Future conflict of Pakistan

[Darth Vader]

Generals play while soldiers fight.
And this is more of a suggestion.
Chess and War have many similarities , once a move is done you cant take it back
was thinking how future combats will take place if that happenes between India and Pakistan
with Pakistan being much smaller nation what steps they can take for the survival i wont go straight to nukes , Nukes are stalement and make sure players dont play.
"the only winning move is not to play." Famous words said by AI.

1 Traning commanders
First doing big military exercises are expensive and take planning
Just like simiulator use of AI , and tactital games which will enhance the reaction times of commanders , will show there abilities and weaknes , show the apporach they take to different kinds of situation and mentaliy perparing for them
2 Quantum Tech and AI
these two technologies will change the word and its the best time to invest in it it can run simultaneous simulations which can help and lower the response time and can show enemies weakness
3 Using Terrain to home sides advantage
Building bunkers outspots which can hold or delay enemies push , Rebuilding local forces which are close to border as they will be 1st responders after Rangers until main forces take over.
Pakistan and india both have big advantage and disadvantage , border region is heavily populated this can delay enemies push on either side.
4 Increasing size by deploying decoys
Decoys play a major role in warfare , deploying decoys in that can help alot building decoys which affect thermal and infra red sensors and show that defending forces are superior in numbers can have a psychological affect on both defenders and attackers
5 Mobile Anti Air units
Pakistan has been lacking in long range Sams , if Pakistan is able to deploy a highly mobile anti air system which can protect from mid range and deploy long range systems in its safety it will limit Indian air forces mobility inside Pakistan
with Armed helis protecting armour can help alot in stopping Indian push as they have much bigger force in numbers
6 Drones
Air and Naval drones can do many jobs e.g survillance ,Attack and defend
deploying long endurance drones as parts of units will help in lowering loss on friendly side with providing latest update on enemy movement to attacking enemy.
Building drone ******** which can push while friendlys can retreat or flank army.
7 Traning of units
As all units are desgined with a specific role , deploying them and terraning them in different other roles will help them nurture , it will diversify the thinking makes units more flexiable to missions and can show the limits and skills of soldiers itself.
8 Propganda
Deception will be the best friend leakingwrong information , using enemies communication lines to attack , flee for own advantage , making sure of protecting own comm channels
9 Supplies
Building Road and Train infrastructure which move transport supplies at fast pace , make sure its well protected build alternatives so you are not solely dependent on 1 road or train route

 

[Goenitz]

Quantom Tech and AI

 

[FuturePAF]

How does Israel scare off the Arab nations from full fledged war? Political maneuvers and economic development backup by asymmetric military tactics and a qualitative edge in cutting edge technologies keep the adversary from ever being comfortable. Pakistan Should study Israel and their tactics inside and out.

Also the 2006 Hezbollah war should be studied in great detail. The tactics and attrition warfare by both sides opened up lessons about modern warfare and the limits of it as well.

https://www.reddit.com/r/path%3D%252Fr%252FMilitary%252Fcomments%252F5gtntx%252F

 

[Darth Vader]

How does Israel scare off the Arab nations from full fledged war? Political maneuvers and economic development backup by asymmetric military tactics and a qualitative edge in cutting edge technologies keep the adversary from ever being comfortable. Pakistan Should study Israel and their tactics inside and out.

Also the 2006 Hezbollah war should be studied in great detail. The tactics and attrition warfare by both sides opened up lessons about modern warfare and the limits of it as well.

https://www.reddit.com/r/path%3D%252Fr%252FMilitary%252Fcomments%252F5gtntx%252F

Arab lost mostly because of there own mistakes and Israel was a capable foe with technology edge as well defending own homes

 

[FuturePAF]

Arab lost mostly because of there own mistakes and Israel was a capable foe with technology edge as well defending own homes

true the Arab armies did make a lot of mistakes, but on so many levels the Israelis used better tactics against Arab armies, when the Arab armies had some tactical or even strategically well thought out plans. Equally, Hezbollah used some decisive tactics in 2006, that negated the advantage of the Israeli high tech, and modern ISR.

