FC-31 v2.0 First flight 2016.12.23

[帅的一匹]

Right.

So that is why Chinese products have such wonderful quality on average? Even an expensive Chinese product has components of questionable quality in them (I know this from personal experience). Heck, just look at those locomotives that you provided us.

Yes, Chinese military-grade stuff would be of higher quality than consumer stuff but you aren't fooling me in this matter.

Let us start with the engines first. So how good are Chinese engines in comparison to American engines for automobiles and aircraft? Enlighten.

USA still ahead of China in engine development. China is isolated, we struggle to do the best by ourself( thanks to the help Russia and Ukraine provide, although it's quite expensive). BAE contrite use lots in F35 development, so will Japan add in the future. We Chinese have to fight alone, that's our destiny.we never count any one in cause, who can be? If there is a problem with those locomotive, just complain it to the supplier and let them get it right next time.

Brother, lets agree to disagree with @LeGenD ... I think what he is trying to say is in technical know how USA is ahead of China as of now ... I also think that being mature person we should accept our shortcomings .. China is behing in engine techs.... When China is still testing J-20 ... USA F22 raptor are battle tested ...

However, I completely acknowledge that pace of development of technologies in China are far too great in comparison to other nations and even today in some of the tech China has already surpassed USA for e.g. in anti-ship ballistic missiles,,, hypersonic glide vehicles ... etc etc ...

Brother remember most of Pakistanis trust China much more than USA or west ... any critics on China is for the better as we want China to progress even further ... as you can see Pakistani's critics on pakistan is highest as we care about Pakistan ... similarly we care about China ...

So lets agree to disagree ...

Well said. No push, no progress.

 

[BHarwana]

USA still ahead of China in engine development. China is isolated, we struggle to do the best by ourself( thanks to the help Rudssia provide, although it's quite expensive). BAE contrite use lots in F35 development, so will Japan add in the future. We Chinese have to fight alone, that's our destiny.we never count any one in cause, who can be? If there is a problem with those locomotive, just complain it to the supplier and let them get it right next time.

Are you joking China is ahead of USA in every tech. USA is dependent on China on communication system. China is dominating the chip market. China has the biggest reserve of Rare earth metals and with out them USA can only make needles and no technology.

Right.

So that is why Chinese products have such wonderful quality on average? Even an expensive Chinese product has components of questionable quality in them (I know this from personal experience). Heck, just look at those locomotives that you provided us.

Yes, Chinese military-grade stuff would be of higher quality than consumer stuff but you aren't fooling me in this matter.

Let us start with the engines first. So how good are Chinese engines in comparison to American engines for automobiles and aircraft? Enlighten.

USA still ahead of China in engine development. China is isolated, we struggle to do the best by ourself( thanks to the help Russia and Ukraine provide, although it's quite expensive). BAE contrite use lots in F35 development, so will Japan add in the future. We Chinese have to fight alone, that's our destiny.we never count any one in cause, who can be? If there is a problem with those locomotive, just complain it to the supplier and let them get it right next time.

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90% reserves of the world are in china and these are the things needed to make a 5th gen fighter. China is not selling them. SO USA AND RUSSIA NEED CHINA.

 

[帅的一匹]

Are you joking China is ahead of USA in every tech. USA is dependent on China on communication system. China is dominating the chip market. China has the biggest reserve of Rare earth metals and with out them USA can only make needles and no technology.

China had been isolated too long a period of time, man! We had made miracle by going this far alone! Look at India's pathetic performance in military development ( flattered by west ,and the west weapon market is open to them), we are very proud.

China and USA is dependable on each other, so peace.

 

[BHarwana]

China had been isolated too long a period of time, man! We had made miracle by going this far alone! Look at India's pathetic performance in military development ( flattered by west ,and the west weapon market is open to them), we are very proud.

You are not Isolated, at the top every one is Isolated because rest of the world is behind and still researching and at that point you have to do every thing by your own self. That is a point where no one can help you. Every one is looking at you that is why there is only one leader.

 

[LeGenD]

WO WO WO what are they capable of?????
They don't have a working software for them. Grow up man

F-22 Raptor is combat-ready since 2005 (first test flight took place in 1997). The on-board technologies and capabilities are such that this aircraft may not be sold to any other country (including closest allies) anytime soon. In comparison, Russian and Chinese designs are still in prototype stage. Superiority of Americans in aviation industry is apparent from these basic observations alone.

F-35 is the most ambitious project of its kind in history because it involves development of 3 distinct aircraft designs (each for a different role). F-35A is combat-ready at present and others will follow-suit before the end of this decade.

Though some of the capabilities of F-22 Raptor and F-35 series aircraft are classified (and will remain so in the future), some information is available to the public through pilot testimonials, videos and official sources. However, there is so much about these aircraft that we continue to learn on daily basis.

For starters: https://www.f35.com/about/capabilities

This statement is self-explanatory by the way:

"People think stealth is what defines 5th Gen[eration aircraft]. It’s not the only thing. It’s stealth and then the avionics and the fusion of avionics."

