False Flaggers

[Martian2]

Why can't we have a thread on false flaggers?

If PDF won't allow a negative identification thread, that's okay with me.

What's wrong with a positive identification thread?

The thread "Who are Really Chinese on PDF?" is a positive identification thread. PDF members can come forward and state their claim to be included within a community. If the community rejects them, we can have a link where people can say: No, you are not Chinese. Link: False Flaggers.

The alternative is more cumbersome.

I will have to include: "You are not one of the 56 ethnic groups officially recognized by the Chinese government. Hence, you are not Chinese."

This is tedious, but I will have to do this if I can't have a simple False Flagger link.

 

[yugocrosrb95]

You can't label Chinese as non-Chinese because of different views.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Some half-Mexican and half-Viet anti-China troll should not be permitted to wave a Chinese flag to mislead other Chinese members.

I definitely agree with Martin on this issue.

 

[yugocrosrb95]

Some half-Mexican and half-Viet anti-China troll should not be permitted to wave a Chinese flag to mislead other Chinese members.

I definitely agree with Martin on this issue.

I didn't know you consider yourself a Vietnamese.

 

[Martian2]

Some half-Mexican and half-Viet anti-China troll should not be permitted to wave a Chinese flag to mislead other Chinese members.

I definitely agree with Martin on this issue.

Thank you for your support.

That's six Chinese PDF members that does not recognize a half-Mexican and half-Viet as Chinese.

The half-Mexican and half-Viet troll should fly the Mexican or Vietnamese flag. He should stop pretending to be Chinese.

A false flagger among our midst is of great concern to the PDF Chinese community.

The PDF Chinese community speaks with one voice on the South China Sea issue. The false flagger is trying to create confusion. This is extremely unfair to the PDF Chinese community.

 

[yugocrosrb95]

You can't claim that he is half-Vietnamese when his mother is a Chinese.

By your own logic and standards you are Vietnamese despite your mother being a Chinese, but it is pointless when you Chinese have broken logic and have set double standards for Chinese who don't share same view point as yours then he/she isn't Chinese. You might as well act as Nazi's who were in alliance with Imperialist Japan.

 

[Martian2]

You can't claim that he is half-Vietnamese when his mother is a Chinese.

By your own logic and standards you are Vietnamese despite your mother being a Chinese, but it is pointless when you Chinese have broken logic and have set double standards for Chinese who don't share same view point as yours then he/she isn't Chinese. You might as well act as Nazi's who were in alliance with Imperialist Japan.

No. You are not automatically Chinese, because you think your mother is Chinese.

They lived in Vietnam. That makes her Vietnamese.

You cannot claim to be Chinese without proof. A Vietnamese is Vietnamese. The Chinese government does not recognize Vietnamese citizens as Chinese citizens.

I have a green Taiwanese passport. I can easily prove I'm Chinese. On both my Taiwanese and American passports, the birthplace says Taipei. Chinese Taipei is part of China. I'm Chinese.

He can't prove he's Chinese. He can only prove he's Vietnamese.

His birthplace is Vietnam. He's Vietnamese.

 

[yugocrosrb95]

No. You are not automatically Chinese, because you think your mother is Chinese.

They lived in Vietnam. That makes her Vietnamese.

You cannot claim to be Chinese without proof. A Vietnamese is Vietnamese. The Chinese government does not recognize Vietnamese citizens as Chinese citizens.

I have a green Taiwanese passport. I can easily prove I'm Chinese.

He can't prove he's Chinese. He can only prove he's Vietnamese.

...and yet your goverment considers what you call "Vietnamese" as Chinese because they are Chinese because his mother is Chinese, he does not think that his mother Chinese, she is Chinese because she is of ethnicity that China labels as Chinese...

Your goverment labels him as Chinese because his mother is part of Chinese ethnicity, if you can't understand that then you are either dumb or you are what you are accusing him of!

 

[Martian2]

...and yet your goverment considers what you call "Vietnamese" as Chinese because they are Chinese because his mother is Chinese, he does not think that his mother Chinese, she is Chinese because she is of ethnicity that China labels as Chinese...

Your goverment labels him as Chinese because his mother is part of Chinese ethnicity, if you can't understand that then you are either dumb or you are what you are accusing him of!

No. Real Chinese have the right of abode.

You show up and prove that you're really Chinese. You have the right of residence in China. Germany and Israel have the same rule.

Without proof, you are a foreigner.

He has very strong claims to Mexican and Vietnamese nationalities. He cannot claim Chinese nationality. His flag is wrong.
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Chinese are stuck with Ai Weiwei, because he is really Chinese. Ai Weiwei is one in a million.

The 50% Mexican and 50% Viet is no Ai Weiwei.

By the way, I don't think Ai Weiwei disagrees with the Chinese position in the South China Sea. As far as I know, mainland Chinese, Taiwan's KMT and the opposition DPP are all in agreement on Chinese sovereignty over the South China Sea.

