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France does not want to finance a populist Europe, the country’s foreign minister Jean-Yves Le Drian has indicated, just as the fight over the EU’s new long-term budget begins in earnest. EURACTIV Poland’s media partner Gazeta Wyborcza reports.

These strong words were said in Paris on Wednesday (29 August) during the annual conference of French ambassadors, a meeting at which the French head of diplomacy officially indicates the most important directions of the country’s foreign policy.

71-year-old Le Drian, who after the victory of French President Emmanuel Macron took the helm of French diplomacy, said that France and Germany intend to work out a common position on migration before the EU summit in Salzburg planned for 20 September.

“We cannot leave this topic to populists, delusion traders,” he said, referring to the situation in Italy, where the government of the populist Five Star Movement and the fascist League gave the EU countries time by the end of next week to reach agreement on accepting refugees arriving in Italy.

Le Drian hits hard

But the most important words have been addressed to countries that use EU funds profusely but do not comply with EU rules.

“Each member state has the right to choose such leaders as they wish. But our vision of the Union as a basic circle of alliances and values does not fit with governments that do not respect fundamental principles and do not feel bound in any way by community solidarity,” the French minister said.

He added that these countries basically have “a utilitarian approach to the Union and choose only what is in their interest, and above all, when it comes to transfers of money.”

“We are not ready to continue paying for this Europe, this must be said clearly,” he emphasised.

This is a clear signal about the French line in the negotiations on the EU budget for 2020-27. The Commission, presenting its proposals for the division of money at the end of May, cut the amount Poland would receive from the cohesion funds by 23%. The cuts would also concern funds for subsidies for farmers and rural development.

The Commission’s proposals, however, are a starting point for further negotiations, and the cuts in funds for Poland will probably be even bigger. Especially now, when Paris announces that it wants to turn off the money tap for “countries that do not respect the fundamental principles”.

And the badly perceived Polish reputation means a weak negotiating position.

EU budget payments depend on the state of the rule of law?

Le Drian also referred to a lack of solidarity, namely the dispute over the admission of refugees from the EU distribution board in mind.

In September 2015, the government of Ewa Kopacz committed to taking in 7,000 Syrians who fled to Europe before the civil war. The successor government of Beata Szydło declared that it would not respect this agreement and, like Hungary, would not accept any refugees. Opposition to the reception of refugees has become one of the main slogans of the current PiS government. The case is currently with the EU’s top court ECJ.

Already in May, under pressure from Paris, the Commission proposed a regulation that will allow from 2020 a suspension or even reduction of EU funds for a serious violation of the rule of law.

It includes threats to the independence of the judiciary or non-enforcement of court decisions. The decision of the Commission regarding the suspension of funds, for example for Poland, could be blocked only by a qualified majority.

The EU Council briefly discussed the project before the holidays. The Polish government had hoped for considerable resistance from EU countries to such great strengthening of the Commission’s position on the rule of law (“seizing of power” – as minister of European Affairs, Konrad Szymański, put it back then), but in reality, it was opposed only by Poland and Hungary.

And the regulation – according to unofficial estimates – would have the majority support.

Theoretically, Poland could defend itself against such solutions by simply vetoing the new budget, whose adoption requires unanimity.

“We now have many warnings that “we will not agree on the budget because …”, but I am relaxed,” budget Commissioner Günther Oettinger commented on this scenario this week. He pointed out that blocking the budget would mean a lack of stability regarding future infrastructure investments in countries heavily using the EU budget themselves.

For a possible budget veto, for example from the Polish side and in the absence of a multi-annual budget, the Union would use budgetary provisos, which require the majority and not unanimous consent of EU countries. In such a scenario, Poland would not have much to say.

France offended

Member state politicians usually do not comment on the situation in Poland or Hungary in such a severe way. However, this does not apply to French politicians.

A month later, Poland was criticised by Emmanuel Macron, who was fighting for the presidency at that time, not only for violating the rule of law but also for sending cheap labour to France. After his election victory, he said that Europe is not a supermarket and that Poland and Hungary “have committed a double betrayal on Europe”.

At the beginning of this year, when it seemed that the government of Mateusz Morawiecki would seek a compromise with the EU, it was said that the new French president would visit Warsaw – but talks on this matter have stalled.

A decision of the PiS government to break off talks about a sealed €3 billion contract by the previous PO government for buying Caracals, helicopters produced by the French company Airbus Helicopters, is also weighing heavily on the relations between Paris and Warsaw.

President Hollande then cancelled the Polish-French intergovernmental consultations in Warsaw, recognizing the decision as a slap in the face. The French minister of defence was Jean-Ives Le Drian at the time.

Minister Szymański: They will always find a pretext

“Such declarations make this agreement more difficult, which is not in the interest of the EU,” Szymański commented on the words of the head of the French diplomacy. “Every EU country fights for its interests. The uniqueness of France lies in the fact that it often pretends to do otherwise,” the Polish minister for European Affairs added.

