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False starts, faltering economy, how Asad Umar seems to be lying about the economy

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SBP's report only fortified the opinion held by many: that PTI - who may have a great foreign policy - are absolutely clueless about economics, and if not, totally unwilling to take the radical steps to fix it (i.e. think reducing defense expenditure, improving exports, doubling down to increase tax-base and collection, moving away from fossil fuel to solar power where possible, etc.)

IK needs to sack Asad Umar before it's too late.
based upon what?
SBP report is actual encouraging..

you think there will be 30% devaluation, resulting in higher inflation and demand constriction and yet there will be no growth slowing and no slow down in LSM..
what kinda idiot will say other wise?

energy prices in rupees will go up, inflation will remain high, growth will be slow..this has to happen as economy adjusts from "steroid induced growth"

the metric to look at will be
1. saving to GDP ratio
2. Privtae sector investment/debt taking
3. external factors and other macro economic indicators

after 2-3 years the above will result in GDP growth which i agree is the single most important indicator..but steroid induced growth simply is not sustainable and hurts countries more in longer run

this steroid induced growth that was a by product of artificially high currency and artificially low interest rate gave the govt alot of capital to work with but destroyed two very important things A. savings to GDP ratio(money went into black market) B. zero private lending as govt would simply take all the capital off the market

result govt led infrastuture and services led growth with some sectors of LSM growing due to increase demand but drop in domestic saving, exports and ulitmate growth

this is not rocket science but simple 10th grade economics, the reason why you see a unanimous favorable rating from private sector about this govt ..

doctors will tell you weaning someone off steroids is not easy and has to be done gradually..the same is dilemma we are facing, IMF wants steroids to be stopped now while asad umar wants to wean it off slowly..


unfortunately supreme court stopping two key taxes(GIDS and mobile phones) doesnt help the situation

Written by a two bit economist who has never taken a country out of financial crisis. Plenty of twats like these being churned out of universities.

Enough said.
tell a lie 100 times, make it simple...it will work..thats what these paid journalist are doing..same journalist were sleeping when I and other people were crying about looming doom..and we saw it happened
 
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the problem is that we have INTENTIONALLY slowed down the economy by increasing interest rates and cutting PSDP. Why? Because that is the only way to contain current account deficit (by decreasing demand for imports).

so in a way what Asad Umar has said is correct. These policies have achieved the intended objective of containing current account deficit by slowing growth. Obviously no one likes this!

then comes the question... how do we start growing again without running into the same problem again?

The answer is exports, FDI and remittances.

the government has taken several steps to achieve this. Currency depreciation, tax incentives and lower energy prices for exporters , refunds, decreasing paper work etc etc.

but all this will take an year or two before having any significant effect on the economy.
infaltion has to be in range of 5-6% becasue saving has to be increased for more capital availablilty

cutting down the infaltion to 3-4% will not help....

we have to understand, growth has to be led by private sector not govt...i dont care if PSDP is zero as long as private sector is borrowing and spening heavily, look at Bangladesh we should learn something from bengalis

That editor is a well known and respected economist. Stop being a delusional PTI fan boy. You are no less than the patwaris if you behave like that.
the writer is well known patwari and idiot...

i am going to fault(difference of opinion) Asad umar for not doing more drastic cuts..but i presume he wanted to keep the growth rate around 4%.. i also fault him for not levying any more taxes to curtain fiscal deficit more but again i assume he did it to contain inflation

the above is what IMF wants..more aggressive curtailment of fiscal deficit...

anyway it no longer matters, in this one year govt has achieved 1% adjustment
(from 6.6 to 5.6, though target is 4.9 but thanks to supreme court intervention it wont be able to acheive that), it can easily adjust another 1% next year..this was only possible by aggressive foreign policy of imran khan
 
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the problem is that we have INTENTIONALLY slowed down the economy by increasing interest rates and cutting PSDP. Why? Because that is the only way to contain current account deficit (by decreasing demand for imports).

so in a way what Asad Umar has said is correct. These policies have achieved the intended objective of containing current account deficit by slowing growth. Obviously no one likes this!

then comes the question... how do we start growing again without running into the same problem again?

The answer is exports, FDI and remittances.

the government has taken several steps to achieve this. Currency depreciation, tax incentives and lower energy prices for exporters , refunds, decreasing paper work etc etc.

but all this will take an year or two before having any significant effect on the economy.

All great points. In the near term we have to tighten our belts and restrict imports that don't benefit industry but we have some future hope. We must focus on development of Thar coal and Hydro-Power dams....export industries must get preferred access to energy at lower costs then residential or commercial costumers.
 
