Frustration of Brainwashed Indian bloggers.

[Hellfire]

This Bozo doesnt even know that US had declared their PM Modi terrorist and denied him US visa for 10 years.

Please reference the highlighted portion

Thanks

 

[The Eagle]

Respect?
What world are you living in?

Have you not visited enough threads in this very forum that suggests there is not a single modicum of respect among Pak and Indian members.
Forget posters on an internet forum our politicians and leaders go out of their way to disrespect each others' countries.
You are hoping for respect now? Time is well past for such frivolities janaab.

BTW you reading into my riposte too much, I didn't intend to "disrespect" rather just burst bubbles thru strongly worded phrases,
If something is a problem here its your own premature evaluation that makes you think that I went out of my way to "disrespect".

If it is your bias and your choice to ready only those media reports which proclaim only one side of the news and judge the whole fraternity with that narrow mindedness then I can't help you.

Wrong against wrong wouldn't make it right. Report the post of such kind and move on. This is Pakistan Defence Forum and you have to follow the rules, been informed, hope you wouldn't do so again. I can see the bubble busting and what is that strongly worded but no it is not, that is offensive for a community and not to repeat again.

Why should we?

Double Standards. But you claimed to follow UN and serving greatly now you denied.

being the largest ever supporter

Why should we allow UN to curb world sentiment now

Do you believe in UN or not or you have claimed yourself as UN. World sentiment about Kashmir and they are unaware of such so-called propaganda but only India knows yet denied UN access, good.

being the largest ever supporter

we know it is in fact Pakistani propaganda which has changed situations and is responsible for this farce?

Assumptions again and too much of "know everything". Did you read and understand the Links or you are reading to reply only. Propaganda but it has been proved time to time that Indian media is the biggest propaganda hence thread title validated.... Or you are acknowledging the Pakistan's stance about bringing up the truth before the world on international forum and the world is even not aware of Pakistan so-called Propaganda yet UN asked for access in IOK.

We will call for UN arbitration when condition in our side of the valley are its best

So you accepts that condition is worst due to Indian atrocities and manipulating for own favour rather than reality and being afraid of exposure denied UN any access. Good. BTW, why would you call for UN when India denied the access in first place or is it accepting that it was wrong.... even in your own post as above.....

not when Pakistan wants UN too when Pak itself is promoting the hatred.

As you do not obey the UN if first place why such claim and UN is not Pakistan entity though IOK is under Indian occupation and how come Pakistan promoted anything like that or you would have a reference for that instead Indian Propaganda source.

I understand the need for you to make it a morality issue, but it never was or will be an issue of morality if it was Pakistan wouldn't be sending terrorists from pak into different parts of India or hosting terrorist outfits

You did not check the last confession videos of Mehsud and Kulbhashan yet, very recent are that leave the rest as the list may go long. Very easy to blame hence title thread is proven. Let me remind you again, NaMO himself accepted about Mukti Bahni and separation of Bangladesh, Many of Indian Ministers demanded for terrorism inside Pakistan, Ajit Doval pretty much defined about the use of proxies for utilization by one and even check the Pathankot enquiry findings and Uri as well that does not prove Pakistan's invovlment except claims through Media that reminds me Arnab, the journo, blamed Pakistan even op was underway in Pathankot. Except the blames and proclaims, India may share the details of any findings, the world would know about the reality as well but make sure it may not end like that NaMO claims for GB and Baluchistan that fired back.

I did already made up my mind or did you not read my first comment?
Regardless, let me narrow it down for you, even if it is true we will never know and specially Pakistanis who don't want to know.

Still unclear whether India attacked, attacking, or not attacking? Also, what did you try to tell Pakistanis that we don't want to know after all, being a Pakistani, I would like you to know that WE know that you think we don't know or is there something that you know but we don't or your media knows much than you or IA than everyone or none but speculations from side, again, makeup your mind what do you want to prove. Indian media claimed everything, forces moved to border, Indian Ministers threaten Pakistan for strikes but nothing.

doctors textbooks to deny historical facts

Why you are going there and else where rather than stick to what has been asked for against your claim. Doctors against Historical facts, aaah.... but it was for your claim that I said for proof.... Your claim as follows..

and even if they would have Pakistan wouldn't

what is this???? after all, you have pretty much acknowledged Pakistan's stance about India interfering into Pakistan and promoting unrest as well.

why is it not plausible that pakistan will deny an Indian cross border strike even if Indian Army had proclaimed it in public.

