Germany for migrants deal with Pakistan

[Zibago]

Germany for migrants deal with Pakistan
September 25, 2016

VIENNA - Germany's embattled Chancellor Angela Merkel said Saturday that Europe needs to secure more deals with third countries on sending back migrants who do not qualify for asylum.

"We want to stop illegal immigration while living up to our humanitarian responsibilities," Merkel said after talks in Vienna with counterparts along the Balkan migrant route.

"It is necessary to get agreements with third countries, especially in Africa but also Pakistan and Afghanistan... so that it becomes clear that those with no right to stay in Europe can go back to their home countries," she told reporters.

In March the EU and Turkey struck an accord under which Ankara promised to halt a mass influx of migrants into Greece in return for billions in aid and other sweeteners.

The influx has far from stopped, however, with many migrants attempting treacherous sea crossings from Libya or Egypt to Italy instead.

More than 300,000 migrants have crossed the Mediterranean this year, the UN said on Tuesday, down from 520,000 from the first nine months of 2015. But deaths this year - 3,500 so far - could exceed last year's total.

In addition more than 60,000 migrants remain stranded in Greece. Merkel said that an RU relocation scheme to share out some of these people among EU states has been "too slow".

Merkel was in Vienna for talks with leaders of countries along the Balkan migrant route.

They included Hungary's premier Victor Orban, scornful of Merkel's "open-door" stance, Alexis Tsipras of Greece, home to 60,000 stranded migrants, and Boyko Borisov of newly under-pressure Bulgaria.

Austrian Chancellor Christian Kern said that the aim of the talks, also attended by top EU officials, was to "accelerate" momentum towards ending Europe's worst migration crisis since 1945.

He said that this included "massively improving" the securing of the EU's outer borders, more efforts to look after refugees in the region they come from and, longer term, a "Marshall Plan" for Africa.

"At the moment there is a range of individual measures but no common European line," Kern told the Kleine Zeitung daily.

Populist parties across Europe have stoked concerns about the new arrivals to boost support, not least Alternative for Germany (AfD). On Monday Merkel said the influx could have been better handled.

In March, under pressure from Austria, Balkan countries closed their borders, and the flow has since slowed dramatically, although 100-150 still make it to Austria every day, Vienna says.

The same month the EU struck a deal with Turkey - home to more than three million refugees - under which Ankara halted the influx in return for billions in aid and other sweeteners. The pact may yet collapse, however, in the wake of the July 15 coup attempt in Turkey. Kern said that the EU also needed to do similar deals with countries like Egypt and Jordan.

Greece remains under severe strain, as illustrated by a huge fire at a refugee camp on the island of Lesbos on Monday.

An EU scheme to relocate migrants stuck in Greece and fellow hotspot Italy is massively behind expectations, while extra administrative assistance promised by the EU has been insufficient.

Bulgaria, the EU's poorest country, is home to around 10,000 stranded migrants although Brussels has promised Sofia extra help.

A new EU border force will start operations on Bulgaria's border with Turkey on October 6.

Not all of those attending in Vienna necessarily see eye-to-eye on how to deal with the crisis. Orban, in particular, has refused to take in a single migrant under the EU scheme.

The Hungarian prime minister has organised a referendum on October 2, seeking a vote against the mandatory division of migrants among EU members.

On Thursday he called for all illegal migrants to be deported from the European Union to "large refugee camps" on an island or in North Africa where their asylum claims could be processed.

EU President Donald Tusk, arriving in Vienna, said that it was necessary "to confirm, politically and in practice, that the western Balkan route of irregular migration is closed for good."

But the difficulties of making it through to the Balkans has prompted increasing numbers to attempt treacherous sea crossings from Libya or Egypt to Italy instead
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[PaklovesTurkiye]

Why the hell Pakistan will take refugees from Germany...Has Merkel gone mad? Refugees should be sent to those countries who started and caused this refugee crisis in first place.....

We are already overloaded....Can't take anymore....Send all of them to US...

 

[BATMAN]

Why the hell Pakistan will take refugees from Germany...Has Merkel gone mad? Refugees should be sent to those countries who started and caused this refugee crisis in first place.....

We are already overloaded....Can't take anymore....Send all of them to US...

Not only Merkel but Australia, Canada, UK and US also should send all those Pakistanis back, who had already qualified for assylum by submitting lies against Pakistan and thier life in Pakistan.

When those traitors are repatriated to Pakistan than Pakistan should airdrop them to Arabian sea.

What Pakistanis need to see.... is the dossiers they submit for Assylum.

 

[PakSword]

Yes, all asylum seekers from Pakistan should be returned to Pakistan. There is no humanitarian crisis in Pakistan. There haven't been any major sectarian incidents occurred in the recent past.

A guy I know has taken refuge in UK by converting to Qadiyaniat. Someone was telling me that he made a false declaration. In any case, there is no need for Qadiyanis to seek refuge on the basis of religion. Minor incidents happen everywhere.

Pakistan also needs to send all the refugees back.