My argument is that Chinese have seemingly perfected airframe design but it is too early to draw firm conclusions about the quality of engines, avionics and other sensitive stuff in use in J-20 and J-31. They are undergoing trails and not much information is leaked to the public for evaluation. Anybody who has a basic grasp of global tech-related developments would advice caution and wait-and-see approach in regards to Chinese products.

However, much better than doing nothing. Credit where due.

They are depending on Japan now for much of the electronics of the F 35 after failing to provide the stuff them self. A prototype of F 35 was delivered to Japan to do the research.

Do you even understand the purpose of F-35 project?

F-22 Raptor is not for sale so Americans came-up with F-35 project to appease its allies.

 

[BHarwana]

F-22 Raptor is combat-ready since 2005 (first test flight took place in 1997). The on-board technologies and capabilities are such that this aircraft may not be sold to any other country (including closest allies) anytime soon

Not selling to CLOSEST ALLIES and also USA STOPPED the production because it is not a successful project.

If a country can make something better like F22 why would it go for something less better like F35. Do you think the world is stupid???

Please stop copy pasting the text from Lockheed Martin advertisements.

 

[LeGenD]

Not selling to CLOSEST ALLIES and also USA STOPPED the production because it is not a successful project.

If a country can make something better like F22 why would it go for something less better like F35. Do you think the world is stupid???

American policymakers stopped production of F-22 Raptor because they had to divert resources to the F-35 project which is relatively more ambitious and costly endeavor.

F-22 Raptor is not a failure. It is a success-story, the (first) 5th generation air-superiority aircraft in service in the world since 2005 with no competitor in sight even today. Your assumptions are misinformed.

Please stop copy pasting the text from Lockheed Martin advertisements.

Right! When you decide to buy a product, you evaluate it on the basis of its advertised specifications or you disregard the advertised information?

Use some common sense.

Here is a detailed explanation from Lockheed Martin about capabilities of F-35 aircraft: http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/brand-connect/the-f-35-how-it-works/

You can also check pilot testimonials for neutral perspective. For example: http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...he-f-35-stealth-fighter-the-worlds-best-16790

 

[帅的一匹]

Are you joking China is ahead of USA in every tech. USA is dependent on China on communication system. China is dominating the chip market. China has the biggest reserve of Rare earth metals and with out them USA can only make needles and no technology.





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90% reserves of the world are in china and these are the things needed to make a 5th gen fighter. China is not selling them. SO USA AND RUSSIA NEED CHINA.

Due to the negligence of previous government, China had exported the rare earth at extremely low price to USA and Japan. Now the price been restored to reasonable level, and Japan and USA sue China at WTO in the name of manipulating rare earth export volume. 56% of the rare earth had been purchased by Japan and its agent in China, means we sell strategic assets with a fcking low price to our enemy. All those accomplice helping our enemy to raid Chinese strategic assets shall be executed and those idiotic government officers let this hit happen shall be arrested. I really admire the iron fist a president Duterte adopt in Phillipine, kill those bastards all for people. The resource is draining without protection from government. The most horrible thing for China is not USA and Japan, it's traitors and indifferent attitude of government. Now the Xi JingPing government is doing pretty fine.

 

[BHarwana]

Right.

Why you decide to buy a product, you evaluate it on the basis of its advertised specifications or you disregard the advertised information?

Use some common sense.

Here is a detailed explanation from Lockheed Martin about capabilities of F-35 aircraft: http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/brand-connect/the-f-35-how-it-works/

You can also check pilot testimonials. They are neutral sources.

Here are the posts F 35 is a failure
http://www.activistpost.com/2016/03/military-admits-trillion-dollar-f-35-program-is-a-failure.html
http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2016/05/02/463586/JSF-F35-Pentagon-Gilmore/
http://theweek.com/articles/605165/f35-still-horribly-broken
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...its-billion-dollar-war-toy-f-35-is-f-ked.html
http://www.pogo.org/straus/issues/weapons/2016/the-f-35-still-failing-to-impress.html
And at last what will finally happen
http://www.popularmechanics.com/mil...hat-happens-if-the-f-35-fighter-is-a-failure/

Now the Xi JingPing government is doing pretty fine.

I can see USA is crying for those elements. All they purchased they made Iphones from them and now they need more and China has stocked them and not selling them even Pakistan rejected a US deal for rare earth elements. These elements are the future and expensive than gold they are the technology.

 

[帅的一匹]

American policymakers stopped production of F-22 Raptor because they had to divert resources to the F-35 project which is relatively more ambitious and costly endeavor.

F-22 Raptor is not a failure. Don't make silly assumptions.


Right! When you decide to buy a product, you evaluate it on the basis of its advertised specifications or you disregard the advertised information?

Use some common sense.

