Germany bans exports of arms to Turkey

[SleeveofWizard]

Not enough. Need to accept all Syrian and Kurdish refugees.

And why should they accept any refugees who have nothing to do with them? Syrians are not religiously, linguistically or culturally close to the germans. These are muslim problems, muslim refugees, you sort them out. Pakistan, Iran, Turkey and other muslim countries should take them. It was mighty nice of Merkel to take them in. If a right wing govt was there, not a single one would have reached Germany. She is expected to lose the next election solely because of this issue.

 

[maximuswarrior]

And why should they accept any refugees who have nothing to do with them? Syrians are not religiously, linguistically or culturally close to the germans. These are muslim problems, muslim refugees, you sort them out. Pakistan, Iran, Turkey and other muslim countries should take them. It was mighty nice of Merkel to take them in. If a right wing govt was there, not a single one would have reached Germany. She is expected to lose the next election solely because of this issue.

If this was a Muslim problem your American, German, French and British brothers would not be supporting the PKK on the border areas of Turkey.

Tell your Western brothers to get the fvck out of the Middle East if these refugees are not their problem. Tell them to stop interfering in these lands.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Ut

And why should they accept any refugees who have nothing to do with them? Syrians are not religiously, linguistically or culturally close to the germans. These are muslim problems, muslim refugees, you sort them out. Pakistan, Iran, Turkey and other muslim countries should take them. It was mighty nice of Merkel to take them in. If a right wing govt was there, not a single one would have reached Germany. She is expected to lose the next election solely because of this issue.

OK Kofee Annan. But Turkey is trying to deal with the refugee crisis. By creating a buffer zone and settling Syrians back in Syria.

The place they will be settled is currently a terrorist safe haven for YPG.

If Turkey pacified more of Syria, more refugees could go home and leave poor Merkel alone.

What's the problem?

 

[dBSPL]

Not enough. Need to accept all Syrian and Kurdish refugees.

Europe fought itself within a year to determine refugee quotas. As a result, Germany made a great deal of sacrifice to achieve an agreement. (Hungary is probably still laughing at it.) Because at that time there was a terrible flow of refugees. As a result, far-right parties across the continent experienced the greatest rise of the last 30 years.

However, this current has come to largely stopped. Ofc, Because more qualified labor force coming from Syria has decreased, acceptance is required at the least possible rate.... Let's say 95% less .... They are sending the refugees back who has managed to reach Europe illegally . The compatibility of this with international human rights is a matter of separate debate. But all the extra refugees start to put additional burden on the social security budgets of the states.

This is not as simple as you think. Everybody knows what they're worth.

Now let's talk a little mysterious. Do you know how many Turks live in Germany? Do you know how the Neo-Nazizm is rising in the German new generation, worst than 90s? Add an extra half million Syrians to go here. There will be over a hundred thousand pkk-kck members who will obtain german passport. Don't forget half a million Afghans. And Don't forget too , the terrorists you forgot in Syria. Hi BND, Do you want to face MIT? Terror is hitting our land from one direction. But your lands could get hurt from three sides because of Islamafobia and because of the unlawful, drug-smuggling Marxist organization you have grown..

In other words, this is a populist move that is literally aimed at German domestic politics.

Only the Siemens and VW groups have around 5 billion new fixed investments. The total installed fixed investment is probably over $ 100 billion.

And a recent anecdote is the reason for this year's peak purchases in defense with Germany, which includes bulk orders for the coming year. So while you're arguing here, the policies up there somewhere seem to have planned this business well in advance.

Let's put aside all the nonsense of the verdict. It is said that there will be weapons systems of the kind that can only be used in the Syrian field. Moreover, when Leo2a4s were actively used in the OB operation, such public opinion emerged in the German public. But nothing has changed.

Most of you probably don't know, in the 90s there was a prerequisite for many systems taken from the Germans as - it cant be usable at eastern borders -. These systems were piling up on the Greek border. Then German companies sold the same systems to the Greeks.

/dollar eyed smiley/ Funny , isnt it ?