Where is the strike except as you stated above about Indian Interring into Pakistan and supporting terrorism in different means but still there is no strike despite claims as you also said in your post. Red, Bold highlighted text mean, India proclaimed even way before it happens, means like crossed the border, made strike, gone back but claimed in advance means to calm the public and world doesn't even know that.

Pakistan has been saying that India is interfering in Pakistan and supporting anti-Pakistan elements though you pretty much validate that but still the question remains as .... Where are the strikes that Pakistan denied as I quoted your previous post as above?

Ahmed Rashid former Pakistani militant and journalist in his book "Pakistan on the Brink: The Future of America, Pakistan, and Afghanistan", clearly mentions Pakistan using ISI to kidnap and kill media personnel and blackmail and threaten media houses to not play certain news articles.

Even if for the sake of arguments, for the while we assume that it has been done like what you said the question arise what about International Media that can break the news about any Indian Proclaimed Strike inside Pakistan or you are trying to say that they are also influenced of ISI? Red bold highlighted text pretty much clear about the intention of such so-called (splinter) journalist intention, hence thread title validated....

Yes and?
He is clearly alive to curb pak public sentiment and brainwash them.

However, check this out for further reading that still I believe that you may understand.

Indian leadership, media making public delusional about Pakistan: Former Indian diplomat

 

[IceCold]

Our media aside our military clearly said the reports are untrue, but even if it were our army wouldn't confirm, and even if they would have Pakistan wouldn't, much less Pakistani media which is quite literally molded by the Pak government and ISI.
So we (mostly you lot) can truly be blissful in ignorance.

And just why not? Think logically. A nation and her leaders that take so much pride in breaking East Pakistan, we should assume that a strike of such nature and your military and political leadership will stay mum about it?
They will yell from the tallest building that they could find in India that we attacked Pakistan and taken our revenge. Modi's ratings would sore past anything and next elections are a guarantee win for him. So yeah it never happened and never will which is why your military is denying it.

 

[pragmatic_dude]

And just why not? Think logically. A nation and her leaders that take so much pride in breaking East Pakistan, we should assume that a strike of such nature and your military and political leadership will stay mum about it?
They will yell from the tallest building that they could find in India that we attacked Pakistan and taken our revenge. Modi's ratings would sore past anything and next elections are a guarantee win for him. So yeah it never happened and never will which is why your military is denying it.

Modi re-election depends on a lot of of factors , rest assured his dealings and handling of pakistan issue will be a negligent if not no-existant issue come next election.

 

[IceCold]

Modi re-election depends on a lot of of factors , rest assured his dealings and handling of pakistan issue will be a negligent if not no-existant issue come next election.

Tell this to someone who does not know about the Indian political elites and the Pakistan factor that plays in every election. 56" chest

 

[pragmatic_dude]

Tell this to someone who does not know about the Indian political elites and the Pakistan factor that plays in every election. 56" chest

Tell me something , in Pakistani election is India a major issue or is poverty, education and jobs a major issue. Why do you think it would be any different for india.

 

[IceCold]

Tell me something , in Pakistani election is India a major issue or is poverty, education and jobs a major issue. Why do you think it would be any different for india.

Because unlike India Pakistan is not the one occupying foreign lands and calling it an internal matter nor does Pakistan looks to be a sheriff in the region. India on the other hand does all the above and when fails to supress uprising in Kashmir , it blames Pakistan, creates war hysteria to try to divert attention and beats war drums. In India poverty, education and jobs might also be an issue but so is topic of Pakistan. Just look at your media and the war mongers that they are and how regularly Pakistan comes into discussion.

 

[MimophantSlayer]

Wrong against wrong wouldn't make it right. Report the post of such kind and move on. This is Pakistan Defence Forum and you have to follow the rules, been informed, hope you wouldn't do so again. I can see the bubble busting and what is that strongly worded but no it is not, that is offensive for a community and not to repeat again.

