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Greece approves F-16 fighter jet upgrade deal with the United States

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Reporting by Angeliki Koutantou; Editing by Helen Popper - REUTERS

ATHENS (Reuters) - Greece on Saturday approved a deal with the United States to upgrade dozens of its F-16 fighter jets at a cost of roughly 1.2 billion euros, a measure the bailed-out country said would not harm its future fiscal progress.

The potential deal to overhaul the aircraft came to light during a visit by Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras to the White House in October.

Greece’s top decision-making body on foreign affairs and defense matters, KYSEA, which Tsipras heads, unanimously sealed the agreement for the upgrade on Saturday, the premier’s press office said in a statement.

Three of the 85 jets earmarked for modernization will be upgraded in the United States while the rest will be refurbished in Greece, a Greek defense ministry source said, adding that the cost would be about 1.2 billion euros ($1.45 billion).

The government said last year the overhaul would be paid in annual instalments of about 110 million euros over a decade.

Athens said on Saturday that Washington had accepted a revised Greek proposal that takes into consideration the country’s fiscal obligations in the coming years. It did not give details on the revised proposal.

Greece, which will exit its third international bailout in August but will still have to attain primary budget surpluses in the medium term, has said the deal should not worry its EU lenders.

Defence spending has been reduced during Greece’s seven-year debt crisis, which shrank the size of its economy by more than a quarter and drove its jobless rate to nearly 28 percent.

However, the country still spends about 2 percent of its gross domestic product — roughly 3.5 billion euros — on defense, more than the EU’s average. That is largely due to long-standing tensions with its neighbor and fellow NATO member Turkey, which have risen in recent months.
 
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This upgrade will cover the 85 F-16 Block 52+ and Block 52+ Advanced HAF operates. The main ticker for the upgrade is the AN/APG-83 SABR AESA radar, but the changes to avionics, sensor fusion, cockpit, networking, weapon and pod certification etc will be substantial too.

A future program will use the parts obtained from this one to bring the 38 F-16 Block 50 the HAF has to block 50+ Advanced status. Regarding the 32 old F-16 block 30s the HAF has been using for close to 3 decades now, it is rumored that 12 will be sold and 20 will be retained as an operational conversion unit (OCU) for training and leading the pilots to the main platform.
 
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Greece approves F-16 fighter jet upgrade deal with the United States

RAhJgAP.jpg


Reporting by Angeliki Koutantou; Editing by Helen Popper - REUTERS

ATHENS (Reuters) - Greece on Saturday approved a deal with the United States to upgrade dozens of its F-16 fighter jets at a cost of roughly 1.2 billion euros, a measure the bailed-out country said would not harm its future fiscal progress.

The potential deal to overhaul the aircraft came to light during a visit by Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras to the White House in October.

Greece’s top decision-making body on foreign affairs and defense matters, KYSEA, which Tsipras heads, unanimously sealed the agreement for the upgrade on Saturday, the premier’s press office said in a statement.

Three of the 85 jets earmarked for modernization will be upgraded in the United States while the rest will be refurbished in Greece, a Greek defense ministry source said, adding that the cost would be about 1.2 billion euros ($1.45 billion).

The government said last year the overhaul would be paid in annual instalments of about 110 million euros over a decade.

Athens said on Saturday that Washington had accepted a revised Greek proposal that takes into consideration the country’s fiscal obligations in the coming years. It did not give details on the revised proposal.

Greece, which will exit its third international bailout in August but will still have to attain primary budget surpluses in the medium term, has said the deal should not worry its EU lenders.

Defence spending has been reduced during Greece’s seven-year debt crisis, which shrank the size of its economy by more than a quarter and drove its jobless rate to nearly 28 percent.

However, the country still spends about 2 percent of its gross domestic product — roughly 3.5 billion euros — on defense, more than the EU’s average. That is largely due to long-standing tensions with its neighbor and fellow NATO member Turkey, which have risen in recent months.
Nice paint job gotta admit, is Zeus written on the wing?
 
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Nice paint job gotta admit, is Zeus written on the wing?

Yes, that is an F-16 Blk52+ Adv. with an image of Zeus, complete with corny thunderbolts, flags, eagles and the Vergina Sun...I don't think you can go more cheesy than that (I'm a fan of more..eh..conservative designs), but it does looks somewhat interesting.

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Not a fan of F-16. I think MiG-35 is a better choice for Greece. Greece is the most pro Russia European country considering the are Orthodox and they are not uppity like Ukrainians are.
 
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Not a fan of F-16. I think MiG-35 is a better choice for Greece. Greece is the most pro Russia European country considering the are Orthodox and they are not uppity like Ukrainians are.

Back when the CFE treaty was ratified in 1992, Germany was selling literally army camps full of military equipment that belonged to the DDR before the unification.

Long story short, we got a lot of equipment back then, from BMP-1s to SA-8 mobile SAMs, to ZSU-23-4 SPAAGs, etc. Germany was also selling a squadron of meticulously maintained MiG-29s. We were really interested on the platform back then, but didn't make the jump unfortunately. Those ended up in Poland.

