'Ghar wapsi’ in West Bengal village draws govt ire

[Judge]

They are Pakistani citizens and safe in Pakistan. We don't have equivalent to Hindutva lunatics India burning and committing genocide of Hindus.

Young women cannot step out of their homes in the evening in Sindh for fear of sexual harassment. Hindu men can't get their hair cut from a Muslim barber's shop. The two communities do not even share water," says Jamna, 40.
Pak Hindus seek refuge in Delhi - The Times of India

Pakistanis are Islamists. Thats basically worse than Nazism. It is little wonder then that minorities are fleeing Pakistan to neighbouring countries which are also poor like India and Sri Lanka.

At least extremist Hindutva government-sanctioned Ghar waapsi -type forced conversions are not happening in Pakistan. Pakistanis (whatever religion) have better reason to leave Pakistan than religion.

Pakistani Hindus claim girls were abducted and forcibly converted to Islam | Daily Mail Online
Forced conversions torment Pakistan's Hindus - Al Jazeera English

As I said, Pakistanis are Islamists.

 

[blood]

At least extremist Hindutva government-sanctioned Ghar waapsi -type forced conversions are not happening in Pakistan. Pakistanis (whatever religion) have better reason to leave Pakistan than religion.

yeah yeah i never denied pakistan is the beacon of secularism .

muslim madrasah and christian missionaries have been converting hindus forever , so whats wrong with ghar wapsi . Maybe you should stop getting paranoid and try to fix things in your country rather than being the thekadar of muslims across the globe . There is nothing wrong with ghar wapsi , forefathers of most of the muslim converts were hindus . You can deny it and have your own version of history but that doesn't change the facts .

 

[ranjeet]

Young women cannot step out of their homes in the evening in Sindh for fear of sexual harassment. Hindu men can't get their hair cut from a Muslim barber's shop. The two communities do not even share water," says Jamna, 40.
Pak Hindus seek refuge in Delhi - The Times of India

Pakistanis are Islamists. It is little wonder then that minorities are fleeing Pakistan to neighbouring countries like India and Sri Lanka.

come on man, lets not bring in the ladies.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Many of Muslims especially in Bengal were Buddhist before converting to Islam. It is the Hindu caste system that encourages people to convert to other religions. In Pakistan, the Tablighi Jamaat should also start missionary campaigns to convert Hindus, Christians and Qadianis to Islam.

I agree to an extent. Ghar wapsis should also be done into the Buddhist faith. Tablighi jamaat is working here to do that as well.

It's time followers of Dharmic religions got more "evangelical"... old habits of just sitting around and letting the missionaries do whatever the want need to be dumped by the wayside.

Again agreed. For the long term security of our country people should be encouraged, if necessary with Government incentives to convert to Buddhism, Sikhism, Jainism, Hinduism ... hell even atheism.

 

[Judge]

come on man, lets not bring in the ladies.

I was just pointing out the habbits of Islamists.

 

[blood]

It's time followers of Dharmic religions got more "evangelical"... old habits of just sitting around and letting the missionaries do whatever the want need to be dumped by the wayside.

100% correct , our way of life is being destroyed by these abrahamic religions . We have been silent for centuries but not anymore because its a matter of our survival .

At-least hindus are taking the initiative , our organisation like the RSS & VHP are taking the fight back to these convertors . But i am a little bit disappointed with other dharmic religions like sikhs , jains and buddhists . Join us before you perish .

 

[Judge]

It's time followers of Dharmic religions got more "evangelical"... old habits of just sitting around and letting the missionaries do whatever the want need to be dumped by the wayside.

Extremely well said. We must adapt to the times.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Islamists. Thats basically worse than Nazism.

Nazism was a secular ideology. The untermenschen were the enemy. You can expect some quarter from Nazis. You can escape, you can fight, you have some hope. When faced with Islamism, you have no chance but witness a slow but steady destruction.

 

[I.R.A]

Young women cannot step out of their homes in the evening in Sindh for fear of sexual harassment. Hindu men can't get their hair cut from a Muslim barber's shop. The two communities do not even share water," says Jamna, 40.
Pak Hindus seek refuge in Delhi - The Times of India

Pakistanis are Islamists. Thats basically worse than Nazism. It is little wonder then that minorities are fleeing Pakistan to neighbouring countries like India and Sri Lanka.

You seem to have very little knowledge about Pakistani Sindh, the Muslims living there in rural areas majority of them cannot even recite the Kalima (Pre-requisite to be a Muslim) in some areas they bury their dead in un-Islamic way without even saying the funeral prayers, because they have no idea or education about Islam and you are calling them Islamists.

