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I don't see it as a threat. He was simply warning the west not to by hypocritical when it comes to free speech, or consequences could be expected from the 2bn Muslims.

that again sounds like a threat.

If Muslims have problem, go and protest. Or write articles about it. Ok?

Don't act like terrorist or blow bombs or kill people. Don't tell Quran asks to give death penalth to those who defame Mohamed, and silly things like these.

Forget cartoons, let's say someone actually insults Mohamed, you still have no right to do terrorist acts/blow bombs/kill that person.

And if you kill someone EVEN for actually insulting Mohamed, then it still is a terrorist act. Simply put a religion of peace does not/ will not ever require or allow or ask is followers to kill someone even if that individual has in REALITY INSULTED Mohamed. The only option is to criticize and move on.
 
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Now its two billions lol...and you know what? Freedom needs an enemy to be fressh. two billion barbarians won´t change out freedom.
I was merely quoting what Abbasi said :P No need to get worked up about it. You seem to misunderstand the concept of the freedom being discussed here. If you want to bring an enemy into the equation, that can be the people who refuse the Freedom of Speech and Opinion to others. He was referring to the double standards when it comes to "Freedom of Speech."
 
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Why aren't people reading the ending, which could've been phrased better, in the context of what he said earlier on ? How come it can be a threat when hes clearly saying that those who did this were misguided, are falsely representing Islam and that no individual has the right to kill another ?

I think it is quite plain that hes trying to say that in his opinion if, what he thinks is, duplicity continues on, some other misguided Muslim is going to falsely kill in the name of Islam inspite of the fact that Islam doesn't allow anyone to kill another human being like this; one has to have his head checked it they think that hes handing out threats.
 
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Why aren't people reading the ending, which could've been phrased better, in the context of what he said earlier on ? How come it can be a threat when hes clearly saying that those who did this were misguided, are falsely representing Islam and that no individual has the right to kill another ?

I think it is quite plain that hes trying to say that in his opinion if, what he thinks is, duplicity continues on, some other misguided Muslim is going to falsely kill in the name of Islam inspite of the fact that Islam doesn't allow anyone to kill another human being like this; one has to have his head checked it they think that hes handing out threats.

Check your FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION or some nuts out of the 2 billions will do something barbaric.

What does that mean to you?

To me it sounds like, "Please don't do anything that might hurt the lunatics feelings. Please be afraid of lunatics."

How is it justified to be afraid of lunatics (those who dont represent Islam). Are you suggesting that whole world should be afraid of few thugs in the 2 billions?
 
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that again sounds like a threat.

If Muslims have problem, go and protest. Or write articles about it. Ok?

Don't act like terrorist or blow bombs or kill people. Don't tell Quran asks to give death penalth to those who defame Mohamed, and silly things like these.

Forget cartoons, let's say someone actually insults Mohamed, you still have no right to do terrorist acts/blow bombs/kill that person.
1- God says: "And it has already been revealed to you in the Book (this Qur'an) that when you hear the Verses of Allah being denied and mocked at, then sit not with them, until they engage in a talk other than that" Surat "An-Nisa'" verse no. 140 This verse says that if you are sitting with a group of people who disbelieve in what God says and make fun of it, just leave the place and leave them! he didn't say clash verbally with them, or defend or get a weapon and kill them, he just said show your objection just by leaving the place. Besides, he even didn't say leave them forever, he just said leave them till they stop mocking God words, and then you can come back and sit with them although you know they make fun of your religion, as there are many other common things between you in life. And here the verse encourages the rationality and the separation between religious conflicts and the diversity of relationships between humans.

2- God says: "And have patience with what they say, and leave them with noble" Surat "Al-Muzzammil" verse no.10 This verse says that you should be patient with their annoyance and insulting. Rather, what you should do is to keep away from them gracefully. Meaning, you should not show any trace of grief or anger.

3- God says: " (Allah has knowledge) of the (Prophet's) cry, "O my Lord! truly these are a people who will not believe! Surat "Az-Zukhruf" verse no.88 " But turn away from them, and say "Peace!" but soon shall they know!" Surat "Az-Zukhruf" verse no.89 Besides the fact that the Qur'an legislated abundance with nobleness, Placed adjacent to this, it legislated forgiveness "say peace" Say the words which encourages peace and renounce violence. Violence even if it forces obedience it does not open hearts. And weapons even if it kills people it does not kill faith. Islam religion requires in the basis of belief : the conviction, freedom, thinking and contemplation in the universe which imprints manifestation of God. All of which does not flourish unless there is a safe country and a society that elevates forgiveness, peace and quiet life values.

4- God says:" And if they deny you, [O Muhammad], then say, "For me are my deeds, and for you are your deeds. You are disassociated from what I do, and I am disassociated from what you do." Surat "Yunus" verse no.41 Islam is the religion of reason and ethics; Were they not to answer the call of Allah, you should express your abhorrence towards their ideas and behavior. as the verse continues saying: “…You are disassociated from what I do, and I am disassociated from what you do’.”

5- Hypocrites mocked the Prophet Mohammad, and the Qur'an proved it, but it has never been proven in the Qur'an and all the history books that the Prophet killed one of them .. God says: "The Hypocrites are afraid lest a Sura should be sent down about them, showing them what is (really passing) in their hearts. Say: "Mock [as you wish]; indeed, Allah will expose that which you fear." Surat Al-Tawbah verse no. 64 "And if you ask them, they will surely say, "We were only conversing and playing." Say, "Is it Allah and His verses and His Messenger that you were mocking?" Surat Al-Tawbah verse no. 65 Clear from the words of the verse they mocked God and the Prophet. But the verse did not mention any worldly penalty on it. The Prophet did not order their punishment. Although they represent a nuisance and internal disorder, because the Prophet held political responsibility beside his religious role, which gave him broad powers in the punishment of those to the stability of life. But it was clear that freedom of criticism in the city of the prophet was so high to the extent that it reached him.