 

[yugocrosrb95]

No. Real Chinese have right of abode.

You show up and prove that you're really Chinese. You have the right of residence in China. Germany and Israel have the same rule.

Without proof, you are a foreigner.

He has very strong claims to Mexican and Vietnamese nationalities. He cannot claim Chinese nationality. His flag is wrong.
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Chinese are stuck with Ai Weiwei, because he is really Chinese. Ai Weiwei is one in a million.

The 50% Mexican and 50% Viet is no Ai Weiwei.

No. Real Chinese have right of abode.

You show up and prove that you're really Chinese. You have the right of residence in China. Germany and Israel have the same rule.

Without proof, you are a foreigner.

He has very strong claims to Mexican and Vietnamese nationalities. He cannot claim Chinese nationality. His flag is wrong.
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Chinese are stuck with Ai Weiwei, because he is really Chinese. Ai Weiwei is one in a million.

The 50% Mexican and 50% Viet is no Ai Weiwei.

Again... Since when a Chinese is a Viet? You keep lying to yourself, he himself said he is Vietnamese Chinese, why is your goverment accepting Vietnamese Chinese as their own? Vietnam prosecuted Vietnamese Chinese because they are Chinese yet you are ignorant of history and you hate Chinese who are Vietnamese Chinese.

Here's an example, when in media is mentioned people of one nation that are born in a another country;
Bosnian Serb - Serbian born in Bosnia

Country Nation - Bosnian Serb / Vietnamese Chinese

He can declare himself as Mexican or Chinese because he is half Mexican half Chinese, that does not negate the fact that he is both Mexican and Chinese due to genetics and because he is half Chinese your goverment consider him a Chinese.

 

[Post Colonnial]

@Martian2 - if your passport says you are Taiwanese born, how can you be Chinese? if you are going not by nationality but by racial origin, that would actually lead to lot more numerous what you call 'false flag' cases. For example Bengali origin person born in BD and living in India can claim Indian flag and vice versa which obviously will be wrong. Similarly Punjabi with Pakistan & India in the mix. I agree it i snot easy to come up with fool proof criteria but since your underlying issue is how to prevent dissent being exposed in a public forum, why not just debate the merits of the issue rather than trying to suppress expression of dissent?

if your stand on an issue is correct does it really matter who it is you argue with ?

 

[C130]

i can say 100% there are false flaggers on here but users pretending to be Chinese I dunno

 

[Martian2]

@Martian2 - if your passport says you are Taiwanese born, how can you be Chinese? if you are going not by nationality but by racial origin, that would actually lead to lot more numerous what you call 'false flag' cases. For example Bengali origin person born in BD and living in India can claim Indian flag and vice versa which obviously will be wrong. Similarly Punjabi with Pakistan & India in the mix. I agree it i snot easy to come up with fool proof criteria but since your underlying issue is how to prevent dissent being exposed in a public forum, why not just debate the merits of the issue rather than trying to suppress expression of dissent?

if your stand on an issue is correct does it really matter who it is you argue with ?

China does not accept dual citizens.

A person born to a Mexican father and a Vietnamese mother is not Chinese.

There is no such thing as a Chinese-Vietnamese.

As a Taiwanese, I'm an exception to the dual citizenship prohibition rule.

The Chinese government recognizes all Taiwanese as Chinese citizens.

Thus, I can claim to be a real Chinese (see citation below). As a Taiwanese, I am recognized as a real Chinese.

The 50% Mexican-50% Vietnamese can never be recognized as a real Chinese. Thus, he needs to stop flying the Chinese flag immediately. He's not Chinese.

China's ID cards for Taiwan residents start today - The China Post

 

[bobsm]

@Martian2 - if your passport says you are Taiwanese born, how can you be Chinese

He is a Chinese, as I, simply because of the official name of Taiwan is ROC, or republic of CHINA.

 

[yugocrosrb95]

China does not accept dual citizens.

A person born to a Mexican father and a Vietnamese mother is not Chinese.

There is no such thing as a Chinese-Vietnamese.

As a Taiwanese, I'm an exception to the dual citizenship prohibition rule.

The Chinese government recognizes all Taiwanese as Chinese citizens.

Thus, I can claim to be a real Chinese (see citation below). As a Taiwanese, I am recognized as a real Chinese.

The 50% Mexican-50% Vietnamese can never be recognized as a real Chinese. Thus, he needs to stop flying the Chinese flag immediately. He's not Chinese.

China's ID cards for Taiwan residents start today - The China Post

If you're a Chinese then he is Chinese, stop with denial you moron. You are and your denial won't negate that fact because you have double standards, you keep claiming that his Chinese mother is Vietnamese despite his mother being part of Chinese enthnicity and I already explained it yet you ignored it intenitonally, confirmation bias.