Again, what was the cuss word I used and how is it derogatory or against the rules do explain.

I will take it back if you do expound on it.

Double Standards. But you claimed to follow UN and serving greatly now you denied.

Claimed to follow? No no no sirji, we claimed to have done more for the world community through the UN than pakistan which gives us more leverage than Pakistan.
Again I never claimed some moral high ground, I just proved how our word will always hold more weight than Pakistan's in the UN.

Do you believe in UN or not or you have claimed yourself as UN. World sentiment about Kashmir and they are unaware of such so-called propaganda but only India knows yet denied UN access, good.

Believe is a strong word, and again you keep claiming a moral ground to our support and acceptance of UN.
Anyone with a proper grasp of current events would know UN quite literally serves the stronger powers only, as they spew high minded rhetoric to the smaller nations.

India does know that pakistani propaganda exists and maybe we can prove it given time, but you can't show propaganda that is an intangible entity whilst idiots with stones getting tear gassed can be shown.

So why would we show this propaganda fueled state when this is is not the reality of Kashmir.

Maybe in the 90s you could have told me that India is wrong in not allowing UNHRC but now?
When events like these are happening lesser and lesser every year as compared to the 90s when there were a 100 Wanis and a 1000s dead every year.

Assumptions again and too much of "know everything". Did you read and understand the Links or you are reading to reply only. Propaganda but it has been proved time to time that Indian media is the biggest propaganda hence thread title validated.... Or you are acknowledging the Pakistan's stance about bringing up the truth before the world on international forum and the world is even not aware of Pakistan so-called Propaganda yet UN asked for access in IOK.

Uh huh. Pakistani border that is minimally fenced to allow terrorist in India and its regular support of secessionist leaders, and where do they get weapons from and the ones causing trouble are always the poor and destitute.
If you can't join the dots then in fact bias is the only reason for your riposte.

UN asked, coz the matter was being publicised because of trp hungry media all over the world including yours and ours not because the matter itself was important, they are yet to bring Kashmir in their disputed territory list, that will be important.

So you accepts that condition is worst due to Indian atrocities and manipulating for own favour rather than reality and being afraid of exposure denied UN any access. Good. BTW, why would you call for UN when India denied the access in first place or is it accepting that it was wrong.... even in your own post as above.....

I accept that the conditions are worse because Pakistan fueled the simple minded with propaganda and armed the terrorists with weapons.

Do step out of that pedestal, reality is subjective, a year from now when all this nonsense has stopped what will you say then? Will you call that reality? That Kashmir is peaceful coz it is peaceful at that particular time?

This is the actual reality.
Sporadic events like the ones we are witnessing now are happening ever so rarely, the fact being the government initiated economic drive has been successful and the time between Wanis will further lengthen as Kashmir's GDP increases alongside the whole of India which is a BRIC nation and the fastest growing nation in the world.

As you do not obey the UN if first place why such claim and UN is not Pakistan entity though IOK is under Indian occupation and how come Pakistan promoted anything like that or you would have a reference for that instead Indian Propaganda source.

We have no obligation to obey anyone.
Why didn't Pakistan "obey" UN when Ban Ki Moon wanted Pakistan to end capital punishment after the school bombing?

Lashkar-e-Taiba a terrorist outfit so designated by the UN that operates form the subcontinent and believes in spreading extremism in Kashmir and its leaders moving freely in Pakistan is not proof of propaganda enough, then I have to say you are in denial sir.

You did not check the last confession videos of Mehsud and Kulbhashan yet, very recent are that leave the rest as the list may go long. Very easy to blame hence title thread is proven. Let me remind you again, NaMO himself accepted about Mukti Bahni and separation of Bangladesh, Many of Indian Ministers demanded for terrorism inside Pakistan, Ajit Doval pretty much defined about the use of proxies for utilization by one and even check the Pathankot enquiry findings and Uri as well that does not prove Pakistan's invovlment except claims through Media that reminds me Arnab, the journo, blamed Pakistan even op was underway in Pathankot. Except the blames and proclaims, India may share the details of any findings, the world would know about the reality as well but make sure it may not end like that NaMO claims for GB and Baluchistan that fired back.