 

[Zibago]

Why the hell Pakistan will take refugees from Germany...Has Merkel gone mad? Refugees should be sent to those countries who started and caused this refugee crisis in first place.....

We are already overloaded....Can't take anymore....Send all of them to US...

If we get good economic deals and incentives then maybe we should look into that

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

Not only Merkel but Australia, Canada, UK and US also need to send all those Pakistanis back, who had already qualified for assylum by submitting lies against Pakistan and thier life in Pakistan.

When those traitors are repatriated to Pakistan than Pakistan should airdrop them to Arabian sea.

What Pakistanis need to see is the dossiers they submit for Assylum.

Oh yes...Pakistanis should be sent back if got asylum by providing fake credentials...I thought she is trying to send Syrian refugees towards us

If we get good economic deals and incentives then maybe we should look into that

...I was thinking the same too ..

 

[BATMAN]

Sure Merkel is only talking about those Asylum seekers, who upon landing, declare them self as Pakistanis and victim of Pakistani state and army. Many of them are even Indians, Afghanis having fake Pakistani papers provided by the Zardari mafia.
nontheless i understand the confusion, which is due to campaign in EU against migrants, who arrived via boats direct from Syria.
Well if in case Miss Merkel would like to send Syrian refugees back, than personally i don't mind hosting them either, we can set them up in Baluchistan.
There are huge refugee cities in Jordan and Turkey... and we should be able to do better.
BTW, Syrians are educated and cultured people they are doctors, engineers, scientists... but i don't even mind hosting auneducated kids.
I wonder when Syrian would read rejection words coming from a Pakistani... would they not start hating us?
I hope they believe that those were fake accounts of enemies of Pakistan.
Being Muslim is not limited to being born in Pakistan, we need to show compassion towards humanity and there's no limit.

 

[Pakistani E]

Yes, all asylum seekers from Pakistan should be returned to Pakistan. There is no humanitarian crisis in Pakistan. There haven't been any major sectarian incidents occurred in the recent past.

A guy I know has taken refuge in UK by converting to Qadiyaniat. Someone was telling me that he made a false declaration. In any case, there is no need for Qadiyanis to seek refuge on the basis of religion. Minor incidents happen everywhere.

Pakistan also needs to send all the refugees back.

Economic migrants and Asylum seekers are two different things, genius.

 

[PakSword]

Economic migrants and Asylum seekers are two different things, genius.

Did I state anything about economic migrants, genius?

 

[Pakistani E]

Did I state anything about economic migrants, genius?

This is what she was referring to, not Ahmadi asylum seekers:

"We want to stop illegal immigration while living up to our humanitarian responsibilities," Merkel said after talks in Vienna with counterparts along the Balkan migrant route.

"It is necessary to get agreements with third countries, especially in Africa but also Pakistan and Afghanistan... so that it becomes clear that those with no right to stay in Europe can go back to their home countries," she told reporters.

Nice effort to try and divert the thread to a separate issue. The people currently streaming in to Europe through the Balkans are not Ahmadis. What's the point of your original post?

 

[coffee_cup]

Not only Merkel but Australia, Canada, UK and US also should send all those Pakistanis back, who had already qualified for assylum by submitting lies against Pakistan and thier life in Pakistan.

When those traitors are repatriated to Pakistan than Pakistan should airdrop them to Arabian sea.

What Pakistanis need to see.... is the dossiers they submit for Assylum.

This.

Lets start with Altaf Hussain and countless others whom MI6 so proudly sheltering!

 

[PakSword]

This is what she was referring to, not Ahmadi asylum seekers:

Wrong, she is not referring to economic migrants. She said "Europe needs to secure more deals with third countries on sending back migrants who do not qualify for asylum."

The person whom I mentioned in my comment was a Sunni Muslim. He was working in Pakistani Embassy School in Abu Dhabi. One of the head of sections was Qadiyani. He persuaded the Sunni guy to convert to Qadiyaniat last year. Immediately after conversion, summer vacations started in UAE. He was a cashier and he collected fee from parents (in hundred thousands), gave the parents fake receipts and 2 days before start of the new year (last week of August 2015), he fled to UK.

When school asked for the fees, parents provided the fake receipts. Matter was reported to Pakistani Embassy in Abu Dhabi. UAE police got involved but by that time he already landed in UK on a visit visa. There is no agreement of exchange of criminals between UAE and UK.

Later, Pakistani Embassy found that he applied for Asylum in UK on the basis of his conversion and fear of persecution in Pakistan. His case is still under review.

Now if you ask me how I know about the whole story, my wife teaches in Pakistani school. She and all the other teachers are of the view that he has never converted and it is only because he wanted to migrate to UK.

All the teachers are suspecting the head of the section as possible accomplice.

As per the definition I know, he was not an economic migrant and he was that fake kind that should be deported, immediately as if he had not looted the money, he would be safe in Pakistan.

