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[Raj-Hindustani]

That's 100% fact.

I specifically mentioned 4.5 gen & 5th gen fighters.

India has only 36 (4.5th & 5th gen). While China has around 600 (4.5th & 5th gen).

I did not included 4th gen fighters purposedly otherwise list would have gone too high. If you want to include all 4th gen fighters then be my guest. China has massive number of 4th gen fighters like J-10A / Bs, J-11s, Su-27s, Su-30MKKs, Su-35s, etc. The count of only 4th gen fighters will be easily above 1000.

Again india and china comparison is like comparing an ant with an elephant. Indian airforce can best be compared with Pakistan's. China is at another league.

also PLAAF AWACS are atleast 30+, other EW platforms are numerous while india is even less then Pakistan's. Real world is quite different then indian YT channels.


As far as another fella's concern about J-20. Well, the reputed western experts and even ones from US military regards J-20 as very high. They consider it as a threat. Whole world recognize it as a 5th gen fighter.

based on your maths only, India and Pakistan are not right because India is having 36 planes and Pakistan in only 12... India comes in another league.

BHai -I am in the mood for a useless discussion. Just adding - today is not as in 1945 when Air to Air war was dependent on Aircraft capabilities only.

Today mostly depends on support from various resources from ground to Air and many..

Does China has such support systems when comes to the Indian Ocean and nearby Indian borders? Mostly, NO..... presently, they do not have such support infrastructure.

4th Gen fighters are not a joke at all. Take the example of Ukraine, Ukraine has nothing compared to India but still, Russia is losing.

And you are talking about India Here...

 

[walterbibikow]

I did not included 4th gen fighters purposedly otherwise list would have gone too high.

Again india and china comparison is like comparing an ant with an elephant. Indian airforce can best be compared with Pakistan's. China is at another league

Total 4th generation fighters in:
PLAAF: 900+ (Majority of them are deployed against US, NATO, Japan, South Korea and Australia)
IAF: 450+ (Positioned against & )
J10C and j11 new versions are hopefully good...but less in numbers

 

[walterbibikow]

PLAAF AWACS are atleast 30+, other EW platforms are numerous while india is even less then Pakistan's

AWACS in inventory:

KJ-200​

PLAAF: 5 KJ-200
PLAN: 6 KJ-200H

KJ-500
PLAAF: 8 KJ-500
PLAN: 8 KJ-500H

KJ-2000
PLAAF: 4

AWACS in inventory:

PHALCON
IAF: 3

NETRA:
IAF: 3

Kamon Ka-31
IN: 14

Indian Army utilising naval assets from Indian Navy to monitor China's PLA at LAC

Due to increased tensions along the Line of Actual Control (LAC), India is now regularly utilising naval reconnaissance capabilities to improve its surveillance of of land borders along China, both to track troop and for infrastructural developments. "The Navy is deploying P-8i long-range...

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[walterbibikow]

That's 100% fact.

I specifically mentioned 4.5 gen & 5th gen fighters.

India has only 36 (4.5th & 5th gen). While China has around 600 (4.5th & 5th gen).

I did not included 4th gen fighters purposedly otherwise list would have gone too high. If you want to include all 4th gen fighters then be my guest. China has massive number of 4th gen fighters like J-10A / Bs, J-11s, Su-27s, Su-30MKKs, Su-35s, etc. The count of only 4th gen fighters will be easily above 1000.

Again india and china comparison is like comparing an ant with an elephant. Indian airforce can best be compared with Pakistan's. China is at another league.

also PLAAF AWACS are atleast 30+, other EW platforms are numerous while india is even less then Pakistan's. Real world is quite different then indian YT channels.


As far as another fella's concern about J-20. Well, the reputed western experts and even ones from US military regards J-20 as very high. They consider it as a threat. Whole world recognize it as a 5th gen fighter.

