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German Muslims must obey law, not sharia: Merkel

The can tie knot and make pheraz but that won't be legal marriage according to German law. Hope you know the difference between law and rituals.
Muslims don't tie knots & make pheeraz!!! they sign marriage certificate in presence of witnesses. Anyways, like i said earlier this talk about Shariah was totally irrelevant as Muslims don't practice Shariah on their own or within their communities.
 
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Muslims don't tie knots & make pheeraz!!! they sign marriage certificate in presence of witnesses. Anyways, like i said earlier this talk about Shariah was totally irrelevant as Muslims don't practice Shariah on their own or within their communities.

Muslims have many customs which will deem illegal to German laws, specially the one about getting divorced.

I know Muslims don't tie knots and make pheraz, neither have I claimed the same. What's the purpose of first line?
 
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Perhpas this was a vote winner move. On the other side, the actions of some illogical, bigoted and terrorists have badly damaged the peaceful lives of millions of muslims in Europe. Also, the muslims being under achieved and being eager to be on benefit than work etc is badly damaging us too, we need to be good citizens, get the quality educations, work hard, have a decent life as well as respect the laws of the adopted country.
 
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Muslims have many customs which will deem illegal to German laws, specially the one about getting divorced.

I know Muslims don't tie knots and make pheraz, neither have I claimed the same. What's the purpose of first line?
The purpose is pretty obvious, Muslims don't follow rituals in legal matters as you insinuated. Even if they get divorced by saying " Tallaq" 3 times the legal proceedings are not exempted, not to mention people can take their marriages to courts as well & i am just talking about Pakistan here, so to say that Muslims profess their traditional beliefs, values, practices everywhere is completely absurd.
 
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What sharia laws are being followed by Muslims in Germany ?

1. If they are offering their prayers then whats the issue with Christians or Jews there?


2. If they are following personal laws like marriage etc etc according to their religion then what is the problem with that ? After all everyone from other faith is doing so as well.


I feel they are trying to confused personal Islamic laws with sharia. Sharia has more to do with administration of many things in a social system including governance which in my views is NOT at all followed by Muslims in any non-Muslim or even Islamic country.

Bingo ..I am almost agree with you ...........
Kind of similar opinion I have..but finally it depends how any state is interpreting sharia laws.
 
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Bingo ..I am almost agree with you ...........
Kind of similar opinion I have..but finally it depends how any state is interpreting sharia laws.
But shouldn't that state also try to provide proof or at least some illustrations where Shariah law has come into conflict with its national law? I mean, shouldn't Merkel be more specific when she says that Muslims should follow German law instead of Shariah while living in Germany, its highly dubious that Muslims living in Germany follow shariah when several Muslim states across the world don't even have Shariah law ?
If Germans consider freedom to profess Islam as a Shariah law then it's not the problem with Interpretation it's just their "insidious hypocrisy". No matter what they say Nazis were "German's" or can they proof with scientific knowledge that they were some special species? Anyways after killing millions of jews, i kind of expected germans to be little tolerant, but, i guess i was wrong they still believe in "Uberdeutcheman" philosophy
 
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The purpose is pretty obvious, Muslims don't follow rituals in legal matters as you insinuated. Even if they get divorced by saying " Tallaq" 3 times the legal proceedings are not exempted, not to mention people can take their marriages to courts as well & i am just talking about Pakistan here, so to say that Muslims profess their traditional beliefs, values, practices everywhere is completely absurd.

Sorry I don't think I understand. Saying 3 talaqs won't break any law, but getting divorced in this way won't be legal according to German law. It's legal for Muslims according to Indian law although.
 
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Sorry I don't think I understand. Saying 3 talaqs won't break any law, but getting divorced in this way won't be legal according to German law. It's legal for Muslims according to Indian law although.
Dude, allow me to rephrase my previous statement. Saying Tallaq 3 times doesn't complete the legal proceedings even if you are in a Muslim state you gotta have certificate or relevant papers prepared to be legally considered divorced. Saying Tallaq is just like you have announced to divorce your spouse but legal work still remains to be done.
 
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Well it's their country and their law so German citizens have to follow it :smokin:
 
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Dude, allow me to rephrase my previous statement. Saying Tallaq 3 times doesn't complete the legal proceedings even if you are in a Muslim state you gotta have certificate or relevant papers prepared to be legally considered divorced. Saying Tallaq is just like you have announced to divorce your spouse but legal work still remains to be done.

It does complete the legal proceedings in India, don't know about Muslims countries.
 
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Has anyone noticed the pattern of spontaneous anti-Muslim (whether 'justified' or not) remarks popping up in Europe lately?

Not trying to suggest something, but I wonder if there is a connection...
 
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We need a Uniform Civil Code ,not different codes for different religions.

And not if they wish, it should be mandatory.



I dont think there is any opposition from Hindu groups for the Uniform Civil Code.

India is home to many religious groups other than Hindus. It is not possible to have an uniform civil code.

Why would Muslims turn towards a uniform law board? They have been living their lives according to those codes for all their lives.

Why can't they have a separate law board. As long as there is clear distinction between sin and punishable crime I have no issues having a Muslim law board.

In case of Germany, immigrants going to the country should know the laws of the country before the apply for immigration. Once there they have to follow the rule of land, and not impose there own laws.
 
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It does complete the legal proceedings in India, don't know about Muslims countries.

:what:

you still have to go through the legal proceeding to get officially divorced. How else would the government know whether you are divorced?

But I always wondered, how many wives would a muslim be allowed to have if get divorced??? According to the law board you are allowed to have 4 wives, but what is you divorce your first wife? Are you allowed to marry 3 women of 4?
 
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One question to all friends - Is that sharia conflict with German laws?It give impression that sharia laws are not good to follow.

becoz german law is unable to protect muslims with the blasphemous cartoons, infact, the german govt encouraged publishing more of these disrespectful stuff, so naturally muslims are angry and want the laws to protect them, its nothing but merkel responsible for whats happening, she was unable to address the issue!!
 
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:what:

you still have to go through the legal proceeding to get officially divorced. How else would the government know whether you are divorced?

But I always wondered, how many wives would a muslim be allowed to have if get divorced??? According to the law board you are allowed to have 4 wives, but what is you divorce your first wife? Are you allowed to marry 3 women of 4?

Four wives (that is, if you can even afford to have two! :cheesy:) at any given time... if you divorce your wife, you can marry upto 4

'Marry woman of your choice in twos' threes' or fours' but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly, (with them), then only one' [Al-Qur'an 4:3]

Of course, 1 might be more than enough;)
 
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