Four Countries Are Massing Ships And Troops To Practice Retaking An Island From The Chinese

[Reashot Xigwin]

That was in 1949 while Taiwanese forces outnumbered China 2:1, yet still inflicted 1k KIA casualties.

Today there won't be any need for amphibious landings, just precision airstrikes turning their infrastructure to rubble.

Just like any foreign forces that stupidly try to land on an uninhabited island will just find themselves being bombed by precision munitions.

Failure is failure.

LOL Naval landing is still necessary hence why the need for training between the 4 countries to do just that. Also guess which side have the more advanced precision munition?

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[FairAndUnbiased]

Failure is failure.

LOL Naval landing is still necessary hence why the need for training between the 4 countries to do just that. Also guess which side have the more advanced precision munition?

Seems like you lied about Hainan. There was no plan to fall back and retreat. Taiwan lost essentially everything with a 1:9 kill ratio.

Here's 1988 naval battle seizing the entire Paracels. A bit more relevant than 1949 or some ancient history like that, before Indonesia even existed as a country.

Anyhow I've never heard of Indonesian 'amphibious landings', because a few guys in a wooden raft sailing up to an island and shooting some birds isn't what most countries consider 'amphibious landing'.

SM-6 is inferior to HHQ-9. Shorter range (240 km vs. 250-300 km), lower max speed (Mach 3.5 vs. Mach 4.2). It also doesn't have the range to stop any aircraft with a long range munition like the YJ-18 which launches from 500+ km out, outranging the SM-6 by 2x.

At max range, SM-6 has essentially no energy so it is powerless against maneuvering jets while the YJ-18 has a terminal phase booster and reaches highest velocity at its maximum range.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Seems like you lied about Hainan. There was no plan to fall back and retreat. Taiwan lost essentially everything with a 1:9 kill ratio.

Here's 1988 naval battle seizing the entire Paracels. A bit more relevant than 1949 or some ancient history like that, before Indonesia even existed as a country.

Anyhow I've never heard of Indonesian 'amphibious landings', because a few guys in a wooden raft sailing up to an island and shooting some birds isn't what most countries consider 'amphibious landing'.

SM-6 is inferior to HHQ-9. Shorter range (240 km vs. 250-300 km), lower max speed (Mach 3.5 vs. Mach 4.2). It also doesn't have the range to stop any aircraft with a long range munition like the YJ-18 which launches from 500+ km out, outranging the SM-6 by 2x.

At max range, SM-6 has essentially no energy so it is powerless against maneuvering jets while the YJ-18 has a terminal phase booster and reaches highest velocity at its maximum range.

Well let's just say the last time we did a naval invasion our paratroopers took an Entire city alone.

I've read a reports of Paracel it's not a real naval invasian. It's just you guys beating the vietnamese navy & then took over a bunch of islands afterward.

You are comparing 2 different missile system. Also the point is that SM-6 is more advanced than what china have & seeing you don't mention a ground pounder missile you aalready know the reason why. Also the SM-6 is specs is classified you can pull any number on your *** that still doesn't make it true.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Well let's just say the last time we did a naval invasion our paratroopers took an Entire city alone.

I've read a reports of Paracel it's not a real naval invasian. It's just you guys beating the vietnamese navy & then took over a bunch of islands afterward.

You are comparing 2 different missile system. Also the point is that SM-6 is more advanced than what china have & seeing you don't mention a ground pounder missile you aalready know the reason why. Also the SM-6 is specs is classified you can pull any number on your *** that still doesn't make it true.

hey it appeared in a Youtube video thus it must be true LMAO. and I provided sourced quotes for every single one of my assertions.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

hey it appeared in a Youtube video thus it must be true LMAO. and I provided sourced quotes for every single one of my assertions.

U put a wiki link.

The video actually goes to much further detail about the whole situations in the island.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

U put a wiki link.