Because of these wonderful folks!!!, Turkey has accelerated the steps in the domestic defense industry.

Our love story with Germany is a bit turbulent.

 

[maximuswarrior]

Ut

OK Kofee Annan. But Turkey is trying to deal with the refugee crisis. By creating a buffer zone and settling Syrians back in Syria.

The place they will be settled is currently a terrorist safe haven for YPG.

If Turkey pacified more of Syria, more refugees could go home and leave poor Merkel alone.

What's the problem?

He doesn't know yet. If Turkey opens up that border Europe will inundate with refugees.

 

[SleeveofWizard]

If this was a Muslim problem your American, German, French and British brothers would not be supporting the PKK on the border areas of Turkey.

Tell your Western brothers to get the fvck out of the Middle East.

They are not my brothers but its you muslims who begged them to come in and sort out the ISIS and Assad problem for you. They armed anti Assad FSA forces once you people started crying and throwing tantrums all across the world calling for action. Erdogan himself literally begged them to do something about the issue and literally all western weapons provided to FSA were channeled through Turkey. Now of course that didn't turn out well and only made the situation worse and then ISIS took massive advantage of it. Now you muslims, horrified by their atrocities again begged western nations to do something before they swallowed Iraq and Syria( They were a few 100km from Baghdad at one point). For this reason, Western nations armed the Kurds, the only group who were able to put up a valiant fight against ISIS. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and Syrians took shelter in Kurdish areas because those were the only ones safe. Kurds(armed by West) and some hardened Shia militia(armed by Iran and Russia) are the only reason why ISIS has almost been defeated.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

its you muslims who begged them to come in and sort out the ISIS and Assad problem for you

Sorry but your credibility just sinks to a new low with every post you make.

I just don't know where to begin with this....

Assad and ISIS were mortal enemies of each other. Some Muslims supported Assad, some supported a number of other factions, and sure some supported ISIS.... but a load of Muslims also DIDN'T want western "nation building" after what we saw in Iraq and elsewhere. Many many Muslims had no desire whatsoever for western intervention.

I mean, I really don't have all day I'm afraid. But clearly, if you lump assad, Isis and "you Muslims" together as some monolithic entity, then you really can't hope to understand middle eastern geopolitics.

 

[maximuswarrior]

They are not my brothers but its you muslims who begged them to come in and sort out the ISIS and Assad problem for you. They armed anti Assad FSA forces once you people started crying and throwing tantrums all across the world calling for action. Erdogan himself literally begged them to do something about the issue and literally all western weapons provided to FSA were channeled through Turkey. Now of course that didn't turn out well and only made the situation worse and then ISIS took massive advantage of it. Now you muslims, horrified by their atrocities again begged western nations to do something before they swallowed Iraq and Syria( They were a few 100km from Baghdad at one point). For this reason, Western nations armed the Kurds, the only group who were able to put up a valiant fight against ISIS. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and Syrians took shelter in Kurdish areas because those were the only ones safe. Kurds(armed by West) and some hardened Shia militia(armed by Iran and Russia) are the only reason why ISIS has almost been defeated.

Blah blah nigga. Just keep your BS story short. Who has the time to read your crying and sobbing.

You can beg all day long, but to no avail. Your PKK terrorist are getting roasted like chicken as we speak. What can you do about it other than bark like a little piglet.

Bark all day long. Turkey will do as they wish and even open the border when push comes to shove. Do something about it if you can.

Sorry but your credibility just sinks to a new low with every post you make.

I just don't know where to begin with this....

Assad and ISIS were mortal enemies of each other. Some Muslims supported Assad, some supported a number of other factions, and sure some supported ISIS.... but a load of Muslims also DIDN'T want western "nation building" after what we saw in Iraq and elsewhere. Many many Muslims had no desire whatsoever for western intervention.

I mean, I really don't have all day I'm afraid. But clearly, if you lump assad, Isis and "you Muslims" together as some monolithic entity, then you really can't hope to understand middle eastern geopolitics.

