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China is pitting EU countries against each other
Italy’s lurch towards full-blown Euroscepticism threatens the bloc’s stability
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Germany's government has started to impose restrictions on foreign takeovers after robotics company Kuka was taken over by a Chinese group © Reuters

May 24, 2020 11:00 am by Wolfgang Münchau


How will we know whether Europe succeeds or fails? The discussion in the EU right now is focused sharply on macroeconomics. But I suspect the ultimate test will be the EU’s ability to develop a common position on China.

The two are linked. China has shown remarkable skill in playing EU countries off against one another — for example in the race to develop 5G mobile networks. But this is just the beginning. China is well on the way to emerge as the most influential external power for the EU.

China’s Belt and Road Initiative, a project of long-term infrastructure investment spanning the Eurasian continent, lies at the heart of China’s global industrial strategy. EU governments understand this well. The Franco-German proposal for the €500bn coronavirus recovery fund includes a specific demand for an industrial policy to protect Europe against investments by third countries in strategic sectors. Yet such a strategy would pose problems for Italy, the likely main beneficiary of future Chinese investment in Europe.

Italy became an official signatory to Belt and Road in March 2019, the only large EU country to do so. Successive Italian leaders have nurtured close bilateral relationships with their Chinese counterparts. Among existing EU countries, Italy has also attracted the second largest share of Chinese direct foreign investments since 2000. Germany has been China’s most favourite location for inward investment in the EU over that period — after the UK.

But the German government has started to impose restrictions on takeovers by making it possible for it to take stakes in high-tech companies it wants to protect. This was triggered by a Chinese takeover of Germany’s leading robotics group, Kuka, in 2016. German car companies were still developing diesel engines when China strategically invested in electrical car batteries. Germans may have a reputation for long-term investments, but China is in a different league.

Italy is well placed to benefit from the Franco-German fear of technological brain drain. Italy had lost business to China during the early years of the millennium, but these days has more to gain than to fear from the country.

However, this depends critically on whether the Italian government actively courts China or whether it aligns with the policies of France and Germany. Beijing has promised investments in the port of Trieste on Italy’s Adriatic coast, but this is not a done deal. Italy is competing with alternative locations in Croatia and Slovenia. Trieste had its heyday during the Habsburg empire. One indirect effect of the Belt and Road will be to shift Europe’s political gravity back eastward.

Meanwhile, an Italian poll sees China as the most friendly foreign country, followed by Russia. Germany is considered the least friendly foreign power, followed by France. Another poll says 44 per cent of Italians favour staying in the EU against 42 per cent who want to leave. Two years ago, that relationship was 65 per cent against 26 per cent in favour of staying.

Maybe it was the EU’s lack of solidarity with Italy in the early phase of the Covid-19 crisis that brought latent Euroscepticism out into the open. Either way, these are deeply alarming figures. Twenty years of eurozone membership have taken Italians to a point where they consider China as their most important strategic partner.

This is absurd on so many levels, but it is also an astonishing failure of the EU to have let it come to that. The EU hopes that the recovery fund will go some way to address Italy’s lurch into full-blown Euroscepticism. Some have celebrated Europe’s “Hamiltonian moment” when German chancellor Angela Merkel and France’s President Emmanuel Macron agreed their deal for the recovery fund. A back-of-the-envelope calculation of the net fiscal effect for Italy will tell you that it is unlikely to exceed 1.5 per cent of gross domestic product, in the best scenario. I am not sure that will be enough to persuade Italy to stop breaking European ranks on China.

Even in Germany, China’s reputation is increasing. A recent poll found that the number of Germans who seek closer relations with China is 36 per cent, against 37 per cent who favour the US. That gap used to be much wider. Among young Germans, China leads the US by a wide margin. Beijing’s clampdown in Hong Kong and the Chinese government’s role in suppressing the free flow of information about Covid-19 seems to have had little effect on public opinion in Europe, yet.


The risk for the EU is not outright disintegration, but progressive loss of cohesion. The damage done to the bloc through Brexit will be nothing compared with the damage Italy and other countries could unleash by opening up to China.

https://www.ft.com/content/4ca9aafe-9c37-11ea-adb1-529f96d8a00b
 
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Of course, germani and italian people is smart enough to realize US of A had deep problem with their divided rotten society right now.

US of A power in the future will declining much. Meanwhile in the East, there is a bright future ahead
 
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Italy right wingers threaten to leave the EU for years. But if they do today Italy will declare bankruptcy tomorrow. It’s like committing suicide. Italy public debts are $3 trillion. How will they pay back because if they leave they are forced to return to Lira? The Lira will crash at least by 50 percent by estimates. That means debts would double to $6 trillion. Chinese will not come to help Italy. They will loot Italy.

