Global Tensions grow as Chinese Rocket Scientist Defects to the West : Express UK

[serenity]

Speaking of real trolls and indians... (not related to mr. "TexasJohn" lol)

each link are often of separate examples showing the same thing.

A female ex IT Cell troll's twitter was deleted because she spoke out against might bullshit power yindoo.

https://www.business-standard.com/a...rld-of-bjp-s-digital-army-116122801182_1.html

http://www.riazhaq.com/2017/02/i-am-troll-exposes-indian-bjps-vicious.html

https://mashable.com/article/bjp-planned-online-trolling

https://theprint.in/politics/nearly...-for-bjp-147-do-it-for-congress-study/356876/

https://openthemagazine.com/feature...q64B_5P_a0b6oDetWZjyDxfkcc820OU8KwroqbvXxxADw

https://www.trtworld.com/opinion/the-indian-troll-army-s-obsession-with-rape-28980


Now indian "sources" are claiming UK managed to snag a DF-17 program member and only ExpressUK (LOL) picked up the story to give it credence while every single other major publication rejected it as fake news.

ohh look at this bjp it cell troll also admitting and revealing.

 

[TexasJohn]

It's okay. There are simply too many false flagging indians on the internet who are too ashamed of their indian identity. Lots of indian "John Smiths" call talking about deliveries, tax, and new internet deals. Please excuse me for insulting you if you're not indian.

No problem! but anyway, they really do play cricket down in Hong Kong. I met a few Brits from back during their stay, before the Chinese takeover who used to talk about it all the time - along with their blasted tea!!
Ya, I do get quite a few calls from " Dave" trying to peddle stuff. Their accent is so Indian / Pakistani you can tell instantly. But I guess they have to earn a living too!

 

[serenity]

No problem! but anyway, they really do play cricket down in Hong Kong. I met a few Brits from back during their stay, before the Chinese takeover who used to talk about it all the time - along with their blasted tea!!
Ya, I do get quite a few calls from " Dave" trying to peddle stuff. Their accent is so Indian / Pakistani you can tell instantly. But I guess they have to earn a living too!

Yeah that's India's economy for you.

But I don't think many are Pakistani at all. They don't typically do that kind of stuff at the moment. Pakistani being quite devout Muslims also makes that a little harder. Pakistanis one can try to call more poor, ignorant, naive about certain things or whatever but they certainly are more honest than Indians.

As such peddlers of fake news as well (India) and this piece of news originating from Indian before being circular reported by ExpressUK which has a reputation of reporting fake news and misrepresenting things to a crazy degree or focusing on unprovables, I would carefully assess this "news" before assuming it is true.

 

[Han Patriot]

yes because Aleksandr Zuyev did not fly his new Mig29 to Turkey in 1989

communist nations have defectors because communism is a self destructing mechanism USSR is proof as is the rest of the Warsaw Pack

governments canot control their subjects and force them to think only the way governments want

its against Human nature

and its the same reason all the refugees come to UK and not China

people want to live free and fair have the ability to speak out against their leaders if they feel they are not doing a good job

and no have to fear about being executed or better still "disappear"

Still doesn't explain a cricket loving hongkie working in a CHINESE MILITARY LAB numb numb. First it's hard to find a cricket loving person in China, next it's even harder to find a Hongkie working in a Chinese military lab. Lolol

 

[Han Patriot]

Are you forgetting Hong Kong used to be a British territory?? they play cricket there quite a bit. This guy was a Hong Kong native working in the mainland

Still doesn't explain a cricket loving hongkie working in a CHINESE MILITARY LAB numb numb. First it's hard to find a cricket loving person in China, next it's even harder to find a Hongkie working in a Chinese military lab. Lolol

You might as well say the guy was an Indian working in a Chinese MILITARY LAB.

 

[Han Patriot]

Yes great idea so his family can be executed in China

Yup he is most likely an Indian scientist working for a CHINESE MILITARY Lab. Lol

 

[K_Bin_W]

Still doesn't explain a cricket loving hongkie working in a CHINESE MILITARY LAB numb numb. First it's hard to find a cricket loving person in China, next it's even harder to find a Hongkie working in a Chinese military lab. Lolol

You might as well say the guy was an Indian working in a Chinese MILITARY LAB.

Agreed, something fishy and does not add up.

 

[serenity]

Unbelievable...

It is not because we are 'behind' China in technology. Knowing where your potential adversary is EQUALLY important. In other words, we do not need Chinese technology but we do want to know in details where is Chinese technology.


Yes, the word 'intelligence' means knowledge.

exactly. The US has always tried to get hands on foreign weapons for evaluations and to learn abilities and weaknesses as well as figure out the capability of the manufacturing and so on.

But others also do this to US. Not every attempt is to copy. It's not easy to copy and if there is a direct copy it will look 1:1 identical not only similar like Airbus and Boeing are similar.

This reminds of the F-35 in SCS that apparently according to some publications both sides are trying to get to. I guess studying the skin and material, China could potentially find how better to exploit the knowledge to improve detection of F-35.