See the map above to see the layered approach Hezbollah is alleged to have used in the 2006 war. fighting in southern Lebanon became very difficult for the IDF. they had a plan, but even that plan was predictable enough that Hezbollah countered with ambush points and ways to slow down the IDF advance even when the IDF has Air Superiority, ISR Superiority, and technological superiority. It came to the point that actual fighting became useless for the IDF and they had to withdraw as remaining there would just have caused them to incur more losses for no real gain.

All round it was a major loss for the IDF, especially psychologically, and that can be seen by the collapse of the Olmert government and the wariness of the IDF to make incursions into Lebanon for the past decade.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Dear sirs, the future conflict will not involve branches of ghe armed services, pakistan is already fighting the war now, the future conflict is a war on our economy, once pakistan is economically strong, its the biggest bargaining chip the country can use, having an advanced military is for show, fancy military parades etc, in the 21st century it doesnt mean much imo
when was the last time you saw 2 armies of equal strength face off in a pitched battle? These things dont happen in this day and age, look at germany it controls the EU they have countries like greece by the balls, take a look at there army it barely has an army of much strength, the germans realized that stregth comes through various different ways, the side with tne most money will always win the conflicts unless we see a major improvement in our economy we will be nowhere and thr country will break up

Before WW1 many folks thought that the world's economy was so inter connected that the world would never see a major conflict any longer!!! The rest is history..

The Guns of August by Barabara Tuchman

 

[KhalaiMakhlooq]

Generals play while soldiers fight.
And this is more of a suggestion.
Chess and War have many similarities , once a move is done you cant take it back
was thinking how future combats will take place if that happenes between India and Pakistan
with Pakistan being much smaller nation what steps they can take for the survival i wont go straight to nukes , Nukes are stalement and make sure players dont play.
"the only winning move is not to play." Famous words said by AI.

1 Traning commanders
First doing big military exercises are expensive and take planning
Just like simiulator use of AI , and tactital games which will enhance the reaction times of commanders , will show there abilities and weaknes , show the apporach they take to different kinds of situation and mentaliy perparing for them
2 Quantum Tech and AI
these two technologies will change the word and its the best time to invest in it it can run simultaneous simulations which can help and lower the response time and can show enemies weakness
3 Using Terrain to home sides advantage
Building bunkers outspots which can hold or delay enemies push , Rebuilding local forces which are close to border as they will be 1st responders after Rangers until main forces take over.
Pakistan and india both have big advantage and disadvantage , border region is heavily populated this can delay enemies push on either side.
4 Increasing size by deploying decoys
Decoys play a major role in warfare , deploying decoys in that can help alot building decoys which affect thermal and infra red sensors and show that defending forces are superior in numbers can have a psychological affect on both defenders and attackers
5 Mobile Anti Air units
Pakistan has been lacking in long range Sams , if Pakistan is able to deploy a highly mobile anti air system which can protect from mid range and deploy long range systems in its safety it will limit Indian air forces mobility inside Pakistan
with Armed helis protecting armour can help alot in stopping Indian push as they have much bigger force in numbers
6 Drones
Air and Naval drones can do many jobs e.g survillance ,Attack and defend
deploying long endurance drones as parts of units will help in lowering loss on friendly side with providing latest update on enemy movement to attacking enemy.
Building drone ******** which can push while friendlys can retreat or flank army.
7 Traning of units
As all units are desgined with a specific role , deploying them and terraning them in different other roles will help them nurture , it will diversify the thinking makes units more flexiable to missions and can show the limits and skills of soldiers itself.
8 Propganda
Deception will be the best friend leakingwrong information , using enemies communication lines to attack , flee for own advantage , making sure of protecting own comm channels
9 Supplies
Building Road and Train infrastructure which move transport supplies at fast pace , make sure its well protected build alternatives so you are not solely dependent on 1 road or train route

Future conflicts.

"We live in the days where entire countries can be taken over without firing a single shot"

Pakistan is 200M people in a geographic area. Those people have one weakness. Their minds. If you can take their mind, you own Pakistan.