Confession from a person in an enemy state who was kidnapped from another country?
Any thing coming from him cannot be trusted coz, again, he could have easily been coerced to say anything.

The proofs do show Pakistan's involvement its just that Pakistan denied even when they were true.
If Pakistan can deny Ajmal Kasab, which both GCHQ and the US confirmed then why not Uri or Pathankot?

Fired back?
You mean like this?
http://atimes.com/2016/09/eu-hints-at-sanctions-on-pakistan-over-rights-abuses-in-baluchistan/

This goes to show what the world thinks of both Pakistan and India.

Why you are going there and else where rather than stick to what has been asked for against your claim. Doctors against Historical facts, aaah.... but it was for your claim that I said for proof.... Your claim as follows..

You asked for proof I gave it to you.

You asked to prove if pakistan hides its failures and chronological facts and I gave it to you.

If hiding a large historical facts is not a big deal for Pakistan then a small scale strike from India is but easy to deny.

Common sense sirji.

Even if for the sake of arguments, for the while we assume that it has been done like what you said the question arise what about International Media that can break the news about any Indian Proclaimed Strike inside Pakistan or you are trying to say that they are also influenced of ISI? Red bold highlighted text pretty much clear about the intention of such so-called (splinter) journalist intention, hence thread title validated....

Nonsense, how would international media know of a secret strike by special forces when it would have(if it happened at all) been denied by the ones initiating the attack to begin with?

Do try to be coherent rather than replying just for the sake of it.

And just why not? Think logically. A nation and her leaders that take so much pride in breaking East Pakistan, we should assume that a strike of such nature and your military and political leadership will stay mum about it?
They will yell from the tallest building that they could find in India that we attacked Pakistan and taken our revenge. Modi's ratings would sore past anything and next elections are a guarantee win for him. So yeah it never happened and never will which is why your military is denying it.

Why are you bringing in East Pakistan into the discussion? That was a large scale event that needed to be publicised, anything with Pakistan now however could result in a nuclear tragedy.
Please do not equate India in the same metric as Pakistan, we do maintain restraint. Hell, after being attacked relentlessly from all sides we and you should know that much.
We attack(1971) when we are absolutely prepared and not blow our wad every now and then to prove something to ourselves.

 

[IceCold]

Why are you bringing in East Pakistan into the discussion? That was a large scale event that needed to be publicised, anything with Pakistan now however could result in a nuclear tragedy.
Please do not equate India in the same metric as Pakistan, we do maintain restraint. Hell, after being attacked relentlessly from all sides we and you should know that much.
We attack(1971) when we are absolutely prepared and not blow our wad every now and then to prove something to ourselves.

To make a point. Any attack on Pakistan with impunity had gotten India next big victory over Pakistan after 71 and like we keep hearing 71 defeat of Pakistan even after 4 decades latter, rest assured any successful action by Indian forces and than gotten away with it would had been shouted by every Indian across the globe.

 

[war&peace]

@waz, Go ahead.. Do the needful.

I can see that he did the needful

 

[The Eagle]

So we (mostly you lot) can truly be blissful in ignorance.

Again, what was the cuss word I used and how is it derogatory or against the rules do explain.

I will take it back if you do expound on it.

Keep it yourself.

Claimed to follow? No no no sirji, we claimed to have done more for the world community through the UN than pakistan which gives us more leverage than Pakistan.
Again I never claimed some moral high ground, I just proved how our word will always hold more weight than Pakistan's in the UN.

But as you said in previous post as well, UN asked for access yet India denied so you rebut your this claim or the previous one that Pakistan has more influence in UN hence IoK access request. Or by your current claim, which has no substance in view of UN, UN shouldn't ask for access or India did not complied but having no weight. Any UN document in such reference....

Believe is a strong word, and again you keep claiming a moral ground to our support and acceptance of UN.
Anyone with a proper grasp of current events would know UN quite literally serves the stronger powers only, as they spew high minded rhetoric to the smaller nations.

so now you are accusing UN for being Biased and is in favour of high powers only (I bet you used high word for India indeed) but you said you are serving the UN so means India is serving the Biased Power (UN). Further more, don't you think such arbitration would be called as biased as you just accused UN. You are calling UN biased but still (in your previous post as mentioned below) you would be calling for arbitration that wouldn't be needed based upon your claims for UN or India is supporting the Biased UN. Still if UN supports High Powers then why India rejected UN access to the IoK after all as you said, UN is biased so should have influenced the UN while granting the access.

