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French Muslim woman barred from pool for donning head-to-toe 'burquini' swim suit - Yahoo! Canada News

French Muslim woman barred from pool for donning head-to-toe 'burquini' swim suit

Aug 12, 4:47 PM

By Maria Danilova, The Associated Press

PARIS - A Muslim woman garbed in a head-to-toe swimsuit - dubbed a "burquini" - may have opened a new chapter in France's tussle between religious practices and its stern secular code.

Officials insisted Wednesday they banned the woman's use of the Islam-friendly suit at a local pool because of France's pool hygiene standards - not out of hostility to overtly Muslim garb.

Under the policy, swimmers are not allowed in pools with baggy clothing, including surfer-style shorts. Only figure-hugging suits are permitted.

Nonetheless the woman, a 35-year-old convert to Islam identified only as Carole, complained of religious discrimination after trying to go swimming in a "burquini," a full-body swimsuit, in the town of Emerainville, southeast of Paris.

She was quoted as telling the daily Le Parisien newspaper that she had bought the burquini after deciding "it would allow me the pleasure of bathing without showing too much of myself, as Islam recommends."

"For me this is nothing but segregation," she said.

The issue of religious attire is a hot topic in France, where head-to-toe burqas or other full-body coverings worn by some Muslim fundamentalists are in official disfavour.

France is home to western Europe's largest Muslim population, estimated at 5 million, and Islam is the nation's second religion after Roman Catholicism.

A 2004 law banning the wearing of Muslim head scarves at public schools sparked fierce debate. That legislation also banned Jewish skullcaps and large Christian crosses in public classrooms.

French lawmakers recently revived the issue of Muslim dress with a proposal that the burqa and other voluminous Muslim attire be banned.

President Nicolas Sarkozy, a conservative, backs the move, saying such garb makes women prisoners.

The "burquini" covers the arms to the wrists and the legs to the ankle and has a hood to cover neck and hair.

An official in charge of swimming pools for the Emerainville region, Daniel Guillaume, said the refusal to allow the local woman to swim in her "burquini" had nothing to do with religion and everything to do with public health standards.

"These clothes are used in public, so they can contain molecules, viruses, et cetera, which will go in the water and could be transmitted to other bathers," Guillaume said in a telephone interview.

"We reminded this woman that one should not bathe all dressed, just as we would tell someone who is a nudist not to bathe all naked," he said.

Guillaume said France's public health standards require all pool-goers to don swimsuits for women and tight, swimming briefs for men - and caps to cover their hair. Bathers also must shower before entering the water.

Guillaume said Carole had tried to file a complaint at a local police station, but her request was turned down as groundless.

Carole told the daily Le Parisien she would protest with the help of anti-discrimination groups.

Emerainville Mayor Alan Kelyor said he could not understand why the woman would want to swim in head-to-toe clothes.

"We are going back in civilization," he said by telephone. Women have fought for decades for equal rights with men, he said. "Now we are putting them back in burqas and veils."

The suits have a clear market.

Women "jump on the occasion so they can swim with their families. Otherwise, they end up staying on the beach and watching," said Leila Mouhoubia, who runs an online site from France that specializes in the sale of Islamic swimsuits. Sales, she said, are strong.

"I think it's forbidden (in France) because it presents an image of the Muslim woman (and) they have prejudices against Muslims," she said by telephone. "They want women to be undressed."

Mouloud Aounit, head of the anti-racism group known as MRAP, said the decision to ban Carole from the pool appeared fair, since pool authorities were observing regulations. But Aounit lamented that the incident was likely to fuel religious tensions.

"The rules must be the same for everybody, regardless of the colour of their skin or their religion," Aounit said. "The concern I have is that this case will again lead to stigmatization of the Muslim population in France."

The all-body suits, worn regularly by some women in Muslim countries, are growing popular in the West. They can be seen on female Muslim lifeguards on Australian beaches, in the United States and various European countries, from the Netherlands to Sweden - which OKed them after two women won discrimination cases last year.
 
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Under the policy, swimmers are not allowed in pools with baggy clothing, including surfer-style shorts. Only figure-hugging suits are permitted.

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:undecided: why only figure hugging suits??? what kind of policy is this ?
 
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I am not very sure of the french idea of libralism. Being libral is not about banning stuff rather its about accepting people as they are. Initially, There was no logical reason for banning burkha - I am not a fan of burkha but if someone want to wear it then let them do it.