Better than PLAAF vintage JH-7, J-7 and J-8 fighters (625 in nos)

https://twitter.com/x/status/895659174947942400

https://twitter.com/x/status/1582964466731593729

 

[CivilianSupremacy]

Total 4th generation fighters in:
PLAAF: 900+ (Majority of them are deployed against US, NATO, Japan, South Korea and Australia)
IAF: 450+ (Positioned against economically bankrupt & CoVID prone )
J10C and j11 new versions are hopefully good...but less in numbers

You are doing pick & choose and trying to somehow show india still relevant against PLAAF. So let's end this debate and put the entire inventory.

PLAAF inventory:

Old fighters ( JH-7s, J-7s / J-8s) - 600+
4th Gen Fighters ( J-10 A/B, J-11s, Su-27,Su-30MKK, Su-35s): ~1000
4.5th & 5th Gen (J-10Cs, J-16s, J-20) - 600+

Total : 2200+

What india got in its entirety (all generations) - ~550 ? (That's even less than chinese 4.5th / 5th gen fighters alone) .

India has only 36 - 4.5th or above gen fighters whereas China has 600 in that category. Still indians got audacity to compare with China. Most hilarious thing is indians even go a step ahead and talk about two front war lol.

Even Pakistan has 350-400 fighter jets. Therefore, It makes perfect sense to compare IAF with PAF where its a match in numbers & technology. You must be living on another universe when you compare yourself with china alone.

 

[SIPRA]

How did I miss this comic thread?

 

[walterbibikow]

Even Pakistan has 350-400 fighter jets. Therefore, It makes perfect sense to compare IAF with PAF where its a match in numbers & technology

And majority of them are 60s planes like Mirage III, Mirage 5 and F7PG(Mig 21 clones). Only 18 F16 block 52 are decent ones
Our transport and helicopter fleet is 10 times and 16 times bigger than yours

 

[walterbibikow]

What india got in its entirety (all generations) - ~550?

262 Su30MKI (twin engine) + 67 MIG 29 UPG(twin engine) +47 Mirage 2000-5 + 40 Tejas MK1 + 36 Rafale F3R(twin engine) + 116 Jaguars(60 of them are equipped with superior AESA radar and avionics) + 54 Mig 21 Bison : 622 fighters

IAF to increase Sukhois armed with BrahMos supersonic cruise missile with over 500km-range

The IAF currently has 40 SU-30 MKI with BrahMos, the only supersonic cruise missile in the world.

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Boosting Power Of Su-30 MKI Fighters, India's Russian-Origin Sukhoi Jets To Get Indigenous Search & Track System

Su-30 MKI fighter jets are in news after HAL & BEL inked pact to to co-develop Infrared Search & Track System (IRST) for Sukhoi jets.

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1588799169309061120

Still indians got audacity to compare with China. Most hilarious thing is indians even go a step ahead and talk about two front war lol

WDMMA

Chinese trolls in overdrive as Indian Air Force beats PLA Air Force in aerial power rankings

Chinese trolls in overdrive as Indian Air Force beats PLA Air Force in aerial power rankings

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[CivilianSupremacy]

And majority of them are 60s planes like Mirage III, Mirage 5 and F7PG(Mig 21 clones). Other than these fighters only 18 F16 block 52 are comparable with the IAF 4th generation fighters
Our transport and helicopter fleet is 10 times and 16 times bigger than yours

hahahaha.... So now its clear you are not using your mind. Against every fact your response is hilarious. I told you original statements of indian air cheif & vice admiral themselves that does not change your mind. Maybe you know more then the people in charge.

I send you numbers and you replied such a non-sense.

PAF has 75 F-16s each can carry AMRAAMs and none of your SU-30MKI's can even think to dare and come challenge it. They all were scared away after they saw one of them going down in 27th feb. That's the sole reason SU-30s never challenged PAF F-16s. The ones who shot down 2 indian jets were older F-16s not the Block-52 ones. Block 52s are comparable with Rafales & J-10Cs.