It is easier to get into the mind of a people and cause integration towards a foreign force than for a military to take it over. The biggest battle for all, is the information war, a new cold war per se, where the battlefield has become all things information.

On general matters of knowledge, which is the specific domain of the mind, there is an important distinction between "knowing that" (know a concept), "knowing how" (understand an operation), and "acquaintance-knowledge" (know by relation).

Without going into Philosophy, which is the knowledge of knowledge itself, people need to know that intelligence is not just reading, writing and arithmetic and science-facts, but "how to think", "how to understand information" and "how to discern".

If you are constantly bombarded with uncontrolled information from around the world, your mind will change. This is the realm of war.

When protecting a Nation, it is a more effective defensive measure to have 200M people who can defend their minds from hostile attack than having a standing army. You can build all the navy, air force and army, but if the people are subjected to a foreign power, they are useless.

 

[Darth Vader]

Dear sirs, the future conflict will not involve branches of ghe armed services, pakistan is already fighting the war now, the future conflict is a war on our economy, once pakistan is economically strong, its the biggest bargaining chip the country can use, having an advanced military is for show, fancy military parades etc, in the 21st century it doesnt mean much imo
when was the last time you saw 2 armies of equal strength face off in a pitched battle? These things dont happen in this day and age, look at germany it controls the EU they have countries like greece by the balls, take a look at there army it barely has an army of much strength, the germans realized that stregth comes through various different ways, the side with tne most money will always win the conflicts unless we see a major improvement in our economy we will be nowhere and thr country will break up

Iraq, syria , ukarain ,just in last few years
Your example doesnt fit Germany is part of Nato and they had russia and its buggy man EU depends alot on Uncle Sams fire power
One reason they are trying to build army
Pakistan cant simply ignore building army you have India right next to door who is building its forces at rapid force and Pakistan have always choosen strategic balance

Future conflicts.

"We live in the days where entire countries can be taken over without firing a single shot"

Pakistan is 200M people in a geographic area. Those people have one weakness. Their minds. If you can take their mind, you own Pakistan.

It is easier to get into the mind of a people and cause integration towards a foreign force than for a military to take it over. The biggest battle for all, is the information war, a new cold war per se, where the battlefield has become all things information.

On general matters of knowledge, which is the specific domain of the mind, there is an important distinction between "knowing that" (know a concept), "knowing how" (understand an operation), and "acquaintance-knowledge" (know by relation).

Without going into Philosophy, which is the knowledge of knowledge itself, people need to know that intelligence is not just reading, writing and arithmetic and science-facts, but "how to think", "how to understand information" and "how to discern".

If you are constantly bombarded with uncontrolled information from around the world, your mind will change. This is the realm of war.

When protecting a Nation, it is a more effective defensive measure to have 200M people who can defend their minds from hostile attack than having a standing army. You can build all the navy, air force and army, but if the people are subjected to a foreign power, they are useless.

Fifth Generation is already in play with covert and overt influnce

Building a nations character is always a leaders job but in past 50 years Pakistan didnt had any true leaders who can set nations long term objective

 

[Signalian]

Why to talk of a future conflict when Pakistan is already in a conflict with India, not just on LOC, but a spy and espionage war being fought on all fronts against Pakistan. The amount of Indian involvement inside Baluchistan, KPK, Sindh and southern Baluchistan is undeniable through the likes of TTP, BLA and other extremist elements following a distorted and radicalized concept of Islam. Pakistani military is on a full alert on the western border, basically stretching from Quetta upto Chitral and further as red-zone and then few major parts of border south-west of Quetta.