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The economic woes can be reduced by just two things

1. Tax Collection (As of 2013 only 0.57%)
2. Improving Exports ($24.84Billion/FY18)

But here lies the challenge, how do you collect tax when people don't want to pay it.

Secondly how to improve exports when we only have limited items, mostly agri based products and almost zero high valued products.
 
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Tax collection will be problem when economy slow downs so decrease in cad benefits may be offset by decrease in tax revenue
 
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As someone hoping for Pakistan's take off I am not tied to one party or another. From what I have seen....their is massive incompetence and lying in all the parties. Imran Khan can't be blamed for the fact that 99 percent of Pakistani politicians are just morons. In what normal country would that fat gangster Sheikh Rashid be liked? Or Rana Sanaullah? Bilawal is a complete joke. We have a very nascent democracy and things are going to take time to develop. PTI, to my read, is not performing anywhere near the level they promised over the last 7 years. And PMLN knows how to sit in opposition and frustrate the party in power.

I think IK needs to give full power to FBR. Stop going after the Sharifs. Focus on energy, environment, economy. Put competent people in the ministries, slowly weed out the idiots in the civil service and privatize all these state owned losers like PIA, PSM etc. If he does those things no matter if Sharif has NRO or military gives them awards no one will be able to replace IK.
 
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As someone hoping for Pakistan's take off I am not tied to one party or another. From what I have seen....their is massive incompetence and lying in all the parties. Imran Khan can't be blamed for the fact that 99 percent of Pakistani politicians are just morons. In what normal country would that fat gangster Sheikh Rashid be liked? Or Rana Sanaullah? Bilawal is a complete joke. We have a very nascent democracy and things are going to take time to develop. PTI, to my read, is not performing anywhere near the level they promised over the last 7 years. And PMLN knows how to sit in opposition and frustrate the party in power.

I think IK needs to give full power to FBR. Stop going after the Sharifs. Focus on energy, environment, economy. Put competent people in the ministries, slowly weed out the idiots in the civil service and privatize all these state owned losers like PIA, PSM etc. If he does those things no matter if Sharif has NRO or military gives them awards no one will be able to replace IK.

The political system definitely has a a tendency to bring inept and corrupt people into power (irrespective of which party is in power). This is a problem in most democracies. But in better run democracies, there are competent people in the civil bureaucracy that are more or less isolated from the corrupting influence of politics. There is also less PM switching....more stability.

I think key economic decisions should be removed from the hands of the political establishment. Just like key military decisions are made generals that are experts in that field and don't change when PM's change, so too should key decisions in agriculture, water, energy, industry/mining, trade, and finance be made by a council of vetted experts on fixed terms, irrespective of who is prime minister. It would be a more stable, politically insulated Economic Coordination Committee. The clowns in the political establishment can continue the political drama for masses and play musical chairs switching PM every other year but hopefully this way it will less impact on our economic development.
 
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Khurram Hussain!!

Well sorry I dont read him. And not much of Dawn either except skimming through the headlines.

By the way, the economic mess left behind the thugs of PPP and PMLN is no fault of Asad Umar. It will take time to mend.
 
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I am not expert but if government has taken any decisions it impact can be better seen in after 2 year. Economy is not like game you see imdiate effect. What we are seeing is due to heavy trade incentive policy of NS govt from last five year. Agriculture was hit by India and Manufacturing by China. Only thing we did good was services. Even labour is coming from China under CPEC. So I will make them responsible after two years.
 
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BACK in December 2018, Finance Minister Asad Umar was telling almost everyone he met that the economy has turned the corner, that improvements have begun to materialise, that green shoots are growing. For evidence, he would point to a few indicators, like the slide in reserves that had slowed mainly due to the arrival of the first billion from Saudi Arabia and rising offtake of credit from the private sector, which he pointed to as a sign of health returning to the economy.

In late December, he tweeted this: “Jul to October private sector credit offtake this year is Rs.360 billion vs only Rs.110 billion last year in the same period. Agriculture credit in Jul to Nov this year is Rs 212 billion, increase of 36pc vs Rs. 156 billion same period last year.”

And only a week earlier he had given an interview to Arab News in which he said: “I’m sure you would have heard (people say), ‘Business is not investing (in Pakistan) anymore’,” Umar said. “But if you look at private sector credit offtake — a useful metric to measure business investment — it was five times more in the first quarter of this year than in the first quarter of last year.”

In that same interview he drew a contrast between himself and his critics, and this is how the paper paraphrased him: “The minister said despite ‘doom-and-gloom’ scenarios painted by critics, he owed his optimism about Pakistan’s future to the fact that he was a ‘data-driven person’.”

There are numerous other places where the finance minister was trying to manufacture optimism using the same data points.

