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F-35 overwhelming superiority over Rafale and Eurofighter in Atlantic Trident

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The F-35A's overwhelming superiority has been recorded in some of the most epic air combat in NATO history when the USAF fighter met for the Atlantic Trident (April 12-18), French Rafale fighters and British Eurofighter Typhoon , some results from which they began to leak.
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The F-22 fighters of the USAF also participated in the exercise.

The score was overwhelmingly in favor of US fighters, of course, the 5th generation, but the issue for the Greek side is not how the European fighters behaved against the F-22, but against the F-35, as in six months "tired" Mirage 2000 and F-16 third generation, PA will have to face the Turkish F-35A.


Rafale and Eurofighter were destroyed by AIM-120 long before they realized there was an enemy in the shooting position.

The APG-81, the F-35 radar tracking track at distances over 230 km and locking distances of 150 km and firing at the AIM-120 firing range with the Anglo-English fighters, literally did not know "where they came from "!

They never reached distances of less than 30 km and when the English-style fighters did it, they were all destroyed!

All of this from an aircraft that was not designed as an airborne aircraft against aircraft designed as airborne aircraft (let's say Air fighting was emphasized in Rafale), but it has now shown that the 4th of the 5th generation gap is real, as it is not just the stealth features, it is also the electronic systems that give the overwhelming avant-garde.

It was impressed that neither Eurofighter's IRST system was useful, as the F-35's shots were out of range.
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In the exercises, F-15E fighters took part with the Red forces and they had the same luck.

The question then is how do some people in Greece consider spending an enormous amount (1 billion initially and up to 3 billion dollars later) to upgrade old F-16s that, because they will acquire AESA radar, will be able to articulate "Dissuasive" reason against the hordes of the Turkish F-35!

When the senior Rafale and Eurofighter are presumed to "eat wildwood" from the USAF fighters, which even - and this has its significance - do not even have a complete flight envelope, as it is believed that the fighter is still evolving!

https://patratora.gr/archives/213112
 
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Pure imagination and OFC propaganda.

Atlantic Trident is meant to prepare the 3 AFs
to face the rest of the gang worldwide.

If the results were so dire, the interest of the trio
would be to hide it instead? Plus, the present day
F-35 is a couple years away from FOC block.

One more clue to those lacking them :
Why only in a Greek blog? The Greeks were not
present? Were did that knowledge come from?

I'm sorry Moonlight but that is 100% drivel.
It may be true now or one day that the F-35 will
rule the skies but that is no proof to the actual fact.

Have a great day, Tay.
 
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Politically motivated amateurish article.. they just forgot that both the Rafale as well as the Typhoon have missile warning receivers that can detect missiles aimed at them, regardless of the distance or from where; sea, land or air..
 
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Someone from F 35 has given truck load money to this guy for writing such an article. F 35 is good but the writer also forgot that Rafales also have AESA radar and can lock the F 35.
 
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I'm not sure the money is at play here, SC & Dash.

What may have motivated the author IMHoO is the
fact that Greece is getting upgrade kits for its F-16s
that will move them up to V ( viper ) block level.

The USA are providing those to balance Turkey's huh
change in direction and heart regarding the West and
NATO under Erdogan.

But Turkey as a main partner of the program is getting
the Lightning II with a maintenance center/part prod.

So Greece, bankrupt as it is, needs to sing the praises
of the Lock-Mart fighter even if it is far from ready in
the hopes of getting a few for free or at least dirt cheap.

It is likely to be a move to prepare the population for a
buy as well.

Have a great day both, Tay.
 
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Rafales also have AESA radar and can lock the F 35.
Just because it has AESA doesn't mean it can detect and lock the F-35 from a meaningful distance. AESA isn't some magical solution. Rafale radar is among the smallest between the Eurocard and much smaller than APG-81. F-15E can't detect F-35 even though, it is likely the fighter with the most powerful radar at the moment
 
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Power and efficiency are not always synonymous.
A wiser, more subtle system can beat pure force.
More modern system can be more efficient and powerful than an old system that has similar size or a bit bigger. But technology has its limit, even the newest F-16's AESA radar such as APG-80 or APG-83 still have much shorter range than Mig-31's PESA radar aka Zaslon-M. Because Zaslon-M is considerably larger, it makes up for the less efficient of PESA vs AESA.
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Furthermore, there is no evidence that RBE-2 can be more efficient/wiser than APG-82v1 /APG-63v3. They are both AESA radar, there is no generation gap like APG-80 versus Zaslon-M, if we count the number of AESA radars that US operates, it hard to denied that they are one of the most if not the most experience in the field. So it is more likely that F-15 radar is more modern. Physics also favor bigger radar immensely, in this case, bigger will go with more efficient because power can concentrate better.
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Furthermore, there is no evidence that RBE-2 can be more efficient/wiser than APG-82v1 /APG-63v3. They are both AESA radar, there is no generation gap like APG-80 versus Zaslon-M, if we count the number of AESA radars that US operates, it hard to denied that they are one of the most if not the most experience in the field. So it is more likely that F-15 radar is more modern. Physics also favor bigger radar immensely, in this case, bigger will go with more efficient because power can concentrate better.

I wasn't offering evidence but outlining an assumption.
In materials, not much but in mathematical treatment?
That could favour one or another; we can't guess that.

Yes physics of emissions favour the bigger ISO-radar ...
but physics of dimensions favour the smaller aircraft ...

I think I'll have to spring for a post on radar tactics soon
because people use simple scales for what are unknowns.


Have a great day ma'am, Tay.
 
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Just because it has AESA doesn't mean it can detect and lock the F-35 from a meaningful distance. AESA isn't some magical solution. Rafale radar is among the smallest between the Eurocard and much smaller than APG-81. F-15E can't detect F-35 even though, it is likely the fighter with the most powerful radar at the moment

No disagreements there. But having smaller doesn’t mean it’s impossible to detect F 35 before being detected first. My observation was theoretical without technicalities. Btw @Taygibay has a raptor locked in case you didn’t notice? And it was a Rafale he used!!
 
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A controlled environment that was defined by the Raptor's
handlers and users so the point is kinda moot. Besides the
F-22 in such a perfect setting almost overran the Rafale ...
but not quite and thus showed it wasn't invincible per say.

Just note A- that the others didn't dogfight and B- that the
volatile paper in the OP was about the F-35 which, being at
present incomplete, cannot claim to be more than an F-22
as L-M and propaganda pretend something that I personally
don't buy in the long run anyway unless that long term is a decade++.

No physical object is invisible and if the Rafale is omnirole, at
least we don't pretend it is omnipotent ( a quality of God only ).

Maybe we lack the gall to do so despite our reputation ( gallic )
and they don't? Still reality always trumps pretenses.

Guten Abend Kerl, Tay.
 
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