The chances of Pakistan winning in a full scale war involving all military services and different kinds of weapons are very dim. Its not just that Pakistan is smaller in size or lacks resources; Pakistan is already tied down in a major conflict (aka WOT), the military and paramilitary are deputed at sensitive locations inside Pakistan instead of garrisons or borders, carrying out raids and Operations in urban, semi-urban and rural areas ranging from deserts to plains to mountains. Despite increase in numbers of troops and para-military, as well as technology and weapons, there seems to be no end to this war. The wall/fence on Durand line is in the process of being constructed but its evident that Pakistan's western border demands more resources, more troops and more weaponry like UAV's Gunships etc. Pakistan's enemy are active on both sides of the border. It will be in India's interest to keep the western border active to make the Pakistani Military bleed as long as it can while maintaining pressure on LOC by killing civilians and soldiers alike; killing civilians to demoralize the nation in regards to Pakistan Army and killing PA soldiers to increase attrition rates on eastern border too. The hunting season for Indian has been in full bloom for years and years now, however the successes achieved by Pakistani Military are also not in short numbers. A lot of sacrifices have been made by Pakistanis (civilians and soldiers). Pakistan's aims regarding independence of Kashmir and the freedom of kashmiris from Indian oppression are still intact, but active involvement has declined after 2000's. If the first objective of Pakistan would be to win and end the menace of WOT, the second objective would be to free Kashmir from tyranny of Indian Military.

The war on terror for Pakistan is also an actual war on the border, but it cannot be won on the border only. This war is about a mindset concerning religion and ideology of individuals who have been brainwashed while still being paid. This war is about Psy-Ops, Black-Ops, media, religion and technology. Every institution of Pakistan has been targeted. There have been attempts to malign Pakistan's name and isolate Pakistan from the rest of the world, yet Pakistan is making progressing in it survival and prosperity, inch by inch. Not even a piece of land has been lost to the enemy unlike 1971. This is exactly what Pakistan's enemies are afraid of. Pakistan has inducted fresh formations, more troops, new and technologically advanced weapons in it arsenal despite fighting an active war on western front and amicably responding on LOC while surviving on diplomatic front. Pakistan has converted an old enemy (Russia) into a friend and distanced itself from a double-faced super power (USA) while gone closer to China, Turkey and Iran (recently). Pakistani Military has raised Light Infantry forces and upgraded paramilitary through training, gear and weaponry. Pakistan has carried out operations successfully on the western border through the use of gunships, transport helicopters, UAV's, Special forces and the Air Force. From time to time, Pakistan brings in the Armor on the front to show its prowess to the enemy. A major step would be to triple the funding of Intelligence agencies so ISI can create new wings and put more men in the field and new technology on the ground. There is no way to go around the intelligence Ops, the enemy has shown its true colours in 1971 through its primary intelligence agency, RAW, which has now expanded its role inside Afghanistan, Baluchistan and Kashmir. Pakistan should also look into forming newer SSG units whose role will be conducting joint Ops with ISI and other intelligence agencies only, inside and outside Pakistan. This formation should be handed nimble helicopters like UH-6, given intel by agents in the field, SIGINT and UAV's, provided fire power by Gunships, artillery and paramilitary which could be local assets already deployed in the area. The reason that only SSG wings should be attached with ISI is for the secrecy of the operations. Paramilitary should be involved on need to know basis and for cordoning off the area after the operation has commenced. The involvement of local police should be kept to bear minimum. The scope of such operations should not be limited inside Pakistan but should also be carried out inside Afghanistan to deter the enemy from developing more camps, more compounds and more complexes whose sole existence is to target Pakistan. The nature of Ops carried outside Pakistan should be kept secret as the enemy will still the message, unless it has to made vocal due to change in circumstances. If an ISI wing and an SSG unit is raised dedicated for these Ops, striking swiftly and effectively where the trouble is going to take place and apprehending terrorists before they cause destruction, the frequency of terrorists entering the country will start to diminish from the western border. And after this happens, the operations can be taken to the other side of the border. The ISI/SSG units should be supported by PA UCAV's, PAA gunships and PAF fighters as well as a ground force composed of armed motorized units to extract the Ops team in any contingency. Pakistan should take up all necessary steps to counter and destroy enemies who challenge Pakistan's survival.