And not just Qadiyanis, fake converts from Sunnis to Shias, Shias to Sunnis, Muslims to Christians, all should be deported to Pakistan as there are no threats since the Pakistani Army has started Zarb e Azb.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Wrong, she is not referring to economic migrants. She said "Europe needs to secure more deals with third countries on sending back migrants who do not qualify for asylum."

The person whom I mentioned in my comment was a Sunni Muslim. He was working in Pakistani Embassy School in Abu Dhabi. One of the head of sections was Qadiyani. He persuaded the Sunni guy to convert to Qadiyaniat last year. Immediately after conversion, summer vacations started in UAE. He was a cashier and he collected fee from parents (in hundred thousands), gave the parents fake receipts and 2 days before start of the new year (last week of August 2015), he fled to UK.

When school asked for the fees, parents provided the fake receipts. Matter was reported to Pakistani Embassy in Abu Dhabi. UAE police got involved but by that time he already landed in UK on a visit visa. There is no agreement of exchange of criminals between UAE and UK.

Later, Pakistani Embassy found that he applied for Asylum in UK on the basis of his conversion and fear of persecution in Pakistan. His case is still under review.

Now if you ask me how I know about the whole story, my wife teaches in Pakistani school. She and all the other teachers are of the view that he has never converted and it is only because he wanted to migrate to UK.

All the teachers are suspecting the head of the section as possible accomplice.

As per the definition I know, he was not an economic migrant and he was that fake kind that should be deported, immediately as if he had not looted the money, he would be safe in Pakistan.

And not just Qadiyanis, fake converts from Sunnis to Shias, Shias to Sunnis, Muslims to Christians, all should be deported to Pakistan as there are no threats since the Pakistani Army has started Zarb e Azb.

Agree, As I said before, we should deport all those Pakistanis/Bengladeshis etc who come here as asylum seeker. IT DOESNT MATTER WHICH TYPE OF CLAIM ABOUT OPPRESSION THEY USE. They are just fraudsters. PERIOD. Since there is no war or widespread sectarian bloodshed per se in Pakistan or Bengladesh. Same for Bengladesh and many other countries whose citizens claim fake refugees status. They should stay in their country and help develop it. Nobody will build their country for them or if they want to come here by all means, they should follow official normal legal route like many people who want to come to Britain do.

Hopefully our new government led by Theresa may will reject any such applications in future as she already said in the U.N. These opportunistic fraudsters are taking advantage of western countries lax immigration rules for real refugees and abusing the system. THus making it harder for genuine Syrian refugees to get the help the need. So much for Muslim solidarity. Lol

 

[skyisthelimit]

Why the hell Pakistan will take refugees from Germany...Has Merkel gone mad? Refugees should be sent to those countries who started and caused this refugee crisis in first place.....

We are already overloaded....Can't take anymore....Send all of them to US...

I think Germany means, Pakistani citizens who give false declarations or reasons to secure access in Germany/Europe.

 

[PakSword]

Agree, As I said before, we should deport all those Pakistanis/Bengladeshis etc who come here as asylum seeker. IT DOESNT MATTER WHICH TYPE OF CLAIM ABOUT OPPRESSION THEY USE. They are just fraudsters. PERIOD. Since there is no war or widespread sectarian bloodshed per se in Pakistan or Bengladesh. Same for Bengladesh and many other countries whose citizens claim fake refugees status. They should stay in their country and help develop it. Nobody will build their country for them or if they want to come here by all means, they should follow official normal legal route like many people who want to come to Britain do.

Hopefully our new government led by Theresa may will reject any such applications in future as she already said in the U.N. These opportunistic fraudsters are taking advantage of western countries lax immigration rules for real refugees and abusing the system. THus making it harder for genuine Syrian refugees to get the help the need. So much for Muslim solidarity. Lol

Your previous governments gave refuge to many criminals in disguise. Fake converts getting asylum is a different story altogether. But I don't blame western governments only as there are many organizations involved in this organized business on both sides. These organizations spread false propaganda news against Pakistan. A minor incident occurs and they start a big campaign. If a terrorist organization attacks certain sect or religion in a remote area of Pakistan, these organizations start their business of maligning Pakistan on media and then recruiting people in exchange of heavy money to assist them getting asylum in western countries. Some people convert to different sects and even religion to get asylum in this process. These guys, although fake, are very hard to catch. Some criminals become members of political organizations who again are involved in spreading false sense of insecurity in Pakistan.

New UK PM should work on identification of such people involved in crimes in other countries and got the asylum on the basis of their political or religious affiliation. All of them should be deported. In fact, your government should introduce a law to cancel their nationality (if already granted).

And I believe 99% of Pakistanis do not qualify for asylum. Just get rid of them guys. Send them back. Pakistan is not an unsafe place to live. We have democracy, we have representation of almost all sects and minorities in our parliament, we have legal structure (although weak but functioning).

When western governments give refuge to known criminals, it creates a rift between governments and people on both sides and when these criminals do some wrong in those countries, it gives us, the common hard working and law abiding Pakistanis, a bad name.