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ISIS is “much stronger and much more dangerous” than anyone in the west realises, the journalist said.

The first western journalist in the world to be allowed extensive access to Isis territories in Syria and Iraq has returned from the region with a warning: the group is "much stronger and much more dangerous" than anyone in the west realises.

Jurgen Todenhofer, 74, is a renowned German journalist and publicist who travelled through Turkey to Mosul, the largest city occupied by Isis, after months of negotiations with the group's leaders.

He plans to publish a summary of his "10 days in the Islamic State" on Monday, but in interviews with German-language media outlets has revealed his first impressions of what life is like under Isis.

Speaking to the website Der tz, Todenhofer revealed that he actually stayed in the same hotel in Benghazi as James Foley, the US journalist who was beheaded on camera by Isis in August.

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"Of course, I've seen the terrible, brutal video and it was one of my main concerns during the negotiations as to how I can avoid (the same fate)," he said.

Once within Isis territory, Todenhofer said his strongest impression was "that Isis is much stronger than we think here". He said it now has "dimensions larger than the UK", and is supported by "an almost ecstatic enthusiasm that I have never encountered in any other warzone".


"Each day, hundreds of willing fighters arrive from all over the world," he told tz. "For me it is incomprehensible."

Todenhofer claims to have been able to move among Isis fighters, observing their living conditions and equipment. On his Facebook page, he has posted images which he said show German Heckler & Koch MG3 machine guns in the hands of Isis. "Someday this German MG could be directed to us," he said.

Isis's fighters themselves sleep, he said, in barracks formed from "the shells of bombed-out houses". They number around 5,000 in Mosul, and are spread so widely that were the US to bomb them all "they would have to reduce the whole of Mosul to ruins", he said.

Todenhofer says that this ultimately means Isis cannot be beaten by Western intervention or air strikes - despite US claims last week that they have proven effective. "With every bomb that is dropped and hits a civilian, the number of terrorists increases," he said.


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Speaking in a TV interview with RTL's Nachtjournal programme two days after his return to Germany last week, Todenhofer said Isis has worked hard to establish itself as a functioning state. He said it has "social welfare", a "school system", and that he was even surprised to see it has plans to provide education to girls.

Most concerning of all, he said, was Isis fighters' belief that "all religions who agree with democracy have to die".

He said the view that kept being repeated was that Isis want to "conquer the world" and all who do not believe in the group's interpretation of the Quran will be killed. The only other religions to be spared, Todenhofer said, were the "people of the book" — Jews and Christians.

"This is the largest religious cleansing strategy that has ever been planned in human history", he told RTL.

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Most concerning of all, he said, was Isis fighters' belief that "all religions who agree with democracy have to die".

He said the view that kept being repeated was that Isis want to "conquer the world" and all who do not believe in the group's interpretation of the Quran will be killed. The only other religions to be spared, Todenhofer said, were the "people of the book" - Jews and Christians.

"This is the largest religious cleansing strategy that has ever been planned in human history", he told RTL.


Charlie Winter, a researcher for the anti-extremism thinktank Quilliam, said such comments about Isis being "a group that is formidable militarily and politically" were quoted by pro-Isis accounts because it is "a bitter pill for policymakers to swallow".

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"That said, Todenhofer's comments on the massacre of the Yazidis and displacement of hundreds of thousands in Mosul have been routinely ignored by Isis supporters," Mr Winter said. "The facts are being cherry-picked to give a very narrow view of the situation that Todenhofer was met with in Syria and Iraq."


Todenhofer plans to use his first-hand experience of Isis in a book he is writing about the group. He says on Facebook that he has always "spoken to both sides" in his 50 years reporting from war zones, including interviews with Syria's President Bashar al-Assad and al-Qaida, with Afghanistan's President Hamid Karzai and with leaders of the Taliban.

In his view, Isis will soon come to the west to negotiate a level of co-existence. "The only ones who could stop this now are the moderate Iraqi Sunnis," he said, adding: "If you want to defeat an opponent, you must know him."


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First western journalist given full access to ISIS warns it's 'much more dangerous than we think' - The Times of India
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That's what you get when you ally with a country, then bomb it, then reconstruct it, then bomb it again, then invade it, destroy its government and then fund terrorists to destroy its neighboring country. Monsters. That's what you get. Well done USA, well done.
 