India is militarily bigger than Pakistan and will not back down from damaging Pakistan on any given opportunity. For a conventional war with India, Pakistan should develop and enhance different types of forces in size-able number such as Marines for amphibious Ops, Para troopers for air borne/air assault Ops, proper set up of ground EW/SIGINT formations and increase the number of PAF fighter squadrons on priority basis. Pakistan already has a decent number of infantry and artillery formations. Its the variety in different types of warfare where Pakistan needs to allocate its man power. If a para troop brigade is et up, then pressure will be relieved on SSG to conduct all para and air assault missions. Pakistan lacks numbers in transport helicopters, MBT's, APC's and atleast one SAM system in the category of Patriot/S-400. The SSG, SSW and SSG(N) should be the spear tip of the attack in the conventional war; SSG should be sabotaging enemy strike Corps movement from garrison to war zone, targeting enemy red tapers and top brass, destroying enemy ordnance and fuel dumps, sniping on enemy convoy drivers especially going after fuel carrying convoys, creating confusion in enemy lines through attacks on enemy HQ's and destroying communication sites/towers, bridges, railways and dams. SSW should attack enemy major air bases and target installations and aircrafts, sabotage aircraft on the ground and sabotage runways, keep the air bases under fire as long as possible so no planes can take off, strike at enemy Air HQ's and target their top brass and target fuel dumps and munition bunkers, targeting Radar and SAM sites. Similarly, SSG (N) should be attacking IN dockyards and Naval bases to destroy ships, conduct frog men Ops for sabotaging ships, destroying communication and radar sites, targeting Naval HQ's and top brass, laying mines on approximate paths of approach of IN ships towards Pakistan coast and targeting amphibious vessels so an amphibious ops doesnt take place. ISI should be attacking major RAW's offices and field offices, creating confusion in enemy lies by spreading mis-information, impersonating enemy top brass to give false orders, creating an uprising in Kashmir by giving hope to locals and supplying weapons to freedom fighters captured from Indian military, hacking enemy government websites as well hacking into enemy communication and IT systems, target local police stations -fund mafia to create chaos and fund smugglers to step up their Operations and send weapons anywhere inside India and using these resources for assassinating RAW agents. Pakistani Military should form a "Deception HQ" formation whose job should be deceiving and deception; dummy MBT's, APC's, aircrafts etc should be brought up as soon the clouds of war loom. Similarly, non-existent formations should be set up and their names/numbers taken again and again in wireless communication over HF.UHF and VHF radios. On the contrary, PA should use civilian trucks and vehicles for transport and movement, a job suited for Logistics Area Command. Since IAF aircrafts has more in number than PAF, therefore PAF and PA should reply on Mobile SAM's distributed in decent numbers near cities and town. These mobile SAM's should harass and target enemy aircrafts, intercepting them from the ground as advised by PAF AWACS and ground radars. The mobile SAM's could also be alerted as soon as IAF's aircrafts get airborne. Pakistani media should highlight indian military atrocities committed on kashmiris as well as on pakistani military/civilians and ensure that such photos/videos reach every nook and corner of the world. The media should also show destruction caused inside Pakistan by IA offensives and IAF bombings. Pakistan has to invest into R&D of defence equipment and components so the likes of JF-17 and Al Khalid could become 100% indigenous, so far most Pakistani military systems and weapons use missiles or range of components from foreign suppliers.

 

[CriticalThought]

Why to talk of a future conflict when Pakistan is already in a conflict with India, not just on LOC, but a spy and espionage war being fought on all fronts against Pakistan. The amount of Indian involvement inside Baluchistan, KPK, Sindh and southern Baluchistan is undeniable through the likes of TTP, BLA and other extremist elements following a distorted and radicalized concept of Islam. Pakistani military is on a full alert on the western border, basically stretching from Quetta upto Chitral and further as red-zone and then few major parts of border south-west of Quetta.

