I wanted to expose the malicious propaganda against Jinnah sahib and the Pakistan Movement.

Regards

Frontier provinces of British India were bound to go on separate path with or without Pakistan movement.

 

[El Sidd]

Frontier provinces of British India were bound to go on separate path with or without Pakistan movement.

That is true. But they won't since we have them mainstreamed more or less.
We built a nation. We built a state. We did not build a collection of nation states unlike India.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@El Sidd

No, I am not an Indian Muslim. I am a Hindu.

Regards

 

[El Sidd]

@El Sidd

No, I am not an Indian Muslim. I am a Hindu.

Regards

it really does not matter janab. Hindu Jain Christian or Muslim. You are an Indian. And that is the most important thing.
So we can discuss social issues with each other among many other things but not the constitution of Pakistan or how we should live in our country.

There are certain boundaries certain SOPs one has to follow when interacting otherwise we will have disorder.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@El Sidd,

If I say that Pakistan should have a Constt which should be in tune with the ethos of the majority of Pakistani populace, would you consider that an interference in Pakistan's internal affairs?

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[El Sidd]

@El Sidd,

If I say that Pakistan should have a Constt which should be in tune with the ethos of the majority of Pakistani populace, would you consider that an interference in Pakistan's internal affairs?

Regards

I would consider this as the only statement relevant from an Indian about Pakistan and I can answer this with the following as well to return the favor.

India should have a constitution which mirrors the democratic will of the people.

But that is extreme length any foreign national should ideally be allowed to say but we have not just Indians but Arabs, Persians, Afghanis and Egyptians and Kurds, Americans and the British who somehow overstep the line too often enough.

Voice your opinion. Not propagate them. There is a subtle difference and if it takes disciplinary action to help you guys understand that on this forum, then so be it.

I do not know about this YLH or whatever. Seems to be a new kid on the block but surely he has his audience well covered in India more than in Pakistan.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@El Sidd,

I do not know about this YLH or whatever. Seems to be a new kid on the block but surely he has his audience well covered in India more than in Pakistan.

Mr Yasser Latif Hamdani has been writing regularly for Daily Times and Express Tribune for almost a decade now. They are Pakistani and not Indian papers as far as I know. He has also appeared on several Pak and international TV shows including Samaa TV, Geo, BBC etc.

He is no new kid on the block, his credentials are far superior to many folks here. On his mothers side he is descended from the illustrious Shah-e-Hamdaan (RA), the man who brought the noor of Islam to Kashmir. On his fathers side, an ancestor (great uncle to be precise) was the great Ghazi Ilmuddin Shaheed (RA)

Regards

 

[El Sidd]

@El Sidd,

I do not know about this YLH or whatever. Seems to be a new kid on the block but surely he has his audience well covered in India more than in Pakistan.

Mr Yasser Latif Hamdani has been writing regularly for Daily Times and Express Tribune for almost a decade now. They are Pakistani and not Indian papers as far as I know. He has also appeared on several Pak and international TV shows including Samaa TV, Geo, BBC etc.

He is no new kid on the block, his credentials are far superior to many folks here. On his mothers side he is descended from the illustrious Shah-e-Hamdaan (RA), the man who brought the noor of Islam to Kashmir. On his fathers side, an ancestor (great uncle to be precise) was the great Ghazi Ilmuddin Shaheed (RA)

Regards

Lineage credentials in 2017 is something as relevant as if Mugabe says his grand father use to hunt Lions with the Masai.
This YLH and his words are being addressed not the DNA particles so it really does not matter if his great grandfathers brough electricity to Kashmir.

Sure everyone writes articles for secularism. You can rent anyone who has a sound grip on the English language and one can write you articles. Heck I have witnessed brownies writing on the founding fathers of America.

His credentials are superior to people who have a feudal slave mentality and nothing else. Be it under religious or secular guise.

 

[Chak Bamu]

I do not know why this is important? In a generation or two, nobody would care about history of Cabinet Mission Plan. My considered opinion is that Cabinet Mission Plan would not have been able to halt the inevitable division of India. Cabinet Mission Plan and how Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah accepted it while Congress rejected it after apparently having accepted it is a great point in debates and I have used it myself many times. But my feeling is that Nehru anticipated that it would result in three, possibly four countries within a few decades. The present day Pakistan would have broken away with all of Punjab. Bengal would have broken away, along with part or whole of Assam. This would have left India quite vulnerable, with possibly South India considering its options after inevitable strategic shifts mentioned above.

Liberal thinkers, such as Yasir seem to long for a united India where Cabinet Mission Plan would have ensured a Utopia of their dreams. I too toyed with this idea, but soon realized that the formula proposed would inevitably have led to a severe back-lash from majority Hindu community which would have felt disenfranchised and even emasculated in the name of Hindu-Muslim parity.

No one can guess the pace at which Cabinet Mission Plan would have deepened already existing fissures in the imagined United Indian polity and society. It certainly would not have made things better, except in the short term. Historical processes are not beholden to personalities, no matter how tall they may be.

So, in my veiw it is futile to discuss Cabinet Mission Plan in today's context. It is nothing but a fantasy, a mental exercise. It is not worth anybody's time to discuss it with such emotions. This YLH character is quite something, really. He ought to find better use of his time and not get emotional about irrelevant fantasies.