France,Palestine and Hebdo

[Slav Defence]

Gentlemen and Ladies,
1)I want you to read this news before representing your analysis:

French MPs recognise Palestine as state - Europe - Al Jazeera English

2)The above news discussed that France has accepted Palestine.


3)Now I request you to take an overview at Charlie Hebdo's reputation:

History of Charlie Hebdo:
Charlie Hebdo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

....and this one:
In 2000, journalist Mona Chollet was sacked after she had protested against a Philippe Val article which called Palestinians "non-civilized".[14] In 2004, following the death of Gébé, Val succeeded him as director of the publication, while still holding his position as editor.


WARNING:
You must read what I am requesting you,so that you will get my point!

After going through all this I realized:
1)France has pro-palestine policy
2) Charlie Hebdo is independent satirical newspaper of very dirty reputation...and they have published anti-palestine cartoons too!

Got it!?

No?

Okay,I have figured out that what if these cartoons are published to change over all policy of France against Palestine.
Got it?
They knew that that they will publish these cartoons which may cause outrage and aggression which will effect Palestinian policy of France.
Regards

 

[Slav Defence]

WARNING:
Trolls are not allowed.We look for sensible people around.
@WebMaster @Horus @Jungibaaz @Jango @Secur @niaz @RescueRanger @asad71 and others..
P.S I would have written an article-but instead of reading your agreement or disagreement-I want to read your logical thinking and reasoning.

 

[TankMan]

If the Charlie Hebdo cartoons were published to alter public opinion on the Palestine issue, that would mean that the shootings, too, had similar motives. Because if it wasn't for the shootings, Charlie Hebdo didn't have that much of a following. People may argue that Hebdo also made anti-Israel cartoons, but the reality is that Israel wouldn't be affected by them as much as Palestine would, and because Israelis aren't as impulsive and emotional as Muslims (they just lobby, sue and get people fired instead), the violent protests factor is there too.

The theory is plausible, I found it highly suspect that people who already were on a terrorism watchlist could manage to procure weapons the way they did. And the media coverage, the drama, the tone in general showed that they used the story properly and to its full potential. Not to mention the rally, Netanyahu's statements within and before it. The whole 'Israel is your home' invitation to French Jews, especially.

It is quite possible that the perpetrators were purposely ignored by someone in the authorities. I wouldn't go so far as to say they did it themselves and directly helped the terrorists, but some people have been saying stuff like that (with regards to a video on france24 allegedly showing a guy with body armor on a roof when the attack happened)

There are pretty many angles to this, I wouldn't jump to conclusions.

 

[Gabriel92]

(with regards to a video on france24 allegedly showing a guy with body armor on a roof when the attack happened)

Many medias here have body armors in their offices,that's not a strange thing.
Just for exemple,here's a body armor of 20minutes.fr in their office.

 

[TankMan]

Many medias here have body armors in their offices,that's not a strange thing.
Just for exemple,here's a body armor of 20minutes.fr in their office.

The strange thing is that the video was shot by a bystander while the attack was taking place, it captured the two shooters clearly. Apparently, there was no media there at that time, and if it was, how did it get there considering that even the police hadn't managed to converge on the area properly?
But yes, there are many possibilities, which is why I said I wouldn't go so far as to blame anyone based on that alone.

A question; do normal, private security guards wear armor in France? I mean mall cops and the like.

 

[DrawingDead]

I think you're over-analyzing this. Charlie Hebdo published something that they believed would appeal to their audience. There was a massive over-reaction (no other way to describe it) and now their circulation is up 10,000% percent. Its that simple. If you're really going to spin it, why not just go with "they hired these guys to shoot them to increase circulation"? Sometimes in life things are just as they seem. There's no convoluted explanations.

 

[Luffy 500]

Also it may have to do with galvanizing the masses in supporting draconian laws targeting muslims. This is happening in UK as we speak and bigots in germany are milking the incident pretty well.

 

[VCheng]

After going through all this I realized:
1)France has pro-palestine policy
2) Charlie Hebdo is independent satirical newspaper of very dirty reputation...and they have published anti-palestine cartoons too!

Got it!?

No?

Okay,I have figured out that what if these cartoons are published to change over all policy of France against Palestine.
Got it?
They knew that that they will publish these cartoons which may cause outrage and aggression which will effect Palestinian policy of France.

A few quick observations, Sir, if I may:

On what basis have you concluded that France has a pro-Palestinian policy? It will take much more support than mere recognition for it to be called that.

Also, it will take a lot more than just a few cartoons to change policies of the French government with regards to the Middle East.

Your overall hypothesis is more conspiracy theory and less reality.

 

[niaz]

Charlie Hebdot and French recognition of Palestine are two altogether different things. Show of solidarity was not so much to say that Charlie Hebdot were right, but more to send a message that France won’t be dictated by the terrorists.

Besides, French intellectuals have little regard for the religion. If you don’t believe me, just look at the cartoon titled “Father, Daughter & the spirit” a caricature of Father, Son & the Holy Ghost. Hence making fun of our holy Prophet (PBUH) hardly matters to them. Let us not confuse the issue by bringing the two totally unrelated things together.

In direct response to the question, does France have a pro-Palestinian policy?

In my honest opinion; ‘NO’. Israel, France & UK were allies in the 1956 Suez War. France would never support any move to destroy Israel. However, you would not meet many Frenchmen who would approve forcible occupation policy of Israel adopted ever since 1967 war.