The chances of Pakistan winning in a full scale war involving all military services and different kinds of weapons are very dim. Its not just that Pakistan is smaller in size or lacks resources; Pakistan is already tied down in a major conflict (aka WOT), the military and paramilitary are deputed at sensitive locations inside Pakistan instead of garrisons or borders, carrying out raids and Operations in urban, semi-urban and rural areas ranging from deserts to plains to mountains. Despite increase in numbers of troops and para-military, as well as technology and weapons, there seems to be no end to this war. The wall/fence on Durand line is in the process of being constructed but its evident that Pakistan's western border demands more resources, more troops and more weaponry like UAV's Gunships etc. Pakistan's enemy are active on both sides of the border. It will be in India's interest to keep the western border active to make the Pakistani Military bleed as long as it can while maintaining pressure on LOC by killing civilians and soldiers alike; killing civilians to demoralize the nation in regards to Pakistan Army and killing PA soldiers to increase attrition rates on eastern border too. The hunting season for Indian has been in full bloom for years and years now, however the successes achieved by Pakistani Military are also not in short numbers. A lot of sacrifices have been made by Pakistanis (civilians and soldiers). Pakistan's aims regarding independence of Kashmir and the freedom of kashmiris from Indian oppression are still intact, but active involvement has declined after 2000's. If the first objective of Pakistan would be to win and end the menace of WOT, the second objective would be to free Kashmir from tyranny of Indian Military.

The war on terror for Pakistan is also an actual war on the border, but it cannot be won on the border only. This war is about a mindset concerning religion and ideology of individuals who have been brainwashed while still being paid. This war is about Psy-Ops, Black-Ops, media, religion and technology. Every institution of Pakistan has been targeted. There have been attempts to malign Pakistan's name and isolate Pakistan from the rest of the world, yet Pakistan is making progressing in it survival and prosperity, inch by inch. Not even a piece of land has been lost to the enemy unlike 1971. This is exactly what Pakistan's enemies are afraid of. Pakistan has inducted fresh formations, more troops, new and technologically advanced weapons in it arsenal despite fighting an active war on western front and amicably responding on LOC while surviving on diplomatic front. Pakistan has converted an old enemy (Russia) into a friend and distanced itself from a double-faced super power (USA) while gone closer to China, Turkey and Iran (recently). Pakistani Military has raised Light Infantry forces and upgraded paramilitary through training, gear and weaponry. Pakistan has carried out operations successfully on the western border through the use of gunships, transport helicopters, UAV's, Special forces and the Air Force. From time to time, Pakistan brings in the Armor on the front to show its prowess to the enemy. A major step would be to triple the funding of Intelligence agencies so ISI can create new wings and put more men in the field and new technology on the ground. There is no way to go around the intelligence Ops, the enemy has shown its true colours in 1971 through its primary intelligence agency, RAW, which has now expanded its role inside Afghanistan, Baluchistan and Kashmir. Pakistan should also look into forming newer SSG units whose role will be conducting joint Ops with ISI and other intelligence agencies only, inside and outside Pakistan. This formation should be handed nimble helicopters like UH-6, given intel by agents in the field, SIGINT and UAV's, provided fire power by Gunships, artillery and paramilitary which could be local assets already deployed in the area. The reason that only SSG wings should be attached with ISI is for the secrecy of the operations. Paramilitary should be involved on need to know basis and for cordoning off the area after the operation has commenced. The involvement of local police should be kept to bear minimum. The scope of such operations should not be limited inside Pakistan but should also be carried out inside Afghanistan to deter the enemy from developing more camps, more compounds and more complexes whose sole existence is to target Pakistan. The nature of Ops carried outside Pakistan should be kept secret as the enemy will still the message, unless it has to made vocal due to change in circumstances. If an ISI wing and an SSG unit is raised dedicated for these Ops, striking swiftly and effectively where the trouble is going to take place and apprehending terrorists before they cause destruction, the frequency of terrorists entering the country will start to diminish from the western border. And after this happens, the operations can be taken to the other side of the border. The ISI/SSG units should be supported by PA UCAV's, PAA gunships and PAF fighters as well as a ground force composed of armed motorized units to extract the Ops team in any contingency. Pakistan should take up all necessary steps to counter and destroy enemies who challenge Pakistan's survival.

