Fake news debunked about India allowing US experts in the INS Chakra.

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Sorry trolls, better luck next time.

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France pierced the States and Russia "Chakra"
Source News.ru: behind the informationthieves about the admission of representatives of the US Navy to the Russian nuclearsubmarine by the Indians is Paris

Anton Mardasov

IN THE WORLDNOVEMBER 09, 2017 / 15:44

The information that Moscow suspected New Delhi of admitting US Navy representatives to the Russian nuclear submarine of Project 971I, which is operated by the Indian Navy since 2011, has been organized by the French sidesince 2011 under the name Chakra (Chakra). This is done in order to push Russia, the United States and India and, on this background, lobby for their projects. About this News.ru a source in the Russian military-industrial complex said.

Recall, November 7 in the American edition of Strategy Page was published material in which, referring to sources, it was alleged that Russia was postponing the repair work on the leased India nuclear submarine because of suspicions that the Indian military, in violationof the lease agreement, allow representatives of the US Navy carefully study the Russiansubmarine. Also, according to sources of the publication, the Russian side had questions about the degree of damage to the submarine of the hydro-acoustic complex of thehydroacoustic complex (SAC), which, as noted by Indian media, the former K-152 Nerpanuclear submarine of the third generation of Project 971I "Shchuka-B" (designation of NATO - Akula) was received in the basing area - near Vishakhapatnam.

As Kommersant sources reported onNovember 9 in Russian state structures, first the US Navy delegation visited the aircraftcarrier Vikramaditya (the former aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov), and after a while it was already on board the Chakra nuclear submarine. One of the interlocutors of the publication called outrageous the very fact of the US Navy's appearance on the Russiansubmarine: "Among them there were well-trained technical specialists, somehow, butthey took out the information for themselves."

"There is complete confidence that the throw-in is organized by the lobbyists of France, and it's pretty high-quality," source News.ru said. - The time of his appearance was chosensuccessfully. On the one hand, in the near future, Vice-Premier Dmitry Rogozin is expected to visit India, which should finalize the agreements that were reached during Vladimir Putin's visit in October 2016. On the other hand, in the near future, the contractbetween Russia and India for the lease of the second nuclear submarine should also be finalized. "

According to him, we are talking about the nuclear submarine of the same project 971, which was "repaired for the Russian Navy." "In addition to the contract for the construction of non-nuclear boats such as Scorpene, the French have a great desire to enter the Indian nuclear fleet," the source said News.ru. - Currently, France is actively pushing the idea of its participation in the design of the second aircraft carrier of the Indian Navy of national construction. In general, the French side has repeatedly been seen in such provocations on the Indian arms market: it is believed that many negative publications concerning Russian aircraft in the Indian Air Force are the work of the French lobby. "

Recall that the submarine K-152 "Nerpa", completed under the agreement of 2000 with the Indian side on the modified project 971I, was transferred to the Indian Navy for rent for 10 years. The official ceremony of launching the S 72 Chakra in the Indian fleet was held in Vishakhapatnam in 2012. This is not the first time that the domestic nuclear submarine was leased to the Indian side - during the Soviet Union, the Indians operated the K-43 submarine of project 670 Scat (S 71 Chakra).

"There is a high level of competition in the arms market, and all means are good for obtaining a contract, including denigrating a competitor," said Andrey Frolov, editor-in-chief of the magazine Export of Arms, in an interview with News.ru. - History, when publications are initiated in which information is provided on the shortcomings revealed during tests or during the operation of samples of weapons and military equipment, periodically occur in the practice of military-technical cooperation. "

The expert cites an example: in 2016, confidential documents on the construction of six nonautomatic French submarines of the Scorpene type for the Indian Navy were received. "It is believed that for the French it was a powerful blow to the image in the light of concluding a contract with Australia for the construction of 12 submarines and that this throw could be Germany," said Andrei Frolov. - At the same time, during the Australian tender there were leaks about the alleged shortcomings of the German submarines of Project 216 (Typ 216). Whoever was behind them is not exactly clear, but for the French and Germans they have become quite a serious gap in terms of PR activity, which had to be dealt with in an emergency. "

https://news.ru/v-mire/franciya-probila-shtatam-i-rossii-podvodnuyu-chakru/

 

[abc123xyx]

french are just retaliating for the Scorpene case....

when billions of $ are involved , its all expected ....

 

[EndangeredSpecies]

Pakistani and their little happiness goes down the drain. It was pretty obvious with all signs of fake news written over it. Russian minister is coming to India for another deal of leasing a Russian nuclear sub. Why do you think this news came out just now?

 

[Assasin Ezio]

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Russia suspects that India has allowed U.S. Navy representatives to inspect a Russian-built nuclear submarine called 'Chakra', which India is leasing from Moscow, the daily writes. If confirmed, it would violate the terms of the lease. The incident could also seriously complicate future negotiations on military-technical cooperation between the two countries.