 

[serenity]

Fishy because

1. AVIC doesn't do ballistic missiles, rockets, or develop and build HGV weapons. Maybe hypersonic aircraft and SSTO vehicles.

2. Top level employees in these types of projects only work in one area. For example, the engineers for F-117 while in secrecy, did only their own section e.g. landing gear system and the jobs are segregated in a planned way so even the people responsible for communicating between teams have limited knowledge.

3. Top level developers are kept on watch. SR-71 or Manhattan project developers were not allowed to travel at will without careful logistics planning. Certainly never allowed to go with family into an area they can be harmed, abducted, or defect together. During Soviet era, the USSR had many lookalikes for Sergei Korolev and doubles. Maybe this guy if any of this is even true, is not that high up or that important but still then his information is more limited.

4. Chinese guy who defected partly because he loves cricket sounds like something indian fake news or IT Cell paid trolls make up. It's roughly their level of cognitive understanding and general lack of awareness level.

5. Only one tabloid paper famous for fake news and wild conspiracy theories has reported on it. No gov acknowledgment at all which while not surprising is still one count against that because if true it is possible some affiliated government will mention it at least.

6. This "news" came from undisclosed indian sources from twitter.

Now it could be possible that if this is generally true, the guy isn't on DF-17 project but some other Chinese hypersonic project that AVIC is involved with which could be SSTO, hypersonic aircraft or something of that nature. They used DF-17 because it has pictures and is more well known.

Most people aren't aware that China has flown and landed hypersonic test aircraft or some reusable vehicle.

This could be something AVIC is involved with.

The leakers or papers intentionally used DF-17 because that's what low knowledge and intelligent readers can grasp on because it is more well known and its existence well reported on.

 

[serenity]

I posted this in the other thread that should be merged with this one on this topic. There were three at least lol.

1. AVIC doesn't do ballistic missiles, rockets, or develop and build HGV weapons. Maybe hypersonic aircraft and SSTO vehicles.

2. Top level employees in these types of projects only work in one area. For example, the engineers for F-117 while in secrecy, did only their own section e.g. landing gear system and the jobs are segregated in a planned way so even the people responsible for communicating between teams have limited knowledge.

3. Top level developers are kept on watch. SR-71 or Manhattan project developers were not allowed to travel at will without careful logistics planning. Certainly never allowed to go with family into an area they can be harmed, abducted, or defect together. During Soviet era, the USSR had many lookalikes for Sergei Korolev and doubles. Maybe this guy if any of this is even true, is not that high up or that important but still then his information is more limited.

4. Chinese guy who defected partly because he loves cricket sounds like something indian fake news or IT Cell paid trolls make up. It's roughly their level of cognitive understanding and general lack of awareness level.

5. Only one tabloid paper famous for fake news and wild conspiracy theories has reported on it. No gov acknowledgment at all which while not surprising is still one count against that because if true it is possible some affiliated government will mention it at least.

6. This "news" came from undisclosed indian sources from twitter.

Now it could be possible that if this is generally true, the guy isn't on DF-17 project but some other Chinese hypersonic project that AVIC is involved with which could be SSTO, hypersonic aircraft or something of that nature. They used DF-17 because it has pictures and is more well known.

Most people aren't aware that China has flown and landed hypersonic test aircraft or some reusable vehicle. This could be something AVIC is involved with.

The leakers or papers intentionally used DF-17 because that's what low knowledge and intelligent readers can grasp on because it is more well known and its existence well reported on.

 

[kankan326]

More than one newspaper has reported it. Btw, this guy was a native of Hong Kong. Used to be a UK colony. They play cricket there

Cricket in Hong Kong - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So please get a life and learn something..if the CCP will let you..

Global tensions grow as Chinese rocket scientist defects to the West

MI6 PLAYED a key role in helping a senior Chinese scientist defect to the West, intelligence sources revealed last night.

www.express.co.uk

One thing you don't know about China. Hongkongers are not allowed to be recruited into PLA(Chinese Army).

 

[Falconless]

no one in China to play cricket, none of them.

Cricket Hong Kong appoints Geoffrey Ma as President HK Cricket

www.hkcricket.org

Chinese Cricket Association - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Falconless]

So they are considered outsiders?

One thing you don't know about China. Hongkongers are not allowed to be recruited into PLA(Chinese Army)

 

[kankan326]

So they are considered outsiders?

More like HKers themselves think they are outsiders. HK doesn't pay tax to Chinese government and HKers don't have obligation to serve in Chinese army. Which were requested by HKers themselves as privileges. And HK has a totally different education system from China mainland. They don't have loyalty to China in the first place.

 

[Falconless]

More like HKers themselves think they are outsiders. HK doesn't pay tax to Chinese government and HKers don't have obligation to serve in Chinese army. Which were requested by HKers themselves as privileges. And HK has a totally different education system from China mainland. They don't have loyalty to China in the first place.

so they are a Chinese protectorate?