I’m using these two as examples only, but there are numerous other places where the finance minister was trying to manufacture optimism using the same data points. So in the telling of this tale the fact that credit disbursements to the private sector and agriculture were rising was a sign of economic dynamism returning.

But last week, looking at the same data, the State Bank arrived at the opposite conclusion. In its second quarterly report, it spoke of a “notable deceleration in economic activity” along with rising inflation. Moreover, in large-scale manufacturing (LSM), it said the contraction “became more pronounced” in the second quarter (October to December 2018) compared to the first quarter (July to September 2018).

In the first half of the fiscal year, from July to December, LSM actually contracted by 1.5 per cent compared to a growth of 6.6pc in the same period last year. Inflation similarly rose, and with the fiscal deficit continuing to rise even more sharply (driven by higher interest payments and “a sharp increase in defence expenditure”) controlling inflation is becoming even more challenging, it said. From a look at the data from the first half of the fiscal year, the State Bank further downgraded the economy’s growth rate by half a percentage point, saying it is now more likely to come in somewhere between 3.5pc to 4pc by the end of the year; the original target was more like 6.2pc.

So what do we make of the higher credit disbursements touted by the finance minister? How come he saw an economic turnaround at that time, but looking at the same data, the State Bank sees a “notable contraction” and further deceleration in the pace of economic activity? How does it explain a sharp increase in private-sector credit offtake in the midst of a contraction of industrial activity?

This is how: “This trend is largely due to the rising cost of imported inputs and higher energy prices on account of PKR depreciation and liquidity constraints owing to a higher level of unsold inventories (in POL, steel, autos, fertilisers, electronics and sugar sectors) along with circular debt in the energy sector.”

The report notes that while a few industries (power, textiles and cement) may have continued borrowing for capacity expansion (meaning investment), the majority of the credit offtake was not for investment purposes. Rather the higher credit disbursement to the private sector was a result of their costs rising sharply and they were borrowing to stay afloat. Far from being a sign of a return to health, the higher figure in this context is because of the intensifying struggle to stay afloat for industrial enterprises.

What about agriculture disbursements? The report first notes a sharp deceleration in the growth of major crops as well as the services sector connected to the handling of agriculture outputs, linking this to the shortage of water and rising prices of DAP fertiliser among other things. “Agriculture-credit disbursements decelerated from 39.4 percent during Q2-FY18 to 14.2 percent in Q2-FY19”, meaning the absolute figures may look high, but in fact there is a slowdown.

And why is the actual figure higher? Because of a 16.7pc increase in the price of fertiliser, along with an increase in the price of DAP fertiliser due to higher international prices that were compounded by the depreciation of the exchange rate.

So in agriculture the trend is similar to industry: farmers find themselves having to borrow more to stay afloat even as acreage under cultivation falls, major crop output declines, prices of inputs rise and a water shortage bites hard. The increased disbursement figures in both the industrial and agricultural sectors, far from suggesting the return of economic health, point towards a growing desperation to survive.

Earlier, the government was being attacked because the figures for the external debt showed a sharp increase. They argued back — correctly so — that the bulk of the increase was attributable to the depreciation of the exchange rate and not fresh borrowing. They were right. The two data points did not tell the story if looked at in isolation, outside of any context.

But then the finance minister turned around and did the exact same thing and started touting a recovery of some sort on the basis of two data points. Now, when those same two data points (agriculture and industrial credit disbursement) are looked at within their context, it turns out they tell a story opposite to what the finance minister tried to spin.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1472367
The figures he is quoting are not from Oct to Dec but Jul to Dec so mainly he is representing performance of previous government ...

However, out of various ideas from various schools of thought PTI choose a contractionary measure to overhaul the economy with a prime focus on increasing exports and inward remittances and decreasing import ...

Increase in dollar reduction in PSDP was the indicator ... Did they not know the effect will be inflation and contraction? Yes they did and they did this to make the directional changes and to based the economy on export growth rather than domestic consumption ...

Anychanges in economic strategies might take few years ... and a complete overhaul might take a decade ...

WE are going through a reorganization of a whole eoncomic system and people have started screaming in few months ... This time is not enough even to make a thorough plan and people here are talking results ...

Right now only broder direction is set and technical plans are being made in the form of laws, regulations, committees .. THese small units then form operational plans and then we will see results start appearing in a year or 2 ...

If you want cosmetic changes like Ishaq Dar would have done then he would printed some money have gave some concession to big business mans they will make money in 3 years and in the last year of election treasury will be empty with all the negative indicators ...

Asad Umar as taken the bold step and working on a direction in which he will face all the initial heat and the longterm benefits might be under the name of another finance minister ...
 
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