Additionally, all men with integrity and there are quite a few in France, realize that Sykes- Picot agreement of 1916 perpetrated an act of great wrong to the Arabs. Thru this deal, the two colonial powers, Britain & France divided Ottoman provinces consisting of Arabic speaking people among themselves and with a little territory reserved for the Zionists; without consultation or taking into consideration promises made by Col Lawrence to the Arabs.

Recognizing Palestine could be considered an attempt to right the wrong perpetrated in 1916.

 

[500]

2) Charlie Hebdo is independent satirical newspaper of very dirty reputation...and they have published anti-palestine cartoons too!

They published nasty anti Israeli cartoons:

There are more but dont know if i can post them here because they are kinda graphic.

 

[Slav Defence]

A few quick observations, Sir, if I may:

On what basis have you concluded that France has a pro-Palestinian policy? It will take much more support than mere recognition for it to be called that.

Also, it will take a lot more than just a few cartoons to change policies of the French government with regards to the Middle East.

Your overall hypothesis is more conspiracy theory and less reality.

Sir,
That was my question-that is why I requested you all to represent your analysis.
Sir @niaz and Sir @500 what do think after analyzing Charlie habdo"s history?
I have learned that this magazine is not banned for once but multiple times.I do not understand that why these people are not charged for once and for all-most prominently-how do they get so much investment that every time they end up opening up new offices?
I hope that you all will help me to draw a better conclusion.

What policy must be adopted by Pakistani foreign office? Any idea?
Regards

I think you're over-analyzing this. Charlie Hebdo published something that they believed would appeal to their audience. There was a massive over-reaction (no other way to describe it) and now their circulation is up 10,000% percent. Its that simple. If you're really going to spin it, why not just go with "they hired these guys to shoot them to increase circulation"? Sometimes in life things are just as they seem. There's no convoluted explanations.

Sir,
But the French government knew of consequences. They have seen that how much million dollar loss did Denmark experienced.
A terrorist attack+economical damage-we are missing something.
Regards

If the Charlie Hebdo cartoons were published to alter public opinion on the Palestine issue, that would mean that the shootings, too, had similar motives. Because if it wasn't for the shootings, Charlie Hebdo didn't have that much of a following. People may argue that Hebdo also made anti-Israel cartoons, but the reality is that Israel wouldn't be affected by them as much as Palestine would, and because Israelis aren't as impulsive and emotional as Muslims (they just lobby, sue and get people fired instead), the violent protests factor is there too.

The theory is plausible, I found it highly suspect that people who already were on a terrorism watchlist could manage to procure weapons the way they did. And the media coverage, the drama, the tone in general showed that they used the story properly and to its full potential. Not to mention the rally, Netanyahu's statements within and before it. The whole 'Israel is your home' invitation to French Jews, especially.

It is quite possible that the perpetrators were purposely ignored by someone in the authorities. I wouldn't go so far as to say they did it themselves and directly helped the terrorists, but some people have been saying stuff like that (with regards to a video on france24 allegedly showing a guy with body armor on a roof when the attack happened)

There are pretty many angles to this, I wouldn't jump to conclusions.

French government knew the outrage-they have seen Denmark's huge loss.There seems a lobby within their own regime which might be supporting this to change over all French policy towards Palestine-this incident has not affect upon French regime alone,but other EU countries as well-
That is why I was stunned. Something is missing-something is fishy.

 

[Pakistani shaheens]

The most important thing was that the benjamin nethanyahu went there in the protest inspite the fact that he wasnt invited.

 

[livingdead]

french want to prove the world that they got independent policy.. and they dont follow others. Recognition to palestine is an expression of such attempt. (there is a funny scene in 'mars attack' pointing to this french tendency)

French secularism is antagonistic towards all religions more or less equally, expecting them to respect 'your' religion is stupid.

So please dont conflate these two issues.

 

[500]

The most important thing was that the benjamin nethanyahu went there in the protest inspite the fact that he wasnt invited.

Thats only a rumor.

Sir,
That was my question-that is why I requested you all to represent your analysis.
Sir @niaz and Sir @500 what do think after analyzing Charlie habdo"s history?
I have learned that this magazine is not banned for once but multiple times.I do not understand that why these people are not charged for once and for all-most prominently-how do they get so much investment that every time they end up opening up new offices?
I hope that you all will help me to draw a better conclusion.

What policy must be adopted by Pakistani foreign office? Any idea?
Regards


Sir,
But the French government knew of consequences. They have seen that how much million dollar loss did Denmark experienced.
A terrorist attack+economical damage-we are missing something.
Regards


That is why I was stunned. Something is missing-something us fishy.

Every country has its rules. France traditionally is very secular they always drew insulting cartoons on religion and dont want to make exception for Islam. Other countries have different traditions. In Israel for example one girl (Tatiana Soskind) was jailed for 3 years for drawing insulting cartoon on Muhammad.

 

[Slav Defence]

The most important thing was that the benjamin nethanyahu went there in the protest inspite the fact that he wasnt invited.

Imagine-just recently what he did to Sweden:

Sweden officially recognizes Palestinian state, Israel recalls ambassador — RT News

....while on the other hand,he visits paris,france which has accepted Palestine?plus remember,hamas was released from EU court as well.

Every country has its rules. France traditionally is very secular they always drew insulting cartoons on religion and dont want to make exception for Islam. Other countries have different traditions. In Israel for example one girl (Tatiana Soskind) was jailed for 3 years for drawing insulting cartoon on Muhammad.

That is wonderful to hear. I appreciate this sensible stance from Israel.