I hope Italy does not listen to chinese propaganda.

Italy future is in Germany’s hands.

https://www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-italy-future-germany/amp/
 
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Italy right wingers threaten to leave the EU for years. But if they do today Italy will declare bankruptcy tomorrow. It’s like committing suicide. Italy public debts are $3 trillion. How will they pay back because if they leave they are forced to return to Lira? The Lira will crash at least by 50 percent by estimates. That means debts would double to $6 trillion. Chinese will not come to help Italy. They will loot Italy.

I hope Italy does not listen to chinese propaganda.

Italy future is in Germany’s hands.

https://www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-italy-future-germany/amp/


Hmm unfortunately..Italian people doesn't think so :D
Meanwhile, an Italian poll sees China as the most friendly foreign country, followed by Russia. Germany is considered the least friendly foreign power, followed by France.

For China its better for Italy to stay in EU, because together with Germany and many others central european countries, they want to bring EU Closer to China and keep distance from US

 
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European Union
China is pitting EU countries against each other
Italy’s lurch towards full-blown Euroscepticism threatens the bloc’s stability
http%3A%2F%2Fcom.ft.imagepublish.upp-prod-us.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fda00d4b8-9da9-11ea-ba68-3d5500196c30

Germany's government has started to impose restrictions on foreign takeovers after robotics company Kuka was taken over by a Chinese group © Reuters

May 24, 2020 11:00 am by Wolfgang Münchau


How will we know whether Europe succeeds or fails? The discussion in the EU right now is focused sharply on macroeconomics. But I suspect the ultimate test will be the EU’s ability to develop a common position on China.

The two are linked. China has shown remarkable skill in playing EU countries off against one another — for example in the race to develop 5G mobile networks. But this is just the beginning. China is well on the way to emerge as the most influential external power for the EU.

China’s Belt and Road Initiative, a project of long-term infrastructure investment spanning the Eurasian continent, lies at the heart of China’s global industrial strategy. EU governments understand this well. The Franco-German proposal for the €500bn coronavirus recovery fund includes a specific demand for an industrial policy to protect Europe against investments by third countries in strategic sectors. Yet such a strategy would pose problems for Italy, the likely main beneficiary of future Chinese investment in Europe.

Italy became an official signatory to Belt and Road in March 2019, the only large EU country to do so. Successive Italian leaders have nurtured close bilateral relationships with their Chinese counterparts. Among existing EU countries, Italy has also attracted the second largest share of Chinese direct foreign investments since 2000. Germany has been China’s most favourite location for inward investment in the EU over that period — after the UK.

But the German government has started to impose restrictions on takeovers by making it possible for it to take stakes in high-tech companies it wants to protect. This was triggered by a Chinese takeover of Germany’s leading robotics group, Kuka, in 2016. German car companies were still developing diesel engines when China strategically invested in electrical car batteries. Germans may have a reputation for long-term investments, but China is in a different league.

Italy is well placed to benefit from the Franco-German fear of technological brain drain. Italy had lost business to China during the early years of the millennium, but these days has more to gain than to fear from the country.

However, this depends critically on whether the Italian government actively courts China or whether it aligns with the policies of France and Germany. Beijing has promised investments in the port of Trieste on Italy’s Adriatic coast, but this is not a done deal. Italy is competing with alternative locations in Croatia and Slovenia. Trieste had its heyday during the Habsburg empire. One indirect effect of the Belt and Road will be to shift Europe’s political gravity back eastward.

Meanwhile, an Italian poll sees China as the most friendly foreign country, followed by Russia. Germany is considered the least friendly foreign power, followed by France. Another poll says 44 per cent of Italians favour staying in the EU against 42 per cent who want to leave. Two years ago, that relationship was 65 per cent against 26 per cent in favour of staying.

Maybe it was the EU’s lack of solidarity with Italy in the early phase of the Covid-19 crisis that brought latent Euroscepticism out into the open. Either way, these are deeply alarming figures. Twenty years of eurozone membership have taken Italians to a point where they consider China as their most important strategic partner.

This is absurd on so many levels, but it is also an astonishing failure of the EU to have let it come to that. The EU hopes that the recovery fund will go some way to address Italy’s lurch into full-blown Euroscepticism. Some have celebrated Europe’s “Hamiltonian moment” when German chancellor Angela Merkel and France’s President Emmanuel Macron agreed their deal for the recovery fund. A back-of-the-envelope calculation of the net fiscal effect for Italy will tell you that it is unlikely to exceed 1.5 per cent of gross domestic product, in the best scenario. I am not sure that will be enough to persuade Italy to stop breaking European ranks on China.

