F-22P 3,000 tonne concept.

[Myth_buster_1]

Medium Air-defence frigate with 12x2 HHQ-9 (FT-2000)
In addition to 4x2 AShM, 2x2 AShCM.
New RAM FL-3000N replacing FM-90
The new Frigate should have european armament, radar and other sensors along with chinese.

 

[metalfalcon]

LOOKS Nice.

 

[TOPGUN]

Good stuff!!

 

[Quwa]

I doubt you'd be able to fit HH-9 on that ship...at best 32-cell HH-16.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

I doubt you'd be able to fit HH-9 on that ship...at best 32-cell HH-16.

care to elaborate why wouldnt it be able to support hhq-9?

 

[Super Falcon]

i pray that our navy should install some crusie missiles on them any way what type of anti ship,anti submarine,and anti air craft missiles to be installed on them

as far as anti aircarft misssile i think should put some sea sparrow on them

 

[Quwa]

care to elaborate why wouldnt it be able to support hhq-9?

Sure,

First find me a 3000 tonne vessel that supports a long-range SAM, any...Aster-30, SM2 or HH-9. The reason why you will not find one is because in addition the SAM, you also need a proper support system that consists of long-range radars, sensors, battle-management, etc. You will know of a concept called "Aegis" which essentially covers much of what I mentioned.

Clearly from the images you posted, the F-22P is still using the same radar and sensor systems. If you somehow manage to install the VLS system for HH-9, you're not going to make effective or even meaningful use of the missile.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Sure,

First find me a 3000 tonne vessel that supports a long-range SAM, any...Aster-30, SM2 or HH-9.

Oh come on, you can not just rule out the possibility base on this anology! infact you will hardly find new 2400T frigates let alone a air defence frigate in 3,000t class, but however the possibility always exists.

Clearly from the images you posted, the F-22P is still using the same radar and sensor systems. If you somehow manage to install the VLS system for HH-9, you're not going to make effective or even meaningful use of the missile.

For god sake. its just a PS image which illustrates the possiblity of long range SAM in extended Hull design. Its pretty obvious that you need all the necessary systems inorder to have long range SAM operational onbord the frigate. and ofcourse their should be more modifications on new F-22P.
I would like to know what Pshamim thinks about this concept.

I will not emphasise on only HHQ-9, i am just in favor of long range SAM on board the frigate be it MICA, or any other advace medium/long range SAM.

 

[Quwa]

Oh come on, you can not just rule out the possibility base on this anology! infact you will hardly find new 2400T frigates let alone a air defence frigate in 3,000t class, but however the possibility always exists.



For god sake. its just a PS image which illustrates the possiblity of long range SAM in extended Hull design. Its pretty obvious that you need all the necessary systems inorder to have long range SAM operational onbord the frigate. and ofcourse their should be more modifications on new F-22P.
I would like to know what Pshamim thinks about this concept.

I will not emphasise on only HHQ-9, i am just in favor of long range SAM on board the frigate be it MICA, or any other advace medium/long range SAM.

VL-MICA & Umkhonto are short-range SAMs, and you could probably fit those particular VLS on the current F-22Ps. Aster-15, ESSM and HH-16 are medium-range SAMs, and