This has strong implications for all current and future acquisitions from Russia including S-400 and SU30's and even Brahmos so that india may get some cookies from uncle sam in return. There is no such thing as loyalty and honesty in the conduct of indian statecraft. World should realise this fundamental breach of mutual trust because I see IAF Rafales getting into the hands of Russians for exchange of some tech.

Read this:

soviets and Russians have faced such violations in the past and they won't allow it.
US has always been lucky to buy Russia's friends.

So you guys sell anything for Chinese money then?. National interest is above all and Russian history shows then never compromised that. India should ashamed them self and Russian give access to every single high tech to you guys and that is how you repay them. Bear is angry now and lets see how it react.

Now India will again ask Russia for ToT on their 5th generation fighter jet program.

Why do you think Russia is so reluctant to give any ToT there. Who says India won't just turn around and hand all the information to the Americans?

They Leaked the french submarine secrets to third party
They let Americans spy on Russian Nuclear submarine

Then the damaged the Russian Submarine on purpose so Russia won't take the submarine back for breaking lease laws to steal more technology

Russia has accused India of committing an “unfriendly act” by granting the US officials access to the Russian nuclear submarine of Project 971I, operated by the Indian Navy since 2011.

According to Russian newpaper Kommersant, the appearance of technical specialists of the US Navy on board Chakra nuclear submarine has threatened to seriously complicate “negotiations both on the lease of the second nuclear submarine”, in addition to other projects in the field of military-technical cooperation between the two countries.

Kommersant’s source working in the military technical cooperation system, called the fact that the US Navy appeared on a Russian submarine located on the base near Vishakhapatnam, outrageous. "There were well-trained technical specialists, though unlikely to get any information," the source said.

According to the report, specialized Russian structures are preparing countermeasures against their Indian partners. "Very difficult conversations are on the horizon, we have a lot of questions," a source said.

The report noted that Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, who intends to come to India in December with one of the largest deals on Russian arms, will have to discuss the problems accumulated due to this. In addition, he must negotiate the creation of a fifth-generation fighter under an agreement which was signed back in 2007.

Currently, the Indian Navy operates the “Chakra” submarine, built in Russia based on the 971 “Shchuka-B” project. The agreement to lease the ship was signed in 2004, and is worth about $980 million (with the initial price being set at $650 million).

Russians are furious. Here is a take from influential Russian daily.

Chakra opened to the wrong side [United States]
Moscow wants to know who [from US] and why it [US] entered its submarine in India

Between Russia and India, an unprecedented scandal broke out: Moscow suspected Delhi of admitting US Navy representatives to the Russian nuclear submarine of Project 971I, which since 2011 under the name Chakra is operated by the Indian Navy. The incident threatens to seriously complicate the negotiations both on the lease of the second nuclear submarine, and on other projects in the field of military-technical cooperation (MTC). Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, who intends to come to India in December, will have to resolve the accumulated problems with one of the largest purchasers of Russian arms.

India will find itself sandwiched between two powers for all the wrong reasons.
Just like how European trading went runaway when the Maharajas tried to play balancing act between French and British East India CO.

India deserves this.

On one hand it calls itself the patron saint of democracy, freedom, corruption-free, military self reliance and women's rights

But reality is always the other side.

Russia needs to punish India by taking india's military deposits for new equipment and writing them off

Typical cunning back-stabbing Indians. They did that to China in 1962, but PLA is too strong for them

Indians are not trustworthy. I would be against putting a f-16 assembly line in India or sell them top notch weapons. Besides known for rape and defamation, Indians are also known for being duplicitous.

Now we know why Indian Navy crashed into Russian Navy during their joint exercises. Modi backstabbed Putin and now everybody sees India's true nature!

Russians are seasoned chess players!!! They will provide staffs especially made for India....

Well the mantra of "moo par ram ram baghaal may chooree".... Means it's Russia's turn to get the knife in the back by the Hindutva nation.

An unprecedented scandal is unfolding between Russia and India, with Moscow suspecting that New Delhi granted US Navy personnel access to INS ‘Chakra’, a Russian nuclear-powdered attack submarine operated by the Indian Navy since 2011.

The incident threatens to jeopardize talks on the lease of a second nuclear submarine, and on other projects in the field of military cooperation between the two countries, Russia’s Kommersant daily said on Wednesday.

Several sources in the Russian state agencies told the newspaper that their Indian partners had recently committed several “unfriendly acts towards Russia.” First, a US Navy delegation had visited the aircraft carrier ‘Vikramaditya’ (property of the Indian Navy), with Russian officials forced to issue a note of protest. Sometime later, a US delegation came aboard the ‘Chakra’, according to a high-ranking military source.

