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A Swedish company, Saab noticed India's growing interest and offered JAS 39 Gripen E light fighter in response to the tender won by Dassault's Rafale

Prime Minister Narendra Modi had requested France for 36 Rafale fighters, built by Dassault Aviation, to meet the needs of Indian Air Force (IAF) for 126 fighters. Since then speculation is rising about a second global vendor that might fill the gap, building light fighters in India, alongside an Indian partner.

In interviews with state-run broadcaster Doordarshan and Hindustan Times, defence minister Manohar Parrikar had also explicitly stated the IAF urgently needs light fighters, a requirement the Rafale does not meet.

Likening light, medium and heavy fighters to a scooter, car and bus respectively, Parrikar told Hindustan Times it would be wasteful to deploy a big, heavy Rafale where a smaller fighter would do.

For short-range, short-duration missions that are currently performed by the single-engine MiG-21, Parrikar told Doordarshan the IAF needs a light fighter, not the Rafale.

"Rafale is not a replacement for MiG-21. Tejas (Light Combat Aircraft) is a replacement for MiG-21. Or, if we build some other fighter under 'Make in India', that is also possible", said Parrikar.

New Delhi's growing and explicitly expressed interest in light fighters has been noted by Swedish company, Saab, which had offered its highly regarded JAS 39 Gripen E light fighter in response to the tender eventually won by Dassault's Rafale.

Even as Parrikar stressed on the need for a light fighter, Maharashtra's chief minister Devendra Fadnavis on Wednesday visited Saab's facility in Sweden, where the Gripen NG fighter is built. From there he tweeted a photo of himself in the cockpit of a Gripen and a message saying: "It was great to be at the aerospace and defence company SAAB at Linkoping, Sweden. Promised a defence manufacturing policy in Maharashtra soon."

Top Saab officials said Business Standard, even before Fadnavis, the chief ministers of UP and Gujarat-then Narendra Modi -had held discussions with Saab.

A top Saab official told Business Standard on the condition of anonymity: "If we are approached by the government of India, Saab would be happy to partner the Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO), Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) or an Indian private company in not just manufacturing fighters in India, but in developing real capabilities for building a single-engine fighter for the IAF."

The National Democratic Alliance (NDA) government has not yet approached Saab directly, speaking only through the media.

However, in 2012-13, the DRDO had solicited Saab's help in co-developing and manufacturing the Tejas Mark II in India. Besides the similarities between the Tejas and the Gripen -both single-engine, light fighters - Saab had upgraded the Gripen D to the Gripen NG by replacing the General Electric F-404 engine with the more powerful GE F-414.

That is exactly what the DRDO plans to do for upgrading Tejas Mark I to Mark II specifications.

In 2012, DRDO chief VK Saraswat had sent Saab a "Request for Information", followed in January 2013 with a "Request for Proposal" inviting Saab to jointly audit the Tejas design with DRDO.

As Business Standard reported last year (June 17, 2014, " Rafale contract elusive, Eurofighter and Saab remain hopeful") Saab proposed an 8-10 month long audit of the Tejas design, after which a fresh design would be jointly finalised and a manufacturing line established with Saab's expertise.

Saab had proposed as far back in 2011 to co-develop Tejas Mark II and roll it out from a new manufacturing line within five years. Saab had then demanded 51 per cent ownership of the joint venture company that built the new Tejas.

Saab in June 2013 said, when a joint design contract seemed imminent, a new DRDO chief, Avinash Chander, took charge. He told Saab a foreign partner for co-developing the Tejas Mark II could be selected only through an international tender.

Now, Saab officials say they will insist on a government-to-government (G2G) arrangement, if they are to assist India in developing and manufacturing a light fighter in India. Under the UPA government, this would have been a deal breaker. Parrikar, however, stated on Monday: "These important decisions need to be taken at government-to-government levels."

The Saab Gripen has so far proved more popular in the international market than the Rafale. While Rafale has not yet found a single overseas buyer (Egypt and India have expressed interest), the South African, Czech, Hungarian, Thailand and British Royal Air Force have acquired the Gripen. In addition, the Brazilian, Polish and Slovakian air forces have expressed interest.

For building light fighters in India, Saab officials want government-to-government deal | Business Standard News
 
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India surely can make these European fighter plane manufacturers dance to their tune for a measly contract. The 144 fighters came down to 36 and now the second round of dancing has started. Indian should also require them to know Kathak dance !
 
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Brazil brought 36 Grippen for 5.4 Billion $.

