Finally state of Pakistan decided to stand for its Sovereignty

[SaadH]

wrong he was processing them as diplomats.. there is nothing ISI can do here.

Pray tell which country sends it's agents/provocateurs as agent provocateurs...of course they are sent in under diplomatic cover...

Raymond Davis wasn't sent in as "CIA agent"

 

[maverick1977]

Pray tell which country sends it's agents/provocateurs as agent provocateurs...of course they are sent in under diplomatic cover...

Raymond Davis wasn't sent in as "CIA agent"

Embassy flags a potential application of diplomat to be an agent and then agencies keep an eye on them.. Haqqani didnt do it and gave free pass to agents..

 

[Goritoes]

State is under pressure from the United State haha

 

[The Terminator]

Did you miss the words "what I have heard", that literally means what I heard from someone else. Yes Najam Sethi is one of the person I heard.

Oh ok for that 1, I owe you an apology that I missed a word heard. But bro I read your written preface intro where you said more than once I think, and how logical and unbiased you are. But after saying that you quoted a man who is the most biased and literally seems to be another spokesperson of MNS and Maryam bibi. Many of his theories proven to be fake and projections falsified. Due to Sethi's utter bias towards the MNS and how he use to flatter his big boss by completely knocking the logic out of the window.

Now I would like to enlighten you a bit about it's working procedure and historical facts.

At almost each capital abroad, the embassy of a state houses defense attaches, uniformed military officials as well as undercover intelligence agents along with all as usual foreign office staff. That's specially of significant importance when the subject country is a key geopolitical player or a major superpower.

When an outgoing ambassador of Pakistan, in a formal meeting met a senior US official, he was instructed to convey a message to the state of Pakistan and it's establishment. And there should be some officials assisting the ambassador in that meeting who record each and every bit of the conversation that's taken place. And it's been made part of the record. When the ambassador decides to cable the message back to his foreign office through encrypted communications , his each and every word is cross examined with that recorded form by by officials and finalized before sending the message. outgoing and incoming ambassadors conveyed the similar response from the US officials.

Then if a matter of national security or of grave concern is put up by the Govt or any other department of the Govt. It's the intelligence agencies, which determine it's authenticity through their global network and internal institutional correspondence and records. That's how Hussain Haqqani was charged and eventually convicted in memogate scandal case by the court.

Now apparently a weak, close to be ousted PM, his cabinet report a document through foreign office and brings it to the light. Now why would some of the most experienced and senior bureaucrats/diplomats would risk their own lives, their country's future for a minority PM by reporting those so called "fake"documents! When they know that they would be caught immediately and could be executed under the trial of high treason!

And Hina Rabbani Khar, a former foreign minister has already said that they used to receive these kinds of threats and PM IK is exaggerating it while we used to just cover it up. Everyone from the public of the Pakistan has witnessed the political leadership of the opposition parties constantly meeting with foreign diplomats, and they were also meeting them constantly in abroad and didn't even denied the fact. How many of the foreign diplomats constantly met ex-President Donald J. Trump during the recent political termoil there and when he was removed from the power with a lot of unnecessary drama! None.
Rana Sanaullah's volunteer confessional video statement to the media is part of the record too.

It's been historically recorded by our heads of state and Govt officials alike that US has been accustomed to $hit talk us in the most abusive manner possible to get the work done and had been constantly in touch with the non Governmental anti regime/anti state personalities to conspire against the state of the Pakistan. It's the historical fact. Can someone deny the phone call to the by then President General Musharraf, where he had been asked are you with us or against us and you could be bombed back to the stone age. That's been the norm of US-Pakistan relations untill the inexperienced, unconventional, entirely new regime of the IK arrived which hadn't any clue of it happening before. An anomaly as was Donald Trump to their as usual pro establishment regimes. That's part of the history which can never be changed.

By just connecting those dots, anyone can deduce a logical conclusion out of it by having just a grain of critical thinking and mediocre comprehension skills. There isn't any rocket science involved.

You would also notice that in most of my argument, I quoted well documented historical facts and statements from the powerful personalities of the Pakistan, not some random baseless self created hypothesis as many of our media "experts" tend to do.

Even a playgroup kid can then join the dots and reach to the conclusion that it's in fact a butterfly and can never be giraffe or an elephant! Why? Because kids are innocent and unbiased

 

[imadul]

Its a suicide. Without preparation and with incompetent management, this stance will be a complete suicide.

Yes, now I also think, applying article 5 and 6 against PDM will make them political martyrs.
Also it seems Army has no problem with US interference.

Oh ok for that 1, I owe you an apology that I missed a word heard. But bro I read your written preface intro where you said more than once I think, and how logical and unbiased you are. But after saying that you quoted a man who is the most biased and literally seems to be another spokesperson of MNS and Maryam bibi. Many of his theories proven to be fake and projections falsified. Due to Sethi's utter bias towards the MNS and how he use to flatter his big boss by completely knocking the logic out of the window.

Now I would like to enlighten you a bit about it's working procedure and historical facts.

At almost each capital abroad, the embassy of a state houses defense attaches, uniformed military officials as well as undercover intelligence agents along with all as usual foreign office staff. That's specially of significant importance when the subject country is a key geopolitical player or a major superpower.

When an outgoing ambassador of Pakistan, in a formal meeting met a senior US official, he was instructed to convey a message to the state of Pakistan and it's establishment. And there should be some officials assisting the ambassador in that meeting who record each and every bit of the conversation that's taken place. And it's been made part of the record. When the ambassador decides to cable the message back to his foreign office through encrypted communications , his each and every word is cross examined with that recorded form by another official and finalized before sending the message. outgoing and incoming ambassadors conveyed the similar response from the US officials.

