FMs of Iran, North Korea meet in Tehran, discuss issues of common interest

[Hack-Hook]

The sinpo concept,ie a diesel/electric missile sub,is based on the golf concept but there are some very critical differences with the main one being that the golfs were first designed as regular d/e attack subs that were then extensively modified to carry ssms,the sinpo/gorae class boat however was designed from the outset as a missile boat,tho likely this was to some degree intended just as a prototype/test boat both for the actual boat design and the missile and its systems integration.
The probable production version would pack more than just one tube probably between 3-6 tubes in fact,now altho that number isnt huge by international standards its still nothing to be sneered at and in addition if you change the loadout from ssm to cruise missiles then you can at least triple the weapons load,which would give you between 9-18 cm which could certainly do some damage.This loadout would give iran the capability to credibly threaten diego garcia and if fired from within the red sea targets in central and western europe as well.
The big advantage with the sinpo/gorae over the gulf is that this was designed from the outset as a missile boat whereas the golf was not and was in fact just a quick and dirty ie cheap modification,with all of the problems that usually go along with this sort of approach,so that the soviets could quickly get more missiles at sea despite its obvious disadvantages.
The sinpo/gorae class would certainly provide iran with a very good starting point for a dual use sub design in the 1500+ ton range that I`m sure iran could improve upon.In addition when one considers the likely huge problems encountered with the indigenous 400-500 ton fateh class sub that despite being put in the water several years ago has still not be commissioned into navy service and the fact that the construction of the 1000+ ton besal is likely years away,then the sinpo/gorae boat starts to look quite promising.

It still won't change the fact that for cruise missile we don't need vertical launch and kilo is far superior to Sinpo .
Also even north Korea have problem with Sinpo. If memory serves me right the last time they wanted to fire a missile from it the missile get stuck inside the launch tube and seriously damaged the submarine.

 

[SubWater]

we don't need the blueprint for that as we already dismantled and then put together Yunes .
by the way Kilo Submarine is capable of missile launch ,the model we get (Type 877) don't get the upgrade but it can be upgraded for that . and the final result would be a lot better than Sinpo.
just be aware you are going after noisy Sinpo ,instead of investing in one of the Quietest submarine that was built . also don't forget the range of Kilo is 3 time of the range of Sinpo (a Project 877 kilo Submarine can move 6000 miles snorkeling or 400miles submerged a project 636 Kilo Submarine can move 7500miles wile snorkeling)
also a kilo submarine can reload torpedoes a lot faster than Sinpo Submarine and not to say a lot quieter ,and why launch ballistic missile from submarines ? we don't have nukes ?
the ability to launch cruise missiles is a lot more useful for us and for that we don't even need vertical launch tube .

heavy overhauling vs building new submarine in same size are different.
we are young country in usage of submarines(Unlike North Korea) and clearly need some guidance. I do not saying about exact copy of Sinpo but we can use NK experiences to reduce time and save dollars. we got big help from NK in the qadir class submarines as well as our ballistic missiles at first and that does not mean we are copying NK missiles or submarines. Clearly, We are not enough mature in submarines like what we are in missiles and we need time and help to increase our speed.

 

[Hack-Hook]

heavy overhauling vs building new submarine in same size are different.
we are young country in usage of submarines(Unlike North Korea) and clearly need some guidance. I do not saying about exact copy of Sinpo but we can use NK experiences to reduce time and save dollars. we got big help from NK in the qadir class submarines as well as our ballistic missiles at first and that does not mean we are copying NK missiles or submarines. Clearly, We are not enough mature in submarines like what we are in missiles and we need time and help to increase our speed.

We don't copy north Korea missile but why deny it the difference between Qadir and Yono is just in the paint. Qadir is just locally built Yono.

 

[Śakra]

Birds of a feather flock together

 

[Hack-Hook]

Birds of a feather flock together

Birds of a feather flock together

 

[sahureka2]

[QUOTE = "Hack-Hook, post: 10699279, membro: 136435"] non abbiamo bisogno del progetto per quello che abbiamo già smantellato e poi abbiamo messo insieme Yunes.
dal modo in cui Kilo Submarine è in grado di lanciare missili, il modello che otteniamo (Tipo 877) non ottiene l'aggiornamento, ma può essere aggiornato per quello. e il risultato finale sarebbe molto meglio di Sinpo.
sii consapevole del fatto che stai cercando il rumoroso Sinpo, invece di investire in uno dei sottomarini più silenziosi che sia stato costruito. Inoltre, non dimenticare la gamma di Kilo è 3 volte la gamma di Sinpo (un progetto 877 chilo sottomarino può muoversi 6000 miglia snorkeling o 400 miglia sommerso un progetto 636 Kilo sottomarino può spostare 7500 migliaio snorkeling)
anche un sottomarino chilo può ricaricare i siluri molto più velocemente del sottomarino Sinpo e non dire molto più silenzioso, e perché lanciare il missile balistico dai sottomarini? non abbiamo armi nucleari?
la possibilità di lanciare missili cruise è molto più utile per noi e per questo non abbiamo nemmeno bisogno del tubo di lancio verticale. [/ QUOTE]

can you explain to me how to make Kilo-Sinpo comparisons, when nobody knows the true technical characteristics of the North Korean submarine "Sinpo"?
From the Golf class, at most, the North Koreans may have copied the ballistic missile launch system, otherwise the hull of the Sinpo (from the photos disclosed) has characteristics that differ greatly from the Golf class, starting from the architecture of the propulsion system

 

[Blue In Green]

Birds of a feather flock together

I hate you, You have literally nothing constructive to say in most of your idiotic posts on the Iranian section.