The source, working in the military cooperation system, called the fact that the US Navy personnel had paid a visit to a Russian submarine outrageous. The sub is stationed on the base near ‘Vishakhapatnam’, pending repairs.

“There were well-trained technical specialists among them, so they got hold of some of the information anyway,” the source said, adding that this “string of incidents” may have a negative impact on defense cooperation between the two countries, which has been successfully developing over the past five years.

The Indian Navy commissioned the ‘Chakra’ (originally called the ‘Nerpa’) in 2012, and paid around $1 billion to lease the submarine for a 10-year period, according to Indian Defense News.

India remained the world’s biggest arms importer over the past five years, SIPRI said in February. Russia has been the main arms supplier to both China and India.

Moscow is now reportedly preparing retaliatory measures against its Indian partners, the sources say, also referring to “a lot of questions”and “difficult talks” ahead. The incident could affect negotiations on leasing the second nuclear submarine which the Indian Navy planned to obtain from Russia.

Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, who is due to visit India next month, has reportedly been tasked with sorting out the ‘Chakra’ issue. He is also set to negotiate the creation of a fifth-generation fighter jet under an agreement signed back in 2007, which so far has seen neither the aircraft’s concept nor its financial parameters developed.

Damn it, not even a shred of honour in these Indians, they literally backstabbed thier longest standing ally, that aircraft carrier incident is one thing but letting a delegation visit a nuke sub is going way over the line, no way in hell Russia will ever sell s 400 to India after this, its nit about dollars now, its about thier own national security. No Russian high end strategic or conventional weapon will ever find its way to India after this, Modi is one stupid dude....pure display of backstabbing hindu chankiya doctrine...

i belive that From time to time Russia always prove a realiable partner but USA is not.

I was refrain to comment on other post but now since RT is reporting it, it does sound legit and frankly quite damning for Indian navy.

TBH its Russians own stupidity. They should have kept strict control regimes in place. Just like Pakistan F-16 block 52s are kept away from Chinese due to American demands.

The influential Russian daily Kommersant reported today on an intriguing development with ominous overtones for long-term India-Russia defence cooperation. It seems that Indian authorities gave access to a US Navy delegation of “well-trained technical specialists” to enter the top secret Russian nuclear submarine under the rubric “Project 9711″, which is on lease to Indian Navy within the framework of the so-called “special and privileged strategic partnership” between the two countries.

Apparently, the incident took place when the submarine was docked at the naval base at Vishakhapatanam while undergoing repairs. (The Indian Navy has christened the super secret Russian nuclear submarine as ‘Chakra’.) The Russian daily reported that this has been the second such serious breach of confidentiality that traditionally existed between Russia and India in defence cooperation with regard to the sharing of military technology with third parties.

In an earlier incident, a US Navy team was apparently allowed to visit the Russian-built aircraft carrier with the Indian Navy, Vikramaditya. Upon knowing about the security breach, the Russian side lodged a protest with the Indians. Obviously, that had no effect, as the latest incident involving the nuclear submarine suggests.
Unnamed Russian officials have described the Indian behavior as “outrageous.” According to Kommersant, the incident threatens to “seriously complicate negotiations both on the lease of the second nuclear submarine, and on other projects” in the field of military-technical cooperation between the two countries.

Given the high likelihood – nay, virtual certainty – that the Kommersant report is based on official Russian briefing, this must be taken as a warning from Moscow. Without going into details, Kommersant quoted Russian officials as pointing out that the incident involving the nuclear submarine is of a piece with several recent “unfriendly acts towards Russia” by the concerned Indian authorities.

Russia is reporting it , the submarine is not operational since August , when Russia asked for return of sub , Indian authorities slammed the sub into docks so it will remain unmovable giving them maximum time to duplicate or copy

Reference : Nuclear Sub damaged by Indi

So basically what you are trying to say sir is that it is part of the Russian government's propaganda. Well in that case this should be even more alarming for the Indians, don't you think.

If Russia gives India their latest 5th generation tech, they know the Indians will let the Americans see it.

If America gives India their latest 5th generation tech, they know the Indians will let the Russians see it.

Loyalty to everyone is the same as loyalty to no one.

Why do you try to convince a ZZ?

An unprecedented scandal is unfolding between Russia and India, with Moscow suspecting that New Delhi granted US Navy personnel access to INS ‘Chakra’, a Russian nuclear-powdered attack submarine operated by the Indian Navy since 2011.

indian nari is doing everything to please her new suitor.

RT is a pretty credible source. The nerve of some Indians

I mean seriously it's a no brainer right. India is a two face snake, they will betray Russia to please their new papa.
Russia's natural ally is China not India.

Putin will not be happy

Its mashter

It‘s an elephant move...