We will call for UN arbitration when condition in our side of the valley are its best

India does know that pakistani propaganda exists and maybe we can prove it given time, but you can't show propaganda that is an intangible entity whilst idiots with stones getting tear gassed can be shown.

Not proven hence baseless claim hence thread title validated.

So why would we show this propaganda fueled state when this is is not the reality of Kashmir.

Then lets UN be entered in IoK for evaluation but still denied because in your previous post, as following

We will call for UN arbitration when condition in our side of the valley are its best

Maybe in the 90s you could have told me that India is wrong in not allowing UNHRC but now?
When events like these are happening lesser and lesser every year as compared to the 90s when there were a 100 Wanis and a 1000s dead every year.

Atrocities are still happening hence UNHRC's request for access but denial of India proves it more then what you are quoting or let there be an evaluation by UNHRC's but again, UN is biased would manipulate or what. And you accept once again that even since 90's there were killings of Kashmiris and not allowing the UN pretty much validates the same that still happening or more than before, being afraid of exposure denied the UN recent request.

Uh huh. Pakistani border that is minimally fenced to allow terrorist in India and its regular support of secessionist leaders, and where do they get weapons from and the ones causing trouble are always the poor and destitute.
If you can't join the dots then in fact bias is the only reason for your riposte.

but your side pretty much guarded or you are trying to say that BSF is not much capable, lacks the quality that cannot stop such so-called favour from our side. After the Pakistani side, there is Indian side as well so what are they doing but I am sure, many seniors wouldn't agree with you in this. Weapons, recent claim of Pakistani marking is not proved neither before so that is a claim. I am bias, UN is bias and what's next?....

I accept that the conditions are worse because Pakistan fueled the simple minded with propaganda and armed the terrorists with weapons.

Do step out of that pedestal, reality is subjective, a year from now when all this nonsense has stopped what will you say then? Will you call that reality? That Kashmir is peaceful coz it is peaceful at that particular time?

This is the actual reality.
Sporadic events like the ones we are witnessing now are happening ever so rarely, the fact being the government initiated economic drive has been successful and the time between Wanis will further lengthen as Kashmir's GDP increases alongside the whole of India which is a BRIC nation and the fastest growing nation in the world.

Again a claim that Pakistan fueled this and that but that is IoK under supervision of Indian forces, heavily guarded or you are trying to say that India lost the grip or has no governance in IoK. That graph is so far till 2013 and I think you would have an Idea with number of casualties and injured in last 70 or so days alone.... crossing the 100 figure I guess for casualties though Injured are more than that....

Lashkar-e-Taiba a terrorist outfit so designated by the UN that operates form the subcontinent and believes in spreading extremism in Kashmir and its leaders moving freely in Pakistan is not proof of propaganda enough, then I have to say you are in denial sir.

Well in your same post you accused UN being biased as well as India itself did allow UNHRC access into IoK recently so I think it wouldn't matter India with respect to UN list etc. or either you have to accept UN being unbiased and impartial. In the same post you also claimed that UN is for High Powers that seems like India manipulated for such however, why India did ask UN to implement that list? but India itself is denying the UN how could ask. However, you are dragging in too much things and changing the posts rapidly.

Confession from a person in an enemy state who was kidnapped from another country?
Any thing coming from him cannot be trusted coz, again, he could have easily been coerced to say anything.

He was lastly in Iran (Chahbahar), while captured in Pakistan. Did India ask Iran for such kidnapping from Iranian soil and then prove it against Pakistan or any other source, but no hence mere claims.

The proofs do show Pakistan's involvement its just that Pakistan denied even when they were true.

We denied being baseless claims hence you have to prove.

Fired back?
You mean like this?
http://atimes.com/2016/09/eu-hints-at-sanctions-on-pakistan-over-rights-abuses-in-baluchistan/

This goes to show what the world thinks of both Pakistan and India

Link said may face but nothing yet and still not done. Again, you are dragging so much things here.