Also you're quite ugly. Go poop in a river or something lmao.

 

[Hack-Hook]

[QUOTE = "Hack-Hook, post: 10699279, membro: 136435"] non abbiamo bisogno del progetto per quello che abbiamo già smantellato e poi abbiamo messo insieme Yunes.
dal modo in cui Kilo Submarine è in grado di lanciare missili, il modello che otteniamo (Tipo 877) non ottiene l'aggiornamento, ma può essere aggiornato per quello. e il risultato finale sarebbe molto meglio di Sinpo.
sii consapevole del fatto che stai cercando il rumoroso Sinpo, invece di investire in uno dei sottomarini più silenziosi che sia stato costruito. Inoltre, non dimenticare la gamma di Kilo è 3 volte la gamma di Sinpo (un progetto 877 chilo sottomarino può muoversi 6000 miglia snorkeling o 400 miglia sommerso un progetto 636 Kilo sottomarino può spostare 7500 migliaio snorkeling)
anche un sottomarino chilo può ricaricare i siluri molto più velocemente del sottomarino Sinpo e non dire molto più silenzioso, e perché lanciare il missile balistico dai sottomarini? non abbiamo armi nucleari?
la possibilità di lanciare missili cruise è molto più utile per noi e per questo non abbiamo nemmeno bisogno del tubo di lancio verticale. [/ QUOTE]

can you explain to me how to make Kilo-Sinpo comparisons, when nobody knows the true technical characteristics of the North Korean submarine "Sinpo"?
From the Golf class, at most, the North Koreans may have copied the ballistic missile launch system, otherwise the hull of the Sinpo (from the photos disclosed) has characteristics that differ greatly from the Golf class, starting from the architecture of the propulsion system

The endurance of sinpo is known , the displacement is known and also its known that what its based on.
Also it's known that North Korea twice launched missile from it . one time the submarine damaged when they failed and another time the launch was without incident but the missile iitself failed.

 

[yavar]

 

[sahureka2]

The endurance of sinpo is known , the displacement is known and also its known that what its based on.
Also it's known that North Korea twice launched missile from it . one time the submarine damaged when they failed and another time the launch was without incident but the missile iitself failed.

known data?
those are presumed data!
approximate are the dimensions of the part visible during navigation on the surface

but nothing is known of the immersed part, therefore they can only be presumed, as the lines of the submerged hull are presumed, as did the designer for the blog http://www.hisutton.com/North Korean missile sub may have new base.html

Nothing is known about the type and power of the engines;
Nothing is known of the maximum speed in diving;
Nothing is known about autonomy;
No one (apart from the North Koreans) is aware if the Sinpo is also equipped with torpedo tubes;
Presumed is also the displacement;
Therefore, how is it possible to make a comparison with another submarine (Kilo) of which, at least in the older versions, known data are available

 

[Sineva]

[QUOTE = "Hack-Hook, post: 10699279, membro: 136435"] non abbiamo bisogno del progetto per quello che abbiamo già smantellato e poi abbiamo messo insieme Yunes.
dal modo in cui Kilo Submarine è in grado di lanciare missili, il modello che otteniamo (Tipo 877) non ottiene l'aggiornamento, ma può essere aggiornato per quello. e il risultato finale sarebbe molto meglio di Sinpo.
sii consapevole del fatto che stai cercando il rumoroso Sinpo, invece di investire in uno dei sottomarini più silenziosi che sia stato costruito. Inoltre, non dimenticare la gamma di Kilo è 3 volte la gamma di Sinpo (un progetto 877 chilo sottomarino può muoversi 6000 miglia snorkeling o 400 miglia sommerso un progetto 636 Kilo sottomarino può spostare 7500 migliaio snorkeling)
anche un sottomarino chilo può ricaricare i siluri molto più velocemente del sottomarino Sinpo e non dire molto più silenzioso, e perché lanciare il missile balistico dai sottomarini? non abbiamo armi nucleari?
la possibilità di lanciare missili cruise è molto più utile per noi e per questo non abbiamo nemmeno bisogno del tubo di lancio verticale. [/ QUOTE]

can you explain to me how to make Kilo-Sinpo comparisons, when nobody knows the true technical characteristics of the North Korean submarine "Sinpo"?
From the Golf class, at most, the North Koreans may have copied the ballistic missile launch system, otherwise the hull of the Sinpo (from the photos disclosed) has characteristics that differ greatly from the Golf class, starting from the architecture of the propulsion system

Even copying the launch system seems to be unlikely as the russians traditionally used a hot launch in a flooded tube rather than cold launch ejection with an inflight start as the west used,and which the dprk seems to have adopted.