Typical indian crying wolf wolf, dude, if its fake, prove it. This news is from RT, if you know what RT is[emoji23]

No!!! it is not at all.
How can you even compare two things? ..
(1) india got that submarine leased and agreed to the term and conditions of the lease while (2) US chopper violated Pakistan's airspace and obviously Pakistan had not signed any agreement on that, it was shot down by Pakistan and it is a war booty so Pakistan can do whatever it wants to do.

Furthermore what evidence you have that Pakistan shared that with China? and if the former did let Chinese study, it was an excellent decision and I totally second it.

Pakistan used the Technology of Tomahawk missiles crash landed in Pakistan territory to create their Babur missiles, that is not the same is giving access to a certain technology which in on lease .. and Pakistan operate F-16 blk 52 for years and still no Chinese ever got near them .

First they dinged the sub and now they allowed Russia’s nemesis into it.

didn't indian lacy nuclear sub blue print get leaked last year.

Indian armed forces literally the laughing stock of the world

Oh yes what we returned to US within few days (2-3) was a replica made by Chinese....

I know idiocy has no limit

Hmm is this Indian logic?

The US chopper illegally entered Pakistan's airspace, and no agreement was signed.

With the Russian nuclear submarine they had a signed agreement.

The comparison is absolutely ludicrous, and you saying that Pakistan's actions were worse is just beyond ridiculous.

Such a ludicrous post deserves some negative ratings. Everybody is entitled to own opinion but not own facts.

Russia doesn't deserve it!!!! After what USSR had done for India - worked as the prime mover in India's quest to take "revenge for 1000 years of Muslim rule" and in turn destroying herself - is this Russia's reward????

What will this do to the s400 deal i wonder, no way russia is letting indians get thier greedy paws on s 400 after this cause leakage of s400 tech to Us will potentially threaten the national security of russia itself...

I actually now feel sorry for you! always bringing up the same worthless argument about a crashed helicopter. If F35 crashed in Pakistan then believe me Pakistan will have a butchers at the wreckage and there nothing you, your worthless rants about a helicopter tail or the Yanks will be able to do anything.

The yanks don't give a monkey and moved on, yet you have a thrill about a helicopter tail.

Unfortunately for the Russians they are unable to do anything about it.... despite oil and gas prices raising Russia remains bankrupt and must suffer the kind of ally India is. One assumes they had forecasted this and have taken counter measures to preventing or minimising leak.

Fake News

A top Russian official has labelled the recent reports of a US Navy team visiting Russian made N-Sub INS Chakra as False:

The Chairman of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSMTC) of Russia, Dmitry Shugaev, said that information about admission of specialists from the United States to the Russian-made submarine Chakra in India is a lie. "We will by no means be succumbed to these provocations," Mr. Shugayev said on the air of the Rossiya 24 television channel.

The media reports that the representatives of the US naval forces allegedly visited the nuclear submarine Chakra-2, which Russia transferred to India in leasing, are untrue and are "thrown in". This was stated by Dmitry Shugaev, head of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSMTC) of Russia.

Indian Navy also described the reports as False:

https://twitter.com/x/status/928910473789140993

 

[HRK]

Fake News

A top Russian official has labelled the recent reports of a US Navy team visiting Russian made N-Sub INS Chakra as False:

Indian Navy also described the reports as False:

https://twitter.com/x/status/928910473789140993

how is this news related to my post ...?? (quoted under)

Oh yes what we returned to US within few days (2-3) was a replica made by Chinese....

I know idiocy has no limit

 

[Sully3]

Fake News

A top Russian official has labelled the recent reports of a US Navy team visiting Russian made N-Sub INS Chakra as False:






Indian Navy also described the reports as False:

https://twitter.com/x/status/928910473789140993

why have you quoted half of PDF in your nonsense post.

request to indian members please be computer literate before you come on our forums sprouting your BS.

 

[Path-Finder]

@waz bakht disease needs a cure!

 

[wiseone2]

Chakra is Russian submarine with older technology. Plus Americans know most of what needs to be known

 

[atya]

Chakra is Russian submarine with older technology. Plus Americans know most of what needs to be known

That still doesn't mean that you backstab your all weather friend to please your new master.

 

[hussain0216]

They are trying to cover up

The Russians know india is not to be trusted now

 

[Chhatrapati]

They are trying to cover up

The Russians know india is not to be trusted now

That's a wonderful insight.

Meanwhile the russians will lease their second nuclear sub by year end I assume.

 

[hussain0216]

That's a wonderful insight.

Meanwhile the russians will lease their second nuclear sub by year end I assume.

Is this because you crashed the first one?

 

[Chhatrapati]

Is this because you crashed the first one?

No because we want more and we have $$.

 

[hussain0216]

No because we want more and we have $$.

You have millions in poverty and you keep having to buy new subs because you keep crashing the old ones.

This is not a good defence procurement plan!