This Indian rape boy cannot protect his rape pandits in occupied Kashmir and he is worried about PKK terrorists LOL

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Just to add to what I said there, Western governments waged war in Syria to take on ISIS initially, later they admitted they wished to remove Assad from power. "You Muslims" categorically did not want westerners barging in as usual. Possibly the Kurds wanted it...but nobody else! So I don't know where you get off with your nonsense.

Assad was getting support from Russia and Iran, while ISIS were being ISIS. The western powers created their own insurgent groups (now completely decimated) to justify their intervention as a vaguely "locally backed" intervention.

Seriously man.

"This Indian rape boy cannot protect his rape pandits in occupied Kashmir and he is worried about PKK terrorists LOL"

Exactly. Surely these Pandits were a "Hindu problem" going by this UN refugee resettlement expert's earlier logic.... Maybe they should all have been settled in UP instead of bothering Western countries.

 

[SleeveofWizard]

Blah blah nigga. Just keep your BS story short. Who has the time to read your crying and sobbing.

You can beg all day long, but to no avail. Your PKK terrorist are getting roasted like chicken as we speak. What can you do about it other than bark like a little piglet.

Bark all day long. Turkey will do as they wish and even open the border when push comes to shove. Do something about it if you can.



This Indian rape boy cannot protect his rape pandits in occupied Kashmir and he is worried about PKK terrorists LOL

I can do as much about Turkey's actions as you can do about Kashmir . Maybe you should stop all your piglet whining and begging about that issue as well and possibly pass on the message to your PM who has spent the past 3 months doing nothing but that.

Exactly. Surely these Pandits were a "Hindu problem" going by this UN refugee resettlement expert's earlier logic.... Maybe they should all have been settled in UP instead of bothering Western countries.

What are you smoking? Which western countries did they run to? Pandits were definitely a Hindu problem and 90% were settled in Jammu and surrounding regions. Unlike muslims, they didn't run away to western countries crying for free welfare benefits.

 

[Army research]

Guys... simple rule...German weapon export law prohibits to sell weapons to nations on war (expect NATO alliance case or if operations are under UN decision). This is not the case so no more weapon export...that has nothing to do with butt hurt...simple German law force the politicans to react.

German Exports to Turkey are not worth to mention..in average 60million Euro... the only reason 2018 was 200million ero was NAVY equipment delivered to Turkey.

Oh btw you have to different... Rüstungsexporte and Kriegswaffenexporte... first is everything bought by military ..including boots clothing toiletpaper pensils cars trucks construction material for barracks weapons etc... the second one are only true war weapons like tanks rifels missels etc... the 200million € delivered to Turkey were Rüstungsexperte... including toiletpaper

Finally someone sensible

 

[dBSPL]

Just to add to what I said there, Western governments waged war in Syria to take on ISIS initially, later they admitted they wished to remove Assad from power. "You Muslims" categorically did not want westerners barging in as usual. Possibly the Kurds wanted it...but nobody else! So I don't know where you get off with your nonsense.

Assad was getting support from Russia and Iran, while ISIS were being ISIS. The western powers created their own insurgent groups (now completely decimated) to justify their intervention as a vaguely "locally backed" intervention.

DEASH was a handy tool for everyone.

- They was the first factor to protect the Syrian regime from defeat (the second step was Russia's resettlement in Syria) Remember, if DAESH wasn't there, the regime would have defeat like 2013-14.

- All the opposition façades are torn apart. Opponents went into great chaos. And the PKK began to establish hegemony in the eastern region by forming an alliance with the regime. Because of the benefits in Aleppo, they has received support from regime at Turkey's border areas.

- Of course, everyone pulled its support from the Syrian opposition while pkk start to rise.

- DEASH's growth was like a wasp hive. All over the world, radical extremists flowed here. But one region within them was critical. Caucasian Mujahideen with century of guerrilla experience and lifelong struggle. Although many fatwas was emerged, a significant proportion of Chechens were further radicalized and they gaved DEASH great impetus.