India is militarily bigger than Pakistan and will not back down from damaging Pakistan on any given opportunity. For a conventional war with India, Pakistan should develop and enhance different types of forces in size-able number such as Marines for amphibious Ops, Para troopers for air borne/air assault Ops, proper set up of ground EW/SIGINT formations and increase the number of PAF fighter squadrons on priority basis. Pakistan already has a decent number of infantry and artillery formations. Its the variety in different types of warfare where Pakistan needs to allocate its man power. If a para troop brigade is et up, then pressure will be relieved on SSG to conduct all para and air assault missions. Pakistan lacks numbers in transport helicopters, MBT's, APC's and atleast one SAM system in the category of Patriot/S-400. The SSG, SSW and SSG(N) should be the spear tip of the attack in the conventional war; SSG should be sabotaging enemy strike Corps movement from garrison to war zone, targeting enemy red tapers and top brass, destroying enemy ordnance and fuel dumps, sniping on enemy convoy drivers especially going after fuel carrying convoys, creating confusion in enemy lines through attacks on enemy HQ's and destroying communication sites/towers, bridges, railways and dams. SSW should attack enemy major air bases and target installations and aircrafts, sabotage aircraft on the ground and sabotage runways, keep the air bases under fire as long as possible so no planes can take off, strike at enemy Air HQ's and target their top brass and target fuel dumps and munition bunkers, targeting Radar and SAM sites. Similarly, SSG (N) should be attacking IN dockyards and Naval bases to destroy ships, conduct frog men Ops for sabotaging ships, destroying communication and radar sites, targeting Naval HQ's and top brass, laying mines on approximate paths of approach of IN ships towards Pakistan coast and targeting amphibious vessels so an amphibious ops doesnt take place. ISI should be attacking major RAW's offices and field offices, creating confusion in enemy lies by spreading mis-information, impersonating enemy top brass to give false orders, creating an uprising in Kashmir by giving hope to locals and supplying weapons to freedom fighters captured from Indian military, hacking enemy government websites as well hacking into enemy communication and IT systems, target local police stations -fund mafia to create chaos and fund smugglers to step up their Operations and send weapons anywhere inside India and using these resources for assassinating RAW agents. Pakistani Military should form a "Deception HQ" formation whose job should be deceiving and deception; dummy MBT's, APC's, aircrafts etc should be brought up as soon the clouds of war loom. Similarly, non-existent formations should be set up and their names/numbers taken again and again in wireless communication over HF.UHF and VHF radios. On the contrary, PA should use civilian trucks and vehicles for transport and movement, a job suited for Logistics Area Command. Since IAF aircrafts has more in number than PAF, therefore PAF and PA should reply on Mobile SAM's distributed in decent numbers near cities and town. These mobile SAM's should harass and target enemy aircrafts, intercepting them from the ground as advised by PAF AWACS and ground radars. The mobile SAM's could also be alerted as soon as IAF's aircrafts get airborne. Pakistani media should highlight indian military atrocities committed on kashmiris as well as on pakistani military/civilians and ensure that such photos/videos reach every nook and corner of the world. The media should also show destruction caused inside Pakistan by IA offensives and IAF bombings. Pakistan has to invest into R&D of defence equipment and components so the likes of JF-17 and Al Khalid could become 100% indigenous, so far most Pakistani military systems and weapons use missiles or range of components from foreign suppliers.

I smell dejection and capitulation.That entire wall is a manifestation of cowardice and backward thinking that are hallmarks of the Pakistani nation. The enemy's plan was to engage you on the Western border and conveniently enough you go and fall into the same trap. This trap will bleed you dry until and unless you whip up the courage to take over Afghan territory and set things right under the umbrella of CPEC. Drop the charade of 'facilitating talks' and topple the Afghan government already
Tell the Americans you are ready to gradually take over the war from them. And on the Eastern front, unleash a campaign of instability upon the enemy. Attack the economic jugular which enables him to strut around.

 

[araz]

I smell dejection and capitulation.That entire wall is a manifestation of cowardice and backward thinking that are hallmarks of the Pakistani nation. The enemy's plan was to engage you on the Western border and conveniently enough you go and fall into the same trap. This trap will bleed you dry until and unless you whip up the courage to take over Afghan territory and set things right under the umbrella of CPEC. Drop the charade of 'facilitating talks' and topple the Afghan government already
Tell the Americans you are ready to gradually take over the war from them. And on the Eastern front, unleash a campaign of instability upon the enemy. Attack the economic jugular which enables him to strut around.