You asked for proof I gave it to you.

You asked to prove if pakistan hides its failures and chronological facts and I gave it to you.

If hiding a large historical facts is not a big deal for Pakistan then a small scale strike from India is but easy to deny.

Common sense sirji

What did you give me, nothing except so-called cold feet even before start doctrine and recent verbal surgical strike since more than 72 hours.

Nonsense, how would international media know of a secret strike by special forces when it would have(if it happened at all) been denied by the ones initiating the attack to begin with?

Do try to be coherent rather than replying just for the sake of it.

Hence no strike as replied above.... What kind of strike you are talking and when did happen?..... Did you read the link I give you in my last post.. about so-called strikes...

Why are you bringing in East Pakistan into the discussion?

You brought in everything available in favour of India from this earth yet stopping others or you are proving yourself wrong in first place.

 

[wiseone2]

★ Yes.. Of course we were involved with Mukti Bahini. You don't need Modi to confirm that.. It was already confirmed when your General Nazi submitted the Surrender document to India...and your PM Bhutto signed the Shimla accord with Indira Gandhi.. But guess what, it doesn't taint us at all.. You know why? Because Mukti Bahini has never been declared as a terrorist organization by either UN or any national govt, not even by your own Pakistan govt. Only stupid internet fanboys like you keep barking that they were terrorists.. So zip up..!!

Mukti Bahini was the military wing of the Awami League. The Awami League are legitimate rulers pf Pakistan. The entire Mukti Bahini leadership are ex-Pakistani army personnel

 

[ThaniOruvan]

Our Majority didn't selected TERRORIST as a PM... hope you get the answer of all your BS! who is fuking nut head brain washed nation

Your terrorists are not ours...Just like you say....

What you think about cross border terrorism done by india in east Pakistan?
Your terrorist pm modi admit it openly that indian army was involved with mukti bahni.
We got your spy kulbushan from Balochistan.
Bhindian hypocrites.

Oh ! All of us came to know that India was the reason for Bangladesh's creation just after PM Modi inadvertently blurted it out....Whole world knows....
No one came to your help, even your sympathy secreting Chinese friends at that time as your atrocities against civilians were sky high (300,000-3,000,000 civilians raped and murdered)....The fallouts resulted inside Indian territory so India acted (90,000 Pakistani PoWs surrendered to Indian army without any fight and shame)....In spite of this landslide victory India returned all prisoners to Pakistan trusting that Pakistan will behave in future. First learn real history......

I am asking a question. Why is Pakistan negotiating with the Talibans ? Is it not intervening in Afghanistan's internal affairs ?
Can't you let Afghanistan take care of themselves ? Put an end to this Pakocrisy.....

 

[MimophantSlayer]

Keep it yourself.

Again, I don't follow.
Where in the "rulebook" does it say that the phrase "ignorance is bliss" can't be used?

The phrase which I referred to both Indians and Pakistanis and not just Pakistanis.

People use much more derogatory terms.

But as you said in previous post as well, UN asked for access yet India denied so you rebut your this claim or the previous one that Pakistan has more influence in UN hence IoK access request. Or by your current claim, which has no substance in view of UN, UN shouldn't ask for access or India did not complied but having no weight. Any UN document in such reference....

You are misconstruing then, Pakistan does not have more hold than India.
UN never forced India to do anything and it was a closed request by UN to India and not infront of the whole UN.
You are reading too much into the UNHRC request, it was a formality at best.
The last time Ban Ki Moon said anything that related to the Kashmir issue in front of the UN was them reiterating our dialogue that Kashmir is an internal issue and should be resolved internally.

so now you are accusing UN for being Biased and is in favour of high powers only (I bet you used high word for India indeed) but you said you are serving the UN so means India is serving the Biased Power (UN). Further more, don't you think such arbitration would be called as biased as you just accused UN. You are calling UN biased but still (in your previous post as mentioned below) you would be calling for arbitration that wouldn't be needed based upon your claims for UN or India is supporting the Biased UN. Still if UN supports High Powers then why India rejected UN access to the IoK after all as you said, UN is biased so should have influenced the UN while granting the access.