According to Szymański, Warsaw has been working on “potential scenarios of budget negotiations” for two years: “I am afraid that the room for manoeuvre in many member states is narrower today than before. This makes these negotiations the most difficult in EU history. Here is the real problem.”

https://www.euractiv.com/section/fu...no-longer-want-to-pay-for-poland-and-hungary/
 
Poland, Hungary and Italy should leave the EU tbh. Czechs can follow after.

It was always a bad idea to make EU something more than a pure economic customs union....with all this tower of babel bureaucracy (extra-sovereign courts, ever increasing levels of govt under no real check or balance, massive regulation book with little dynamism).......interfering in sovereign state rights to dictate their migration needs and wants (esp concerning countries outside of EU) etc etc.....which physically and directly takes away what their own citizenry can actually even have on the plate when elections happen.

Holes need to be poked so the whole thing collapses and an actual minimalist, purely economic organisation can take its place after.

How many European ppl actually voted or in favour for this level of frankenstein govt to take shape? Not very many. Benefits the politicians, a few gated elites and large part of the media....but not the actual citizenry. What a terrible destructive scam.

@Desert Fox @waz
 
Poland, Hungary and Italy should leave the EU tbh. Czechs can follow after.

It was always a bad idea to make EU something more than a pure economic customs union....with all this tower of babel bureaucracy (extra-sovereign courts, ever increasing levels of govt under no real check or balance, massive regulation book with little dynamism).......interfering in sovereign state rights to dictate their migration needs and wants (esp concerning countries outside of EU) etc etc.....which physically and directly takes away what their own citizenry can actually even have on the plate when elections happen.

Holes need to be poked so the whole thing collapses and an actual minimalist, purely economic organisation can take its place after.

How many European ppl actually voted or in favour for this level of frankenstein govt to take shape? Not very many. Benefits the politicians, a few gated elites and large part of the media....but not the actual citizenry. What a terrible destructive scam.

@Desert Fox @waz
Well said bro.

The Italian politician Salvini gave a good reply to the French government that they should stop preaching and start following their own advice by abolishing their own borders and immigration laws and allow unrestricted third world migration into France.

EU is useless. If Germany doesn't get it's shit together soon I hope Russia takes over Europe and saves them for themselves before they destroy thwmselves.
 
The cultural difference in Europe is getting more obvious every day. Western Europe and Eastern Europe have a different world perspective. The current EU model can only work with civilised participants, not neanderthals like Britain's current government.
 
we do not need a destruction of the EU....
What the EU should do is a EU wide referendum of the EU citizen with voteing right what they want as a EU future, close the boarders or open for migration... simple what is choosen more is the way to go... thats democratic and easy... and the looser has to respect the choose ...
If a nation do not want this ...leave the EU befor...leaving the EU will hit harder than any migration "invasion"

The EU is a great invention and has given freedom of movement, peace, free speach and wealth and so much more... sure the EU does many mistakes but the benfits totaly outweight the fails..
 
we do not need a destruction of the EU....
What the EU should do is a EU wide referendum of the EU citizen with voteing right what they want as a EU future, close the boarders or open for migration... simple what is choosen more is the way to go... thats democratic and easy... and the looser has to respect the choose ...
If a nation do not want this ...leave the EU befor...leaving the EU will hit harder than any migration "invasion"

The EU is a great invention and has given freedom of movement, peace, free speach and wealth and so much more... sure the EU does many mistakes but the benfits totaly outweight the fails..

The problem is not Migration... It isn't because of a Million refugee that EU is in this state...otherwise what a sh*tty UE we've got then... Therefore better to end it now before ending it in the Humiliation lvl of History...

The Problem is that a minority of people, can't accept that their failure is because of their inability to adapt... Societies Change and evolve... And at every stage of our Humanity...You've always got a minority who couldn't do it..;So the best way they have in hands is to preach the Golden Age...

Giving the right to vote or not would not change things, since UE isn't meant to answer ppl wishes...But it's meant to make sure that our "Community" can have/work together...
If you want UE citizen to vote, then Let's make us a Federal gov...Otherwise you will get the same result as today...Some will cry that they are not heard because they are "allegedly" not French or German...

Therefore I'm ok for countries to leave the UE, if after a referendum in their own country. But I also believe that a mechanism to come back should also exist... Newer generation have to feel what their elders enjoyed... And if they don't feel it themselves, then it will be this perpetual wish to attain it at all cost, even though it could endanger their neighbors...

So, give them the opportunity to feel it for themselves and then when they see that their decision suck, it will be printed in their brain for at least 2 Generations...Till then, neither of me or you, will be around...

And a bit of History for them will be good to... It's nice to tell them what sh*thole they were and what they become today thx to Europe...
 
The problem is not Migration... It isn't because of a Million refugee that EU is in this state...otherwise what a sh*tty UE we've got then... Therefore better to end it now before ending it in the Humiliation lvl of History...