The video actually goes to much further detail about the whole situations in the island.

the wiki link has multiple citations with academic sources. A youtube video is just some guy talking.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

the wiki link has multiple citations with academic sources. A youtube video is just some guy talking.

The youtube guy also have citations. The guy is an academic specializing in asian history.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

The youtube guy also have citations. The guy is an academic specializing in asian history.

sure he does. where are they? I don't see them. that is why videos are never used as citable sources in academic literature and even in court cases video can only be used as circumstantial evidence unless they directly catch someone in the act.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

sure he does. where are they? I don't see them. that is why videos are never used as citable sources in academic literature and even in court cases video can only be used as circumstantial evidence unless they directly catch someone in the act.

Why are you even questioning where informations came from? If the video used sources then yes it's admissible.

The whole garrisons being evacuated to Taiwan is pretty much a open source at this point.

Retreat of the government of Republic of China to Taiwan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Also Hainan isn't the issues the point is you guys failed at taking Kinmen & Taiwan as whole was lost.

Amphibious Operations: Lessons of Past Campaigns for Today’s PLA

Amphibious operations are important components of current PLA doctrinal writings and exercises. With no recent experience in amphibious warfare, PLA military science examines foreign and historical operations for guiding principles. PLA histories highlight amphibious operations against Xiamen...

jamestown.org

In contrast, the Kinmen operation appeared to be haphazardly planned. Sailors were not familiar with the area, training was inadequate, and information on the tides and weather conditions at the landing beaches not known. PLA analysis identified another problem with the operation: in clearing the coast and seizing Zhangzhou and Xiamen, the PLA had the dual missions of combat as well as support in establishing control in the newly captured areas. The PLA had difficulty balancing the complex requirements of the two missions. The implication was that the military’s role in establishing political control negatively impacted attention to the details of the amphibious operation against Kinmen. The conclusion appeared to be that completion of combat missions took priority over establishment of local control by the military. This has important implications for a Taiwan invasion scenario, where exerting control over captured territory, maintaining public order, and restoring and repairing needed infrastructure would be important requirements that could impact combat operations. Provisions for civilian control and reconstruction, supported by the employment of People’s Armed Police national-level units, would need careful advanced planning.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Why are you even questioning where informations came from? If the video used sources then yes it's admissible.

The whole garrisons being evacuated to Taiwan is pretty much a open source at this point.

Retreat of the government of Republic of China to Taiwan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Also Hainan isn't the issues the point is you guys failed at taking Kinmen & Taiwan as whole was lost.

how could that be when Kinmen was before Hainan?

secondly, Hainan occurred in 1950 after the general ROC evacuation to Taiwan. They did not want to give it up; in fact, the KMT ordered a counterattack to try to reseize the island and failed miserably, losing in a 1:9 kill ratio and the entire island as a whole.

"On 20 April 1950, Xue Yue ordered the nationalist 32nd and 62nd Army to attack the PLA beachhead at Meiting (美亭) with six divisions. This counterattack left other areas weakly defended, which were promptly attacked by the second wave of the PLA's landing forces."

"Realizing the situation was hopeless, Xue Yue withdrew his remaining troops southward and retreated to Taiwan. The commander-in-chief and his staff were airlifted to Taiwan in a cargo airplane escorted by two fighters."

 

[crankthatskunk]

All democracy lovers around the globe must take up arms to fight for Taiwan.

their bloods will make the victory so mush sweeter once they get slaughtered by PLA

Look man, I know you may be doing a service to your country.
But this look bad in neutrals eyes.
You will do a better service to your country by showing restrain and respect.

Things would be , what they would be. We all know that.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Look man, I know you may be doing a service to your country.
But this look bad in neutrals eyes.
You will do a better service to your country by showing restrain and respect.

Things would be , what they would be. We all know that.

restraint is often mistaken for weakness and respect is often mistaken for deference.

 

[crankthatskunk]

restraint is often mistaken for weakness and respect is often mistaken for deference.

Well, brazen stupid comments also taken , wait for it, as "brazen stupid comments".

 

[Suika]