And when someone told the prophet we should kill Abdullah Ibn Abi, the leader of the hypocrites, the Prophet said: I am afraid that people speak that Muhammad kills his companions " The reputation of Islam were first kept at higher priority than the revenge from the enemy of God. Although Ibn Abi came threatened Muslims and put their life in danger and he was declaring hostility to the Prophet openly. so does Islam wins by murder!!

6- When Jews passed by the prophet and said poison be upon you (wishing him death), he knowing that they were mocking and making fun of him, answered "and upon you". His wife Aisha answered defeating him and said death and curse upon you, so the prophet stopped her and told her " O Aisha beware of violence beware of obscenity and have patience" , she didn't use weapon, she just used words, but he rejected answering with impudence like them.

7- Moreover, a Jewish woman put poison in the prophet food, when they arrested her, he talked with her a little bit and then let her go .. even though she deserved the highest penalty in the laws of the modern state .. and she did not hurt the Prophet verbally, but almost killed him .. The result is that he surpassed revenge and chose forgiveness.
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^I guess that pretty much covers any misunderstanding of the Holy Quran and Freedom of speech with relation to Islam.

I agree with most of what you said. Nobody has the right to kill any innocent person. It's unjust, as Abbasi said if you read the very last word of the post. The fact of the matter is, he was merely warning of the inevitable. If you deny somebody's rights, you will eventually get a reaction. He wasn't threatening anyone, but was merely advising Facebook to remove their double-standards.
 
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All those who find FaceBook not being fair for freedom of expression should vote with their mouse clicks and LEAVE. A loss of hundreds of millions of Muslim members due to the offence being caused will be a potent stimulus for FaceBook to change its policies.

(Or may be most Muslims are okay with the present policies? :D )
 
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Facebook removes Hamza Ali Abbasi's post on 'freedom of expression'
By Web Desk
Published: January 11, 2015
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“Yes, even my blood boils when someone insults my Prophet (pbuh) …. But that does not give individuals the right to kill,” says Hamza Ali Abbasi. PHOTO: HAMZA ALI ABBASI FACEBOOK PAGE

Just days after Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg said that he would not cow down to extremists and curb speech on the site, the social media network on Sunday apparently blocked a post by actor Hamza Ali Abbasi regarding Charlie Hebdo and limits of free speech.

On Sunday evening, Abbasi posted on his verified Facebook page, with 1.6 million fans, that the social media website had removed his post and warned him after deactivating his profile.

According to a screenshot of the removed post that Abbasi uploaded, Facebook said they had removed it since it violated its community standards. It was not clear under which aspects of the community standards was the post removed.

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Abbasi, a former civil service trainee, tried to explain in the post under which circumstances executions are permitted in Islamic law and who can carry them out. He goes on to explain that despite the nature of some of the cartoons printed by publications such as Charlie Hebdo, which have caused riots in Pakistan before, it did not give anyone the right to commit murder.

“Yes, even my blood boils when someone insults my Prophet (pbuh) …. But that does not give individuals the right to kill.”

He went on to argue that while freedom of speech should “include criticism, disagreement or even rejection of faiths or ideology… but should not and must not allow “insult”.”

Abbasi urged the West to revisit and fix its definition of ‘freedom of speech,’ adding that failure to do so would result in someone from the vast comity of Muslims may go “ballistic and kill unjustly.”

The actor is quite vocal on social media and regularly shares his opinions on issues with his fans.
FB is full of bias or double standards. That is why I have closed my FB account longtime ago.These people allow you to celebrate draw prophet's day but bans anything said against their version.I can't imagine to give these people a single dollar benefit by clicking on their pathetic blue website.
Regards
 
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FB is full of bias or double standards. That us why I have closed my FB account longtime ago.These people allow you to celebrate draw prophet's day but bans anything said against their version.I can't imagine to give these people a single dollar benefit by clicking on their pathetic blue website.
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Okay, that is one account lost. How many more will follow?
 
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I agree with most of what you said. Nobody has the right to kill any innocent person. It's unjust, as Abbasi said if you read the very last word of the post. The fact of the matter is, he was merely warning of the inevitable. If you deny somebody's rights, you will eventually get a reaction. He wasn't threatening anyone, but was merely advising Facebook to remove their double-standards.

Warning against what? More attacks? More bombs? And that is a justified reaction? right?

and so the writer suggests that the best way is to be afraid of those crazy Islamist terrorists and that whole world should be afraid of those thugs? Wow now everyone in world has to be afraid about the terrorist Islamists before writing or speaking anything.

What a great suggestion from Addasi, "Don't speak or write anything which the terrorist don't want, or the terrorists will kill you."
 
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That could mean something to me if he actually did say it !

He didn't; not by a long shot.

Abbasi urged the West to revisit and fix its definition of ‘freedom of speech,’ adding that failure to do so would result in someone from the vast comity of Muslims may go “ballistic and kill unjustly.”

So in your opinion what does it mean, "some of the Muslims may go Ballistic and kill unjustly" ??

So now Going Ballistic and Killing unjustly is not barbaric?? To me going Ballistic and killing unjustly includes things like blowing bombs, killing innocents, kidnappings, hostage taking, and 9/11, 26/11, Peshawar attack, and all such barbaric acts. So how does going Ballistic and Killing unjustly not barbaric??
 
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