If we did procure them back then, it would maybe be possible to have an interest on the MiG-35 platform later. I don't see it happening now though.

My personal hunch is that in the mid-term, HAF is going to have the following assets.

25 F-35A
85 F-16 block 72 Viper
38 F-16 block 50+ Adv
25 Mirage 2000-5 Mk II

For a total of around 170 combat aircraft (right now we have 229).

ps: This assumes that we sell 12 F-16 block 30s, use 20 F-16 block 30s on an OCU application, and retire both our 34 upgraded F-4E PI2000s and our 16 not upgraded Mirage 2000EGs. Also, buy 25 F-35As and upgrade the 38 F-16 block 50s we have with the equipment we get from the upgrade in the opening post.
 
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Back when the CFE treaty was ratified in 1992, Germany was selling literally army camps full of military equipment that belonged to the DDR before the unification.

Long story short, we got a lot of equipment back then, from BMP-1s to SA-8 mobile SAMs, to ZSU-23-4 SPAAGs, etc. Germany was also selling a squadron of meticulously maintained MiG-29s. We were really interested on the platform back then, but didn't make the jump unfortunately. Those ended up in Poland.

If we did procure them back then, it would maybe be possible to have an interest on the MiG-35 platform later. I don't see it happening now though.

My personal hunch is that in the mid-term, HAF is going to have the following assets.

25 F-35A
85 F-16 block 72 Viper
38 F-16 block 50+ Adv
25 Mirage 2000-5 Mk II

For a total of around 170 combat aircraft (right now we have 229).

ps: This assumes that we sell 12 F-16 block 30s, use 20 F-16 block 30s on an OCU application, and retire both our 34 upgraded F-4E PI2000s and our 16 not upgraded Mirage 2000EGs. Also, buy 25 F-35As and upgrade the 38 F-16 block 50s we have with the equipment we get from the upgrade in the opening post.

I think the numbers and the dispersion of the fighters make sense but the question would be who are you going to sell block 30s to though?

Also I'm not so sure why you'd want to maintain two different engine families under one roof. Considering you want to go the F35 route wouldn't it make more sense to only have US engines on your birds? AFAIK both the F135 and GE-F110 can be maintained by LM teams, so replacing Mirages with block 70s would be a better route to go.

OR you could scrap the F35 altogether, replace your fleet with Rafale's / Gripins and join Turkey for the 5th gen TFX :D

I know... I know...

Somehow the things that make sense are always a pipe dream.
 
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Somehow the things that make sense are always a pipe dream.

The above explains most things about Greece in general..:D

Regarding the M2000-5s, those are not going away, due to them being the only platform for the SCALP ALCMs we have. They might need a SLEP, as well as the integration of the exocet missile that our older M2000s use for ASuW missions.

Regarding engines, have in mind there is one more. The Block 50s use the F110, but the block 52s use the F100.

Lastly, there are a number of possible suitors for the block 30s actually. Most of them in Eastern Europe.
 
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Yes, that is an F-16 Blk52+ Adv. with an image of Zeus, complete with corny thunderbolts, flags, eagles and the Vergina Sun...I don't think you can go more cheesy than that (I'm a fan of more..eh..conservative designs), but it does looks somewhat interesting.

ReNrrOW.jpg


Q10bif1.jpg


tlmqJdD.jpg


rXNuTh4.jpg


Kl7Bij2.jpg


ZG3XOlb.jpg

Looks amazing.
 
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Greece approves F-16 fighter jet upgrade deal with the United States

RAhJgAP.jpg


Reporting by Angeliki Koutantou; Editing by Helen Popper - REUTERS

ATHENS (Reuters) - Greece on Saturday approved a deal with the United States to upgrade dozens of its F-16 fighter jets at a cost of roughly 1.2 billion euros, a measure the bailed-out country said would not harm its future fiscal progress.

The potential deal to overhaul the aircraft came to light during a visit by Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras to the White House in October.

Greece’s top decision-making body on foreign affairs and defense matters, KYSEA, which Tsipras heads, unanimously sealed the agreement for the upgrade on Saturday, the premier’s press office said in a statement.

Three of the 85 jets earmarked for modernization will be upgraded in the United States while the rest will be refurbished in Greece, a Greek defense ministry source said, adding that the cost would be about 1.2 billion euros ($1.45 billion).

The government said last year the overhaul would be paid in annual instalments of about 110 million euros over a decade.

Athens said on Saturday that Washington had accepted a revised Greek proposal that takes into consideration the country’s fiscal obligations in the coming years. It did not give details on the revised proposal.

Greece, which will exit its third international bailout in August but will still have to attain primary budget surpluses in the medium term, has said the deal should not worry its EU lenders.

Defence spending has been reduced during Greece’s seven-year debt crisis, which shrank the size of its economy by more than a quarter and drove its jobless rate to nearly 28 percent.

However, the country still spends about 2 percent of its gross domestic product — roughly 3.5 billion euros — on defense, more than the EU’s average. That is largely due to long-standing tensions with its neighbor and fellow NATO member Turkey, which have risen in recent months.

Very cheap upgrade only 14.11 million per aircraft for AESA upgrade seems bang for buck .
 
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