Let us see how much the French govt. is offering 36 Rafales for. :D ....... price seems to range from 4 billion $ to 7.2 Billion $.
 
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India surely can make these European fighter plane manufacturers dance to their tune for a measly contract. The 144 fighters came down to 36 and now the second round of dancing has started. Indian should also require them to know Kathak dance !

The show must go on..Its good entertainment !!
 
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Oh so plan is slowly and steadily been established to counter their one and only competition Tejas MK1 . It's the price we are paying for the blunder in all stages . Tejas team will be very upset if it's true . But Best option will be to for 100 MK1 and focus on MK2 . Since we needed to replace Mig 21 fleet go for 100 Gripin or 50/60 just for ToT and insight into their way of carrying out production line . Which we lack with Tejas . And accept this offer . Only if they commit to transfer their entire supply line here and Make in India for their future orders .

As things panning out . Swedeners may be playing a trick here . By showing willingness to shift their supply line to Maharastra they are hoping India will place some squadrons as we need to upgrade and replace large part of Migs.

But who knows We are playing trick with both Sweden and France . 1) Sweden in hope of orders might shift it's production line to India . But ending up with None (Which I like it ;) )

2) Now this deal is sounds sweet for India and very much affordable for India so it might put lots of Pressure on French who are pressing hard bargain for additional squadrons of Rafale .

Again don't predict on what you see ! THIS government is very clear . Can surprise every one with new deals . Which comes out of no where .

Wtf !!!:partay:

We don't like Gripin to jump in . But sadly Gripin NG will be a better option in long run . Less man power needed . Can add any weapon system NATO has . But I wonder cost would be less than 70-75 mil per pop . 69 mil usd for NG as for as I know .

@PARIKRAMA @Abindongboy @The_Sidewinder !!!!!!

Brazil brought 36 Grippen for 5.4 Billion $.

Let us see how much the French govt. is offering 36 Rafales for. :D ....... price seems to range from 4 billion $ to 7.2 Billion $.
36 Rafale 6.2 billion ?
36 NG 5.4 ?
 
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At last .... gaye thay Mercedes kay showroom par wapise pe Suzuki letay howay ayee :enjoy:
 
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36 Rafale 6.2 billion ?
36 NG 5.4 ?

We are all guessing here. My personal estimate is that Rafale should cost around 120 million $ per aircraft. You add 30 % offset cost to it then the price goes up to 150-156 million $ per aircraft.

That should be from 4.3 billion $ to 5.6 billion $ for 36 Rafale. With training, weapons, spares etc. add a 1-1.5 billion $ more.
 
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Grab it with both hands. Make a brahmos kinda company. 50:50.

Perfect for us. Obviously the rider being a reasonable deal.

Time to turn out the make 2 also is equally important.

:cheers: make some Swedish imports free along with it as a goodwill gesture. India needs Ikea as well. :enjoy:

At last .... gaye thay Mercedes kay showroom par wapise pe Suzuki letay howay ayee :enjoy:



Bhai, aap to Sunday morning second hand market mein ghoomtey firtey miltey ho. :enjoy:
 
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A Swedish company, Saab noticed India's growing interest and offered JAS 39 Gripen E light fighter in response to the tender won by Dassault's Rafale

Prime Minister Narendra Modi had requested France for 36 Rafale fighters, built by Dassault Aviation, to meet the needs of Indian Air Force (IAF) for 126 fighters. Since then speculation is rising about a second global vendor that might fill the gap, building light fighters in India, alongside an Indian partner.

In interviews with state-run broadcaster Doordarshan and Hindustan Times, defence minister Manohar Parrikar had also explicitly stated the IAF urgently needs light fighters, a requirement the Rafale does not meet.

Likening light, medium and heavy fighters to a scooter, car and bus respectively, Parrikar told Hindustan Times it would be wasteful to deploy a big, heavy Rafale where a smaller fighter would do.

For short-range, short-duration missions that are currently performed by the single-engine MiG-21, Parrikar told Doordarshan the IAF needs a light fighter, not the Rafale.

"Rafale is not a replacement for MiG-21. Tejas (Light Combat Aircraft) is a replacement for MiG-21. Or, if we build some other fighter under 'Make in India', that is also possible", said Parrikar.

New Delhi's growing and explicitly expressed interest in light fighters has been noted by Swedish company, Saab, which had offered its highly regarded JAS 39 Gripen E light fighter in response to the tender eventually won by Dassault's Rafale.