Even in Germany, China’s reputation is increasing. A recent poll found that the number of Germans who seek closer relations with China is 36 per cent, against 37 per cent who favour the US. That gap used to be much wider. Among young Germans, China leads the US by a wide margin. Beijing’s clampdown in Hong Kong and the Chinese government’s role in suppressing the free flow of information about Covid-19 seems to have had little effect on public opinion in Europe, yet.


The risk for the EU is not outright disintegration, but progressive loss of cohesion. The damage done to the bloc through Brexit will be nothing compared with the damage Italy and other countries could unleash by opening up to China.

https://www.ft.com/content/4ca9aafe-9c37-11ea-adb1-529f96d8a00b
Cheap lips service, German telecom companies just dumped Huawei to please US :cool:
 
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Hmm unfortunately..Italian people doesn't think so :D
Meanwhile, an Italian poll sees China as the most friendly foreign country, followed by Russia. Germany is considered the least friendly foreign power, followed by France.

For China its better for Italy to stay in EU, because together with Germany and many others central european countries, they want to bring EU Closer to China and keep distance from US
They hate Germany. Ok.
Because they know they have no future without Germany.

Italy, Spain, Greece, Poland, the entire East Europe are at Germany’s mercy.

All are on brink of collapse because of virus crisis that came from China.

you mean they are keen to lean on China?

for what?

more virus?
 
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Cheap lips service, German telecom companies just dumped Huawei to please US :cool:

You read to much american propaganda :D

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https://www.capacitymedia.com/artic...ur-european-vodafone-companies-are-100-huawei

They hate Germany. Ok.
Because they know they have no future without Germany.

Italy, Spain, Greece, Poland, the entire East Europe are at Germany’s mercy.

All are on brink of collapse because of virus crisis that came from China.

you mean they are keen to lean on China?

for what?

more virus?

Germany itself wants EU to move closer toward China and keep distance from US of A influence :enjoy:

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Germany works with China
Germany invests in China
China invests in Germany
Italy works with China
Italy invests in China
China invests in Italy
Germany responds to U.S. financial locusts destroying German economy and U.S. theft of intellectual property.

Conclusion by U.S. regime mouthpiece: China is dividing Europe
 
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They dont use Huawei 5G, only outdated 4G components.

4G is not outdated, especially if you living in 3G country :lol:

Doesn't matter 4G or 5G, all of that generate revenue for Huawei. and thats why they are the Market Leader in this segment :enjoy:

Germany works with China
Germany invests in China
China invests in Germany
Italy works with China
Italy invests in China
China invests in Italy
Germany responds to U.S. financial locusts destroying German economy and U.S. theft of intellectual property.

Conclusion by U.S. regime mouthpiece: China is dividing Europe

Typical white supremacist double standard toward Asian.

As Asian people we need to stand up against this dual standard
 
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4G is not outdated, especially if you living in 3G country :lol:

Doesn't matter 4G or 5G, all of that generate revenue for Huawei. and thats why they are the Market Leader in this segment :enjoy:



Typical white supremacist double standard toward Asian.

As Asian people we need to stand up against this dual standard
But selling 4G only is not enough to save CN economy.

During culture revolution, there were just 700 millions starving Cnese.

Now, CN have 600 millions starving Cnese plus 205 millions jobless Cnese.

This time, CN is even worse than Mao's time :lol:
 
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But selling 4G only is not enough to save CN economy.

During culture revolution, there were just 700 millions starving Cnese.

Now, CN have 600 millions starving Cnese plus 205 millions jobless Cnese.

This time, CN is even worse than Mao's time :lol:

Yeah yeah yeah..
China is poor and backward, their people starving yet they Keep piling up their Overseas Assets, keep investing in overseas country, become a Creditor Nations, buying all commodities from every part of the world, keep building massive infrastructure and industry in their country :enjoy:
 
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Italy right wingers threaten to leave the EU for years. But if they do today Italy will declare bankruptcy tomorrow. It’s like committing suicide. Italy public debts are $3 trillion. How will they pay back because if they leave they are forced to return to Lira? The Lira will crash at least by 50 percent by estimates. That means debts would double to $6 trillion. Chinese will not come to help Italy. They will loot Italy.

I hope Italy does not listen to chinese propaganda.

Italy future is in Germany’s hands.

https://www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-italy-future-germany/amp/

And Germany is moving away from the US. EU wants to be and will become a third pole in a multipolared world, especially with Britain gone, the ability for US to sway EU is becoming ever more tenuous. And yes, Germany needs to hold the EU together in order to stay relevant. Italy will certainly remain there to pull the EU in a direction that's more favorable to China, all thanks to Trump.
 
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