Other than that ~150 JF-17s (block IIs) each can carry BVR missiles. Also, J-10Cs (36 initial order) and 14 JF-17 Block IIIs (50 on order) are all capable to hold long range AAMs PL-15s. IAF cannot challenge PAF. Not in their right mind. That's why IAF chief is yelling & crying that they need more aircrafts to retain edge over Pakistan. Only 36 Rafales in IAF inventory are modern aircrafts rest is just crap.

 

[walterbibikow]

PAF has 75 F-16s each can carry AMRAAMs and none of your SU-30MKI's can even think to dare and come challenge it

Let me clarify - The BDL has an established facility to produce 100 Mk1's (And BDL has been doing it)

 

[K_Bin_W]

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News agency ANI and other media houses recently flaunted videos of the Indian Army’s drone hunting capability near the Line of Actual Control (LAC). While the Army exhibited its ‘technology’ against China, Beijing could be laughing in disbelief. ‘Arjun,’ the black Kite, hit the headlines when...

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Looks like an ISI wala...

 

[walterbibikow]

Other than that ~150 JF-17s (block IIs) each can carry BVR missiles.

JF-17 lacks what it takes to win the fight. Its spine, & wings bearing resemblance(in wing twist & wing area) to a fighter which china knows inside out, the J-7, doesn’t have wing twist nor does it have enough area to provide a low wing loading

HAL Successfully Integrates & Tests AASM Hammer From Tejas

HAL's test of AASM Hammer is soon to be followed by those of JDAM, SAAW and other PGMs. The Astra air-to-air missile is also set to be tested soon.

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Its performance during low speeds and high alphas would be very dangerous for the pilot indeed. It has a Maximum G loading of only 8 as claimed by PAC. Along with their dubious weapons, any chance of JF-17 maintaining BVR edge over its adversary’s frontline combatants for the most part is unlikely.

 

[K_Bin_W]

How did I miss this comic thread?

You not alone...

 

[CivilianSupremacy]

JF-17 lacks what it takes to win the fight. Its spine, & wings bearing resemblance(in wing twist & wing area) to a fighter which china knows inside out, the J-7, doesn’t have wing twist nor does it have enough area to provide a low wing loading

HAL Successfully Integrates & Tests AASM Hammer From Tejas

HAL's test of AASM Hammer is soon to be followed by those of JDAM, SAAW and other PGMs. The Astra air-to-air missile is also set to be tested soon.

www.overtdefense.com

Its performance during low speeds and high alphas would be very dangerous for the pilot indeed. It has a Maximum G loading of only 8 as claimed by PAC. Along with their dubious weapons, any chance of JF-17 maintaining BVR edge over its adversary’s frontline combatants for the most part is unlikely.

LMAO!.. only totally bais indians would say it. The world is preferring JF-17s over the Tejas every time and will continue to do so. PAF has extreme high confidence on JF-17s thats why it took those against india on last event. All international commentators praise JF-17s maneuvering on international air shows. It offers a variety of lethal weaponary. SU-30MKI an 20 year old avionics and such a huge RCS is easy target for JF-17s.

The above paragraph is about JF-17 block 2s. I am not even talking about 4.5 gen JF-17 block III which with AESA and LRAAMs, HOBS missiles is totally different beast.

 

[walterbibikow]

SU-30MKI an 20 year old avionics and such a huge RCS is easy target for JF-17s

SU-30MKI has been integrated with DR-118 RWR(6th generation) , BNET SFDR , LITENING targeting G4

https://www.facebook.com/IAFSu30/photos/a.120819164637278/1267791276606722

HAL had inked a contract with BEL for the co-development and co-production of a long-range dual-band IRST for the Sukhoi warplanes. And by 2026, it'll start getting upscaled version of Uttam AESA radar

Russia lags behind, India makes AESA radar for Sukhoi Su-30s

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