The Problem is that a minority of people, can't accept that their failure is because of their inability to adapt... Societies Change and evolve... And at every stage of our Humanity...You've always got a minority who couldn't do it..;So the best way they have in hands is to preach the Golden Age...

Giving the right to vote or not would not change things, since UE isn't meant to answer ppl wishes...But it's meant to make sure that our "Community" can have/work together...
If you want UE citizen to vote, then Let's make us a Federal gov...Otherwise you will get the same result as today...Some will cry that they are not heard because they are "allegedly" not French or German...

Therefore I'm ok for countries to leave the UE, if after a referendum in their own country. But I also believe that a mechanism to come back should also exist... Newer generation have to feel what their elders enjoyed... And if they don't feel it themselves, then it will be this perpetual wish to attain it at all cost, even though it could endanger their neighbors...

So, give them the opportunity to feel it for themselves and then when they see that their decision suck, it will be printed in their brain for at least 2 Generations...Till then, neither of me or you, will be around...

And a bit of History for them will be good to... It's nice to tell them what sh*thole they were and what they become today thx to Europe...

Sure the problem is migration...

Thats the main reason of the BREXIT... and they dont even have problems with refugees from all over the world.. UK has problems with a willing to work hard workforce comeing from other EU nations like Poland...

Todays main problem in the EU are REFUGEES and the way the EU has to handle them as a UNIT...
Because at them moment are to many national interests the EU cant act and looks helpless... and that ONLY BECAUSE of the refugee crisis...
 
Sure the problem is migration...

Thats the main reason of the BREXIT... and they dont even have problems with refugees from all over the world.. UK has problems with a willing to work hard workforce comeing from other EU nations like Poland...

Todays main problem in the EU are REFUGEES and the way the EU has to handle them as a UNIT...
Because at them moment are to many national interests the EU cant act and looks helpless... and that ONLY BECAUSE of the refugee crisis...

No it isn't... That only the variable that appeal to the brain dead minority of Europe... It's just the Carrot while their ambition is the stick... Nothing more Nothing else... Throughout Empires it was the Same... In Rome it was the Germanic ppl... In Greece the Slaves and so on... and The same thing happen to their End...They all "Feared" the Migrant... Till they died little by little in their own psychosis...

Yesterday, Southern & Eastern European migration was being welcomed the same way... Polish were treated like garbage...Then Roms, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese etc... and yet no one died, neither the country fall in oblivion or civil war... quite the opposite...They did jobs that locals didn't want... Till themselves and their sons/daughters climbed the social ladder and in return didn't want to do those unworthy jobs... and Circle continue...

The problem of Europe...is a minority who can't adapt to the New World..;Thinking that keeping a job that give nothing to the nation "anymore" or believe that Ppl will still buy their product, even though the guy at the other part of the world do it better and cheaper and so on...

The EU is lacking money to maintain what she build upon her Golden Age... Simple as that... Now it's time for sacrifice...Otherwise, it will be the End...

Per exemple Many Europeans are not willing to do some specific job because it's whatever not to their "Lvl of dignity" even though they are "Low skilled Qualified" and paid like any other job... So for Years they didn't want that job..;But the moment an outsider take it... That's when the party begin...

And the Ultimate BS... is "Migrant bring trouble"... As if Europeans waited "outsiders" to excel in "darkness"...
As the Rapist card...In my entire years of work till today...I encountered 60-65 rapist... 90% were White men, Others either from Arab/African or Asian descent... and out of Pedophiles in the group all were White men...
 
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Brexit looks like a good idea given what's been said here. Who would want to be in a straitjacket like EU, which is dominated by France and Germany? You only need to see what happened to Greece to have second-thoughts. That country had no control of its currency -- the Euro -- nor could it raise or cut interest rates -- controlled by ECB. It was at the mercy of more powerful countries.
 
Brexit looks like a good idea given what's been said here. Who would want to be in a straitjacket like EU, which is dominated by France and Germany? You only need to see what happened to Greece to have second-thoughts. That country had no control of its currency -- the Euro -- nor could it raise or cut interest rates -- controlled by ECB. It was at the mercy of more powerful countries.
It was a falling country because of an Archaic Sys... and yet They've got showered by "EU tax money"... and Today Greece is out...and building her feet back...

Same goes for Portugal or Spain and Italy... Those countries "were" a liability in the first place and yet... "France and Germany + few others" did their job by taking out our money for them...

I don't call it a "straitjacket" but a Goddamn bargain...
Not even speaking about Eastern EU countries... Where they got out of the Stone Age thanks to EU...

The Problem in the EU right now is the lack of "Evolution/Adaptation" among Europeans... in their respective societies... A phase in the process is coming to an End... Now you gonna need to re-build a new generation that will Adapt and perpetuate this legacy in the next phase... and that take time... Sometimes to much time and could end up putting EU in jeopardy...
 
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