And personally I had a Hindu friend from one of these backward areas as my colleague, we would have discussions over the lunch table about their position and situation in Sindh, and I would ask him why does not your elected minority member do something about this harassment, his answer would be they are all corrupt. And when just to see what his response would be I once floated that why does not he plan on migrating to India and his answer was for Indians we are Pakistanis and our situation and treatment is worse there than here.

 

[ranjeet]

I was just pointing out the habbits of Islamists.

there are other points to counter.

 

[syedali73]

Pakistani Hindus claim girls were abducted and forcibly converted to Islam | Daily Mail Online
Forced conversions torment Pakistan's Hindus - Al Jazeera English

As I said, Pakistanis are Islamists.

Isolated incidents mean nothing. In comparison to Hindutva state sponsored forced conversion, this is no biggie. Besides, it has nothing to do with forced conversions rather the oppression of the feudal lords in rural Sindh. They abduct a poor Muslim girl as conveniently and put her in their harem as they do it to poor non-Muslim girls.

yeah yeah i never denied pakistan is the beacon of secularism .

muslim madrasah and christian missionaries have been converting hindus forever , so whats wrong with ghar wapsi . Maybe you should stop getting paranoid and try to fix things in your country rather than being the thekadar of muslims across the globe . There is nothing wrong with ghar wapsi , forefathers of most of the muslim converts were hindus . You can deny it and have your own version of history but that doesn't change the facts .

Expressing disagreement is one thing, using sub-standard bazaari language is another. I'll suggest you to first learn how to participate in a discussion.

 

[Judge]

You seem to have very little knowledge about Pakistani Sindh, the Muslims living there in rural areas majority of them cannot even recite the Kalima (Pre-requisite to be a Muslim) in some areas they bury their dead in un-Islamic way without even saying the funeral prayers, because they have no idea or education about Islam and you are calling them Islamists.

And personally I had a Hindu friend from one of these backward areas as my colleague, we would have discussions over the lunch table about their position and situation in Sindh, and I would ask him why does not your elected minority member do something about this harassment, his answer would be they are all corrupt. And when just to see what his response would be I once floated that why does not he plan on migrating to India and his answer was for Indians we are Pakistanis and our situation and treatment is worse there than here.

Okay then Imran. The Pakistanis in Sindh are not 'real Muslims'. The same old line.

Then at least the Pakistani Punjabis(who are more Arab than the Arabs themselves) must be the 'real Muslims'. Here is what they do:

Example 1:
He said during his study, he experienced firsthand some of the discrimination Muslims in Pakistan accord to non-Muslims, especially giving them food or drinks in separate utensils.
Book launch: Rediscovering Pakistan’s pluralistic culture – The Express Tribune
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Example 2:
The eateries in the entire bazaar that is frequented by the local Sikhs either plainly refuse to serve them or have separate cups and glasses for them. Kalyan Singh who has spent almost his entire here can even tell you which rehri wala will serve him and which won't.

Day 3: The Sikhs of Nankana Sahab - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

 

[blood]

Expressing disagreement is one thing, using sub-standard bazaari language is another. I'll suggest you to first learn how to participate in a discussion.

but isn't that true

there is no electricity or fuel in pakistan but your media & people are more worried about ghar wapsi . Something happens with muslims in france or palestine and you guys go ballistic , you must pause for a sec and think do these guys really care for your support .

 

[SarthakGanguly]

but isn't that true

there is no electricity or fuel in pakistan but your media & people are more worried about ghar wapsi . Something happens with muslims in france or palestine and you guys go ballistic , you must pause for a sec and think do these guys really care for your support .

They have taken up a great responsibility. Let's leave it to that. We should keep them out of this thread.

 

[Krate M]

The same Derek O'Brien wrote this.
Derek O'Brien: The O'Briens of India and Pakistan
In 1984, my brother Andy, then a sports journalist, travelled to Karachi for hockey’s Champions Trophy. He was determined to trace the lost O’Briens of Pakistan. Eventually he found them and renewed contact. My father’s uncle Patrick was dead, but the rest of the family was still there and greeted their Indian cousin very warmly. They continued to refer to the Jamir Lane residence in Kolkata as “home”. Nellie was a legend for her grandchildren there as well.

Nevertheless there were sobering realities. Most of the men of my father’s generation migrated to England or Canada, the women had converted to Islam.

Andy came home and told us the strange and somber story of the Muslim Anglo-Indian clan – or maybe it should be the Muslim Irish-Bengali clan – of Lahore and Karachi. We sat in silence, still digesting it. I thought of our life in India, the freedom to go to church, the freedom to pratise my faith, the freedom to be myself, the freedom that my country gave its minorities. I’ve never felt prouder of being an Indian.