Even as Parrikar stressed on the need for a light fighter, Maharashtra's chief minister Devendra Fadnavis on Wednesday visited Saab's facility in Sweden, where the Gripen NG fighter is built. From there he tweeted a photo of himself in the cockpit of a Gripen and a message saying: "It was great to be at the aerospace and defence company SAAB at Linkoping, Sweden. Promised a defence manufacturing policy in Maharashtra soon."

Top Saab officials said Business Standard, even before Fadnavis, the chief ministers of UP and Gujarat-then Narendra Modi -had held discussions with Saab.

A top Saab official told Business Standard on the condition of anonymity: "If we are approached by the government of India, Saab would be happy to partner the Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO), Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) or an Indian private company in not just manufacturing fighters in India, but in developing real capabilities for building a single-engine fighter for the IAF."

The National Democratic Alliance (NDA) government has not yet approached Saab directly, speaking only through the media.

However, in 2012-13, the DRDO had solicited Saab's help in co-developing and manufacturing the Tejas Mark II in India. Besides the similarities between the Tejas and the Gripen -both single-engine, light fighters - Saab had upgraded the Gripen D to the Gripen NG by replacing the General Electric F-404 engine with the more powerful GE F-414.

That is exactly what the DRDO plans to do for upgrading Tejas Mark I to Mark II specifications.

In 2012, DRDO chief VK Saraswat had sent Saab a "Request for Information", followed in January 2013 with a "Request for Proposal" inviting Saab to jointly audit the Tejas design with DRDO.

As Business Standard reported last year (June 17, 2014, " Rafale contract elusive, Eurofighter and Saab remain hopeful") Saab proposed an 8-10 month long audit of the Tejas design, after which a fresh design would be jointly finalised and a manufacturing line established with Saab's expertise.

Saab had proposed as far back in 2011 to co-develop Tejas Mark II and roll it out from a new manufacturing line within five years. Saab had then demanded 51 per cent ownership of the joint venture company that built the new Tejas.

Saab in June 2013 said, when a joint design contract seemed imminent, a new DRDO chief, Avinash Chander, took charge. He told Saab a foreign partner for co-developing the Tejas Mark II could be selected only through an international tender.

Now, Saab officials say they will insist on a government-to-government (G2G) arrangement, if they are to assist India in developing and manufacturing a light fighter in India. Under the UPA government, this would have been a deal breaker. Parrikar, however, stated on Monday: "These important decisions need to be taken at government-to-government levels."

The Saab Gripen has so far proved more popular in the international market than the Rafale. While Rafale has not yet found a single overseas buyer (Egypt and India have expressed interest), the South African, Czech, Hungarian, Thailand and British Royal Air Force have acquired the Gripen. In addition, the Brazilian, Polish and Slovakian air forces have expressed interest.

For building light fighters in India, Saab officials want government-to-government deal | Business Standard News

i think india should order
36 saab for light catergery
36 f-16 for light medium
36 eurofighter for medium category
and 36 mig 35 so Russian wont be angry
 
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We are all guessing here. My personal estimate is that Rafale should cost around 120 million $ per aircraft. You add 30 % offset cost to it then the price goes up to 150-156 million $ per aircraft.

That should be from 4.3 billion $ to 5.6 billion $ for 36 Rafale. With training, weapons, spares etc. add a 1-1.5 billion $ more.
But 30% offset clause won't increase the price . 30% french will have to invest in India . Tats 2 billion for the raffle deal . What ever they want to make its up to them . So deal is around 6.2 billion USD ...
 
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India surely can make these European fighter plane manufacturers dance to their tune for a measly contract. The 144 fighters came down to 36 and now the second round of dancing has started. Indian should also require them to know Kathak dance !
If you have hard cash ...anybody can dance for you:D
 
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i think india should order
36 saab for light catergery
36 f-16 for light medium
36 eurofighter for medium category
and 36 mig 35 so Russian wont be angry
No need we will but 127 FGFA , Sukois Mig29 so they are already happy .
 
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i think india should order
36 saab for light catergery
36 f-16 for light medium
36 eurofighter for medium category
and 36 mig 35 so Russian wont be angry

We are not planning a Zoo, are we??
 
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just kidding..but you might end up with zoo!, the way things are going

Never, India understands its limitations. You cannot go out of the boundary to equip your forces. SAAB is a new platform for IAF and we would never risk buying it especially when a home grown fighter can fix into the slot quite economically. Rafale deal was obvious because of the dozens of Mirage's we are flying. Even the American Fighter jets are not being preferred and it would take us time to set up the supply chain and In house technical support.
 
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