This is what the enemy would want you to do. You have set up a wall spending nearly 2 billion and now you want to go over and start taking Afghan Territory. Then you make the ordinary Afghan your enemy. To date NO ONE has won a war against them on their own territory and you think we can do it?How? Factor in the cost of:an offensive operation which is going to be for a long time and you are spending 1-2 billion a couple of days. How long do you think your offensive will last and how long will Pakistan last?
I feel that the wall will give you 2 frontiers one from where there will be limited influx but more importantly if you can stop the flow of arms and cash across all the insurgency will die down. I also think we should control the Iran border in a similar manner and reduce our expenditures and then concentrate our energies in house first before retaliating outwards. I dont think we should do anything more than morally support the Kashmiris in their right for self determination and use our press effectively. This is all that is needed. Sooner or later the IA will have to find an-alternative to this expensive insurgency in Kashmir.

A

 

[fitpOsitive]

Arab lost mostly because of there own mistakes and Israel was a capable foe with technology edge as well defending own homes

Arab lost wars against Israel because of the western support.
Israel couldnt beat hizbullah. And on challenge, Israel cant beat Egypt alone, without western support.
Israel is a terror camp of west in middle east, and west has fooled Jews for their use.

 

[aziqbal]

Arabs were supported more by USSR than Israel was supported by US after the French

Israel is not strong just its enemies are weaker and plain idiots

I mean who rolls tanks out in the open without air cover only for them to be smashed to pieces in the thousands?

Having said that Egyptian Anti tank crews are the only ones who stopped Israeli heavy armour in open desert in 1973

And Hezbollah did not stop Israelis rather they allowed them in and took them into the trenches for fighting in 2006

Little bit of training and decent equipment should see off the Israelis, unfortunately we don't have leaders with guts

 

[CriticalThought]

This is what the enemy would want you to do. You have set up a wall spending nearly 2 billion and now you want to go over and start taking Afghan Territory. Then you make the ordinary Afghan your enemy. To date NO ONE has won a war against them on their own territory and you think we can do it?How? Factor in the cost of:an offensive operation which is going to be for a long time and you are spending 1-2 billion a couple of days. How long do you think your offensive will last and how long will Pakistan last?
I feel that the wall will give you 2 frontiers one from where there will be limited influx but more importantly if you can stop the flow of arms and cash across all the insurgency will die down. I also think we should control the Iran border in a similar manner and reduce our expenditures and then concentrate our energies in house first before retaliating outwards. I dont think we should do anything more than morally support the Kashmiris in their right for self determination and use our press effectively. This is all that is needed. Sooner or later the IA will have to find an-alternative to this expensive insurgency in Kashmir.

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You know as well as I do that you are making up arguments for the sake of it. The answers tobeach if your concerns are self-evident. We will be fighting along with the Taliban not against them. Simply provide them overt, and systematic support to capture and hold areas and firm a truly Islamic, welfare government for the benefit if people. What's more, we will be selling all those Afghan refugees in the areas we capture. We have the moral upper ground because we have no agenda other than restoring respect and dignity for the common Afghan.

Furthermore, we are not going to invade wholesale. Rather, it will be an ultimatum. Whatever area in Afghanistan fires at us, we will capture it and set it right as discussed above. This puts to rest your concern of 'billions'. To put it more succinctly, I am merely proposing a continuation of Zarb-e-Azb into Afghanistan. The same systematic, carefully planned, expertly executed campaign we have already seen. Put in yet another way, build the wall, but keep pushing it further and further into Afghanistan.

As far as Kashmir is concerned, let me tell you point blank I smell treason from your words.

 

[KhalaiMakhlooq]

Drop the charade of 'facilitating talks' and topple the Afghan government already

Speak to your superiors. You lack ANY knowledge on this matter

We have the moral upper ground because we have no agenda other than restoring respect and dignity for the common Afghan.

What moral upper ground? the one that collapsed in on itself on 9/11?

As far as Kashmir is concerned, let me tell you point blank I smell treason from your words.

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