Here is a detailed explanation from Lockheed Martin about capabilities of F-35 aircraft: http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/brand-connect/the-f-35-how-it-works/

You can also check pilot testimonials for neutral perspective. For example: http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...he-f-35-stealth-fighter-the-worlds-best-16790

Why they stop F22 production is because they think only 178 units of F22 can beat the shit out of China and Russia air forces , that's why they determined to produce F35 a second tier fighters. They never expect China will come up with a new stealthy fighter this fast! They made strategical mistake by stopping production of F22 at number of only 178. Trump want to re-open the F22 production line, but it need tons of money to do that. They underestimate China, that's the price they have to pay. Will USA stop producing F22 when they told that's China will induct Stealthy fighter at year 2017? I think the answer is a big hell no!

 

[LeGenD]

Here are the posts F 35 is a failure
http://www.activistpost.com/2016/03/military-admits-trillion-dollar-f-35-program-is-a-failure.html
http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2016/05/02/463586/JSF-F35-Pentagon-Gilmore/
http://theweek.com/articles/605165/f35-still-horribly-broken
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...its-billion-dollar-war-toy-f-35-is-f-ked.html
http://www.pogo.org/straus/issues/weapons/2016/the-f-35-still-failing-to-impress.html
And at last what will finally happen
http://www.popularmechanics.com/mil...hat-happens-if-the-f-35-fighter-is-a-failure/

I am aware of such reports and they are largely useless or represent misinformed accounts of developments.

What actually happened is that F-35 aircraft has undergone rigorous testing to determine its limits and/or shortcomings due to a number of new concepts involved in its design and functioning, only to be fixed later. This is called TRIAL and ERROR approach in development.

Critics have an agenda; use the identified shortcomings (in prototypes) as a basis to attack the product. This shows their character. Perhaps some of them are even paid for such noise.

Ever written a thesis or developed a machinery? You will be hard-pressed to understand my stance without such experience.

 

[帅的一匹]

The more F35 Yankees produce, the less advantage USAAf will have against J20.

It's very pain, but they just can't do anything about it.

The only choice left is to reopen the F22 production line and update its avionics to F35 level. F22 is a non faulty design in its fuselage.

Huge problem lay in front of USAAF.

 

[BHarwana]

I am aware of such reports and they are largely useless or represent misinformed accounts of developments.

What actually happened is that F-35 aircraft has undergone rigorous testing to determine its limits and/or shortcomings due to a number of new concepts involved in its design and functioning, only to be fixed later. This is called TRIAL and ERROR approach in testing. Critics look at identified shortcomings and use them as a basis to attack the product.

You are wrong I am a software engineer and one major drawback is the software and data integration that is the biggest problem for this fighter as it has no active on board sensors but uses data from a data base which is collected by sensors on other air crafts like early warning RADAR system on other planes and SATs but they also need an air craft which acts as a data bank to supply F 35 with the data it requires about the enemy to make a successful operation. If that data link is lost F 35 is a sitting duck and that is where USA is having major problems. Currently the biggest threat to F35 is not a missile or an enemy fighter jet but a simple human with a laptop and a nae Hacker. The onboard touch screen system is also giving problems it gets stuck. the air frame is also giving problems it rips off.
F 35 was grounded 2 months back when the plane started catching fire on its on.

F 22 was better than F35 but when F 22 switches on it RADAR is becomes prey to ARM missiles and BOOM. So there is a big issue for USA to step into 5th gen and we will have to wait which country steps in the tech first. Till now USA is out of race and so is China and Russia. It is a wait and watch.

 

[The SC]

You are wrong I am a software engineer and one major drawback is the software and data integration that is the biggest problem for this fighter as it has no active on board sensors but uses data from a data base which is collected by sensors on other air crafts like early warning RADAR system on other planes and SATs but they also need an air craft which acts as a data bank to supply F 35 with the data it requires about the enemy to make a successful operation. If that data link is lost F 35 is a sitting duck and that is where USA is having major problems. Currently the biggest threat to F35 is not a missile or an enemy fighter jet but a simple human with a laptop and a nae Hacker. The onboard touch screen system is also giving problems it gets stuck. the air frame is also giving problems it rips off.
F 35 was grounded 2 months back when the plane started catching fire on its on.

F 22 was better than F35 but when F 22 switches on it RADAR is becomes prey to ARM missiles and BOOM. So there is a big issue for USA to step into 5th gen and we will have to wait which country steps in the tech first. Till now USA is out of race and so is China and Russia. It is a wait and watch.

If it is using cloud networking it is obviously very vulnerable to hacking whatever information system securities it might use..

 

[BHarwana]

If it is using cloud networking it is obviously very vulnerable to hacking whatever information system securities it might use..

That is the main issue you cannot put a RADAR on a stealth fighter (ARM missile becomes a threat)and have to use cloud to acquire target. If the plane that is acting as a linker is shot down or taken out or Hacked it bye bye to entire mission. In USA's case they are still debating what to use for linking they have two options either a Drone or A Boeing jet. Plus if you take out the aerial radar plan the entire squad of F35 goes blind. China is currently testing EMP air to air missiles they will make entire aerial operation fail. China has tested a thorium based non nuclear EMP and is reported to be successful in that. Plus Pakistan should buy some anti sat missiles from China they are the best def against 5th gen.