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That's what you get when you ally with a country, then bomb it, then reconstruct it, then bomb it again, then invade it, destroy its government and then fund terrorists to destroy its neighboring country. Monsters. That's what you get. Well done USA, well done.
And their solution is to bomb it (goin on as we speak), and then reconstruct it again. :mad:
 
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Where do they get so much funding from? Is someone buying oil from ISIS controlled oilfields? And wtf? Where did they get Russian Ak-47s and American M-4s from? Iraq's not like FATA where people make guns themselves.
 
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Where do they get so much funding from? Is someone buying oil from ISIS controlled oilfields? And wtf? Where did they get Russian Ak-47s and American M-4s from? Iraq's not like FATA where people make guns themselves.
Russian AK-47s from Syrian armed forces. Assad is still supported by Russia. Most of the M4s are from the Iraqi armed forces who ran leaving their weapons behind at the sight of ISIS.
 
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Where do they get so much funding from? Is someone buying oil from ISIS controlled oilfields? And wtf? Where did they get Russian Ak-47s and American M-4s from? Iraq's not like FATA where people make guns themselves.
Ak-47 is the world's most copied gun. It isn't much complicated and can easily be manufactured and using and maintaining it can be learnt within an hour. They got the M-4s from US and UK under the banner of "moderate rebels".

Russian AK-47s from Syrian armed forces. Assad is still supported by Russia. Most of the M4s are from the Iraqi armed forces who ran leaving their weapons behind at the sight of ISIS.
M-4 is a complicated gun to operate, those guys had to be taught how to properly use them. Mossad had to train ISIS how to use them properly (they used M-4s way before the Northern offensive in Iraq).
 
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Ak-47 is the world's most copied gun. It isn't much complicated and can easily be manufactured and using and maintaining it can be learnt within an hour. They got the M-4s from US and UK under the banner of "moderate rebels".


M-4 is a complicated gun to operate, those guys had to be taught how to properly use them. Mossad had to train ISIS how to use them properly (they used M-4s way before the Northern offensive in Iraq).
Thats a good point about M4, which the western media often fails to mention.

And you are sitting happily with those morons,in their country. :mad: :P
Coastal liberal America is much different, and anyway still in engineering US university education is the best.
 
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Ive been saying it for a very long while now. The ISIS is much more dangerous than we think, not just for Iraq,Syria or Muslim countries.. but all countries wherever the chance of extremism within their Muslim diaspora exists.
 
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Don't think so, he is looking for attention so he can have big hit with his new publication. ISIS is losing ground to Iraqi army. Earlier they were losing much ground to Kurds, but it seems they got it back and more. According to some maps. Which is confusing, whoever is updating such maps is making errors.

ISIS just rushed to make their own state/institutions so they appear more than just militant group. Doesn't mean they are under-estimated. Author gives no specific reasons as to why he claims that.
 
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Most concerning of all, he said, was Isis fighters' belief that "all religions who agree with democracy have to die".

He said the view that kept being repeated was that Isis want to "conquer the world" and all who do not believe in the group's interpretation of the Quran will be killed. The only other religions to be spared, Todenhofer said, were the "people of the book" — Jews and Christians.

"This is the largest religious cleansing strategy that has ever been planned in human history", he told RTL.

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Dawlat al Islami qamat....lolz JK. Allah protect us from this fitnah.
 
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Ak-47 is the world's most copied gun. It isn't much complicated and can easily be manufactured and using and maintaining it can be learnt within an hour. They got the M-4s from US and UK under the banner of "moderate rebels".


M-4 is a complicated gun to operate, those guys had to be taught how to properly use them. Mossad had to train ISIS how to use them properly (they used M-4s way before the Northern offensive in Iraq).


Defected Iraqi army and imprisoned Iraqi army men can train ISIS militants how to maintain captured M4s, ISIS has almost as many M4s as AK47s now, that is from captured Iraqi military. Conspiracy theories are just that, theories that require proof, but it is not even a theory, a theory is something that can actually work, it should be called a conspiracy thesis.
 
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Defected Iraqi army and imprisoned Iraqi army men can train ISIS militants how to maintain captured M4s, ISIS has almost as many M4s as AK47s now, that is from captured Iraqi military. Conspiracy theories are just that, theories that require proof, but it is not even a theory, a theory is something that can actually work, it should be called a conspiracy thesis.
They way these guys are handling their rifles I doubt it was the Iraqi Army that taught them how to operate...I have only seen Western soldiers handling firearms that way.
 
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They way these guys are handling their rifles I doubt it was the Iraqi Army that taught them how to operate...I have only seen Western soldiers handling firearms that way.

The one's who defected to ISIS are largely officers who were and still are loyal to Saddam Hussien, Ba'athist Iraqi army was well trained, not the current one.
 
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