Uh, yes.

And no I did not use "the high word for India", that is your own issues and what not.

Again, what world are you living in?

There is no such thing as an unbiased UN, endless invasions and vetos have already proven that.

And yes we are supporting this "unbiased UN", because in the end power and influence is all thatt matters and don't pretend to hold some moral high ground where Pakistan is doing what it is doing for the good of humanity, Pak too is vying for influence ONLY.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_United_Nations
http://www.philforhumanity.com/Why_the_United_Nations_is_a_Useless_Failure.html
http://www.heritage.org/research/le...-the-un-has-failed-and-how-it-can-be-reformed

Not proven hence baseless claim hence thread title validated.

Lashkar E Taiba.
Proved.

Then lets UN be entered in IoK for evaluation but still denied because in your previous post, as following

Sure after everything settles down.

10 years of peace and then 1 Wani dies, we won't show that.

Atrocities are still happening hence UNHRC's request for access but denial of India proves it more then what you are quoting or let there be an evaluation by UNHRC's but again, UN is biased would manipulate or what. And you accept once again that even since 90's there were killings of Kashmiris and not allowing the UN pretty much validates the same that still happening or more than before, being afraid of exposure denied the UN recent request.

I don't accept any of the sort.
90s too had Pakistani propaganda flourished which is why people died.

You can live in the past all you want but here is the truth.
ENJOY.

Conditions will stop and we will make Kashmir a bastion of Indian progress.

but your side pretty much guarded or you are trying to say that BSF is not much capable, lacks the quality that cannot stop such so-called favour from our side. After the Pakistani side, there is Indian side as well so what are they doing but I am sure, many seniors wouldn't agree with you in this. Weapons, recent claim of Pakistani marking is not proved neither before so that is a claim. I am bias, UN is bias and what's next?....

No it is not "pretty much guarded".
It is almost impossible to fence the whole length of the Indo-Pak border or monitor ever inch 24/7.
Some will get inside that is just fact, which is why pakistan shells to divert attention from the terrorists who are sneaking in either through some mountain range, underground etc.
And yes you ARE biased and so is UN.

Again a claim that Pakistan fueled this and that but that is IoK under supervision of Indian forces, heavily guarded or you are trying to say that India lost the grip or has no governance in IoK. That graph is so far till 2013 and I think you would have an Idea with number of casualties and injured in last 70 or so days alone.... crossing the 100 figure I guess for casualties though Injured are more than that....

You are talking like a child sirji.
There is no such thing as total governance, if Russia can't control Ukraine properly or Israel maintain its borders or US not be able to stop drug traffickers in the US then what is India.

Pakistan did fuel insurgencies and hate, in some threads alone some pakistani members claim that they endorse the proxy movement by Pakistan.

Here is your updated graph.

Well in your same post you accused UN being biased as well as India itself did allow UNHRC access into IoK recently so I think it wouldn't matter India with respect to UN list etc. or either you have to accept UN being unbiased and impartial. In the same post you also claimed that UN is for High Powers that seems like India manipulated for such however, why India did ask UN to implement that list? but India itself is denying the UN how could ask. However, you are dragging in too much things and changing the posts rapidly.

You are just into semantics now.
But just to bring you back to earth it was not India that asked UN to implement the list or urged them to include Lashkar E Taiba whose terrorist leader roams free in Pakistan in the TEL.

On 28 March 2001, in Statutory Instrument 2001 No. 1261, British Home Secretary Jack Straw designated the group a Proscribed Terrorist Organization under the Terrorism Act 2000.


On 5 December 2001, the group was added to the Terrorist Exclusion List. In a notification dated 26 December 2001, United States Secretary of State Colin Powell, designated Lashkar-e-Taiba a Foreign Terrorist Organisation.

On 2 May 2008 it was placed on the Consolidated List established and maintained by the Committee established by the United Nations Security Council Resolution 1267 as an entity associated with al-Qaeda. The report also proscribed Jamaat-ud-Dawa as a front group of the LeT.

Bruce Riedel, an expert on terrorism, believes that LeT with the support of its Pakistani backers is more dangerous than al-Qaeda.