- That was amazing for Russia. All radicals left from the country, and Russia was called as a savior to the Syria.

- DAESH's inhuman methods have increased the sectarian polarization in the region with incredible speed. And guess what country is profitable from this sectarianism?

- How Deash was an usefultool for the US and Israel policies , and how another terrorist organization "sold as US lover freedom fighters" with help of Daesh, is another story. As a result, DAESH has completed its mission, and everyone has benefited.

Now the only problem is how to hide thousands of terrorists in the dungeons

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Pandits were definitely a Hindu problem and 90% were settled in Jammu and surrounding regions

OK, let's debunk the whole pandit nonsense once and for all.

Be sure to remind everyone what "settled" means. The Indian government used the Pandits and exploited them by doing nothing to assist either the ones who remained or the refugees. By entrenching their refugee status for decades rather than granting them proper residency and support to settle in other states, Hindustan retained its false cassus belli to carry out what we are seeing presently. All Delhi wants is the land of Kashmir, it doesn't give a rat's tail about the Pandits.

There was no genocide of the Pandits. They weren't exclusively targeted by any militant group on the basis of their identity. Pandit leaders who worked in concert with Delhi's clandestine and antidemocratic activities were certainly targeted, but for those stated political reasons, not because of their religion or identity. Anyone, Muslim OR Hindu who was a "Trojan horse for Delhi" was targeted. This is categorically not a genocide.

Numerous historical sources also point out that local Muslims tried to get the Pandits to stay - Kashmir's fight was with Delhi and Delhi's agents, not the Pandits per se. Local accounts tell of systematic removal of Pandits families by government chartered buses - ostensibly to prepare the ground for a sweeping "purge" of Muslims while evacuating Hindus in advance. That is not to say all pandit departures were planned by Delhi, but Delhi certainly helped move it along for its own designs.

Delhi has exploited the Pandits for its own ends, feeding lie after lie upon its already false narrative about Kashmir.

The true genocide was in 1947 in Jammu, when Muslims WERE MURDERED SYSTEMATICALLY WITH STATE APPARATUS PURELY BECAUSE OF THEIR IDENTITY, IN ORDER TO MANIPULATE DEMOGRAPHICS TO PUSH A NARRATIVE THAT WOULD JUSTIFY J&K's ACCESSION TO HINDUSTAN.

The partition stories of Hyderabad, Junagadh and other places are likewise tales of outright hypocrisy, aggression, violent genocidal purges and annexation, all constituting a concerted land grab by Delhi in those miserable early years of independence.

I urge all Pakistanis to understand the truth about how Delhi has manipulated the Pandit story for its own ends. No genocide of Pandits ever occurred. The Muslims were the victims.

Thank you to those tribals who stood up to Delhi's invasion of Kashmir 70 odd years back.

And thank you Jinnah.

 

[AViet]

Guys... simple rule...German weapon export law prohibits to sell weapons to nations on war (expect NATO alliance case or if operations are under UN decision). This is not the case so no more weapon export...that has nothing to do with butt hurt...simple German law force the politicans to react.

German Exports to Turkey are not worth to mention..in average 60million Euro... the only reason 2018 was 200million ero was NAVY equipment delivered to Turkey.

Oh btw you have to different... Rüstungsexporte and Kriegswaffenexporte... first is everything bought by military ..including boots clothing toiletpaper pensils cars trucks construction material for barracks weapons etc... the second one are only true war weapons like tanks rifels missels etc... the 200million € delivered to Turkey were Rüstungsexperte... including toiletpaper

When German tech were envy of the world, your embargo can make sense. But now, many countries would be happy because they can export their products to Turkey to replace the German weapons, while German defense industry would be killing itself.

30 years ago, economic embargo by the US or EU to Russia might make sense. But now Russia simply don't care. They have developed other markets. We can see that EU are desperately trying to find a cause to lift the embargo without losing face.

When you try to punch above your weight, it will be you to be harmed.

Germany should revise its laws. It is no longer the Germany of early 20th century.