If we want to be libral in true sense then the ban itself should be restricted only to criminal activities, and I dont see how someone's wearing of either a burkha or bikini or Burkini for that matter can cause harm to anyone.

This approach seems to be that of a libral-fascist which incidentally is an oxymoron. A society can not be truely libral till people are given a freedom to choose what they wear.

If they have an issue with the material of dress, its understandable, but banning a particular attire is plain stupid.
 
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They always talk about freedom and liberlism, i have just one question:

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE "FREEDOM OF CHOICE"!?
 
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The French believe deeply in their own cultural superiority, even to a stronger degree than do Americans. To the French "liberal" means the same thing as "French". You can't blame them for being proud of their nation, but it can be very difficult for anyone in the French village who does something in a "non-French" way. For example, by eating in the American fashion of using your fork in your right hand. Mon Dieu!!!
 
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The French believe deeply in their own cultural superiority, even to a stronger degree than do Americans. To the French "liberal" means the same thing as "French". You can't blame them for being proud of their nation, but it can be very difficult for anyone in the French village who does something in a "non-French" way. For example, by eating in the American fashion of using your fork in your right hand. Mon Dieu!!!

Really?

The remaining Europe isn't that stringent as i know of.

Why would they do it, while having every other thing in common?
 
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Really?

The remaining Europe isn't that stringent as i know of.

Why would they do it, while having every other thing in common?

Xeric, I am saying that it is enough for the French to ban something because it offends "French cultural norms." The Germans can ban it also, or not, for all the French care. The French don't need "affirmation" from other nations to try to protect French cultural purity. In the French mind, French culture is the highest HUMAN culture, plain and simple. Defense of French culture is the defense of the very best culture that has been achieved on the planet. A "true" Frenchman believes this.
 
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Hypersensitive as the French are, I think this is more than just defense of French culture.

For hundreds of years, the French had no problems with schoolkids wearing church crosses or yarmulkas. But as soon as Muslim schoolgirls started wearing the headscarf, the French media and politicians turned it into a major issue and banned religious symbols from schools. Note that, even after the law, "discreet signs," such as a small cross or star of David, will be allowed. But the Muslim headscarf is banned.

The Western media has legitimized the new "White man's burden" where self-proclaimed champions of (Muslim) women's rights have taken it upon themselves to "liberate" Muslim women from their "brainwashing" (as they call it). They are the ones who decided that the hijab (not just the veil, but even the modest hijab or even headscarf) are symbols of oppression. The Muslim women, helpless mindless creatures that they are, have been brainwashed and don't know that they are being oppressed. Muslim women are incapable of independent thought or action, and it is up to these Western champions of women's rights to liberate them.
 
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Hypersensitive as the French are, I think this is more than just defense of French culture.

For hundreds of years, the French had no problems with schoolkids wearing church crosses or yarmulkas. But as soon as Muslim schoolgirls started wearing the headscarf, the French media and politicians turned it into a major issue and banned religious symbols from schools. Note that, even after the law, "discreet signs," such as a small cross or star of David, will be allowed. But the Muslim headscarf is banned.

The Western media has legitimized the new "White man's burden" where self-proclaimed champions of (Muslim) women's rights have taken it upon themselves to "liberate" Muslim women from their "brainwashing" (as they call it). They are the ones who decided that the hijab (not just the veil, but even the modest hijab or even headscarf) are symbols of oppression. The Muslim women, helpless mindless creatures that they are, have been brainwashed and don't know that they are being oppressed. Muslim women are incapable of independent thought or action, and it is up to these Western champions of women's rights to liberate them.


Brilliant post, I suppose you have read the poem by Rudyard Kipling an official freemason, "White Man's burden", a very fascinating poem to say the least, your inclusion of this poem into the storyline of this development in France was very intriguing and much appreciated by me. Thanks a lot.
 
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Women "jump on the occasion so they can swim with their families. Otherwise, they end up staying on the beach and watching,"

Sacrébleu! what have the French gone and done now?:disagree:
Don't they see how they are enabling the very repression they claim to be against? Banning head scarves in schools will likely keep girls from getting an education, banning the burqini will keep women from the pleasure of swimming.
On a side note, burqini is great for protecting your hair and skin from chlorinated swimming pool water but it can get very hot inside a burqini – if you ladies* :lol: plan on spending the whole day at the beach or pool in hot weather - drink plenty of liquids.

For a defense forum this place seems to have a lot of threads on women’s clothing
 
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