He was lastly in Iran (Chahbahar), while captured in Pakistan. Did India ask Iran for such kidnapping from Iranian soil and then prove it against Pakistan or any other source, but no hence mere claims.

You are making no sense whatsoever.

He was kidnapped from Iran which itself proves that ISI had a hand in it.
And then coerced to say things from a script.

We denied being baseless claims hence you have to prove.

You denying means jack to the world.

We all know OBL was in Pakistan and that terrorist leaders and organizations are in paksitan.
Pakistan always denoies but the world knows the truth.

Link said may face but nothing yet and still not done. Again, you are dragging so much things here.

Doesn't matter if it hasn't happened .
It is only the beginning once GOI brings more info on the table sanctions will become more real.
The fact that they are even considering sanctions means exactly what I claimed.
That Pakistan's influence is nil compared to India's.

Only once did we bring up Balochistan and this happens, while Pakistanis have been trying to internationalise Kashmir for decades and nothing happens, well something did happen, UN REMOVED KASHMIR FROM ITS DISPUTED TERRITORIES LIST.


And again it was not me who brought Balochistan into the discussion, it was you yourself.

India may share the details of any findings, the world would know about the reality as well but make sure it may not end like that NaMO claims for GB and Baluchistan that fired back.

Don't deal it if you can't swallow it yourself.

What did you give me, nothing except so-called cold feet even before start doctrine and recent verbal surgical strike since more than 72 hours.

I give you facts, and you reply with rhetoric.

Why you are going there and else where rather than stick to what has been asked for against your claim. Doctors against Historical facts, aaah.... but it was for your claim that I said for proof.... Your claim as follows..

to which I replied

You asked to prove if pakistan hides its failures and chronological facts and I showed you the well documented Pakistani textbook scandal.

Hence no strike as replied above.... What kind of strike you are talking and when did happen?..... Did you read the link I give you in my last post.. about so-called strikes...

Again why do you keep ranting the same thing over and over again?
I never said the strike happened, I only implied it, it could have happened and noone would know of it, and even if they did some would deny it for security reasons and some would deny it because they would be too ashamed to admit it.

PERIOD.

You brought in everything available in favour of India from this earth yet stopping others or you are proving yourself wrong in first place.

No no janaab, I brought in everything in our discussion not his.

There's a difference.

To make a point. Any attack on Pakistan with impunity had gotten India next big victory over Pakistan after 71 and like we keep hearing 71 defeat of Pakistan even after 4 decades latter, rest assured any successful action by Indian forces and than gotten away with it would had been shouted by every Indian across the globe.

Not unless it was a clandestine attack to begin with, the nature of which is supposed to be not known by the public much less the media.

 

[darksider]

Your terrorists are not ours...Just like you say....



Oh ! All of us came to know that India was the reason for Bangladesh's creation just after PM Modi inadvertently blurted it out....Whole world knows....
No one came to your help, even your sympathy secreting Chinese friends at that time as your atrocities against civilians were sky high (300,000-3,000,000 civilians raped and murdered)....The fallouts resulted inside Indian territory so India acted (90,000 Pakistani PoWs surrendered to Indian army without any fight and shame)....In spite of this landslide victory India returned all prisoners to Pakistan trusting that Pakistan will behave in future. First learn real history......

I am asking a question. Why is Pakistan negotiating with the Talibans ? Is it not intervening in Afghanistan's internal affairs ?
Can't you let Afghanistan take care of themselves ? Put an end to this Pakocrisy.....

i dont want to know who came to help us who not.
india was and is involved in cross border terrorism in east Pakistan and now in west Pakistan.
your pm admit it openly.
now Pakistan have every right to take revenge and support any freedom movements in india .
in Kashmir indian forces raping and murdering kashmiris so Pakistan should help them like india help mukti bahni.
and what fallout you are talking about refugees?Pakistan have millions of afghan refugees from decades.
we are talking with taliban so afghans get peace and millions afghan refugees can go back. and we not sending our army with taliban to fight with afghan gov like india did in east Pakistan.

in the end i can clearly see indian hypocrisy at its best.
sharam in ku magar nahi atti