Then if a matter of national security or of grave concern is put up by the Govt or any other department of the Govt. It's the intelligence agencies, which determine it's authenticity through their global network and internal institutional correspondence and records. That's how Hussain Haqqani was charged and eventually convicted in memogate scandal case by the court.

Now apparently a week, close to be ousted PM, his cabinet report a document through foreign office and brings it to the light. Now why would some of the most experienced and senior bureaucrats/diplomats would risk their own lives, their country's future for a minority PM by reporting those so called "fake"documents! When they know that they would be caught immediately and could be executed under the trial of high treason!

And Hina Rabbani Khar, a former foreign minister has already said that they used to receive these kinds of threats and PM IK is exaggerating it while we used to just cover it up. Everyone from the public of the Pakistan has witnessed the political leadership of the opposition parties constantly meeting with foreign diplomats, and they were also meeting them constantly in abroad and didn't even denied the fact. How many of the foreign diplomats constantly met ex-President Donald J. Trump during the recent political termoil there and when he was removed from the power with a lot of unnecessary drama! None.
Rana Sanaullah's volunteer confessional video statement to the media is part of the record too.

It's been historically recorded by our heads of state and Govt officials alike that US has been accustomed to $hit talk us in the most abusive manner possible to get the work done and had been constantly in touch with the non Governmental anti regime/anti state personalities to conspire against the state of the Pakistan. It's the historical fact. Can someone deny the phone call to the by then President General Musharraf, where he had been asked are you with us or against us and you could be bombed back to the stone age. That's been the norm of US-Pakistan relations untill the unconventional, entirely new regime of the IK which hadn't experienced it before. An anomaly as was Donald Trump to their as usual pro establishment regimes. That's part of the history which can never be changed.

By just connecting those dots, anyone can deduce a logical conclusion out of it by having just a grain of critical thinking and mediocre comprehension skills. There isn't any rocket science involved.

You would also notice that in most of my argument, I quoted well documented historical facts and statements from the powerful personalities of the Pakistan, not some random baseless self created hypothesis as many of our media "experts" tend to do.

O Bhai, who shall read that long

 

[Cash GK]

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At the risk of going off topic, I have a question for the people here. Who are the Sariaki people and which political party do they support? Almost every other ethnic group in the country has a political party front that I can associate with. But I've never read anything about Sariaki people's political affiliation in this forum. Infact, I can only recall a very few instances of this group getting mention here at all. Any famous people from this ethnic group?

Hope someone will be willing to comment about this.

As you have asked comment. This is for you.F..u... you want to create fight among Pakistanis .

 

[Wood]

As you have asked comment. This is for you.F..u... you want to create fight among Pakistanis .

I would not guess that your sense of national unity is so shallow

 

[Wood]

Saraiki is a type of Punjabi language but in census it is counted as separate language


Shah mehmood qureshi foreign minister

Thanks. I thought that this was a separate language.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Yes, now I also think, applying article 5 and 6 against PDM will make them political martyrs.
Also it seems Army has no problem with US interference.


O Bhai, who shall read that long

Political martyrs usually happen when sense of injustice exists that a particular province or ethnicity was targetted..The solution has to be lethal and indiscriminate , make so many political martyrs form all backgrounds that it deosnt even matter to the public anymore. PDM is a perfect lab rat to test that....

 

[khansaheeb]

I hope Imran Khan finishes this fight

I hope the real good people of Pakistan come out on the streets and voice their anger at the corrupts.

 

[Darth.Vad3r]

Beggars can't be choosers - our new foreign, national n personal policy for rest of our lives. Let's read this line every morning in all schools, universities, even add these words to our national anthem. Inscribe these words on our national flag may be if people don't accept it. Message is loud n clear. Jaag jao is khuwab e ghaflat say.

 

[Mirzali Khan]

I hope the real good people of Pakistan come out on the streets and voice their anger at the corrupts.

Youth will be seriously alienated and will be open to ethnic/religious radicalization. Establishment is making a grand mistake if they cut off Imran Khan.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Yes, now I also think, applying article 5 and 6 against PDM will make them political martyrs.
Also it seems Army has no problem with US interference.

Now here is the issue. Do you think the army doesn't act against western aggressors? Actually, you are right. But hey doesn't this thing make the army traitor? Well, sort of no. The reason is: that the army knows, that our weapons come from sources who demand money. Money comes from the west. We don't have a strong banking base. We don't have a strong R&D base, nor the aptitude.
That's why I say, gather capable people on the management side first, and take a stand, be it the last.

Aqal se kam lo. Shah Mehmood or fawad chodhry jaisy pe stand logy?

Edit:
Army also thinks that Pakistan cant outperform India without the help of western weapons. I think the state of Pakistan must rethink and reshape its defense doctrine. We must rethink our justice system and economic strategies and system. The more techniques we will borrow from the West, the more weapons we will buy from the west, and the more things will get worse in Pakistan. And trust me, you don't need ammunition to break today's India. And India must be disintegrated asap into smaller states. Otherwise this Army-govt cycle will never get broken.

 

[kursed]

You cannot apply Article 6, just like that. It needs parliamentary approval from majority of members that PTI does not have any more and if Gov opts to do it, SCP will squash it.

 

[imadul]

Political martyrs usually happen when sense of injustice exists that a particular province or ethnicity was targetted..The solution has to be lethal and indiscriminate , make so many political martyrs form all backgrounds that it deosnt even matter to the public anymore. PDM is a perfect lab rat to test that....

SC registrar quashed the petition against NC. General bajwa used an unusually harsh tone against Russia in the Islamabad Security dialog.
Pakistan usual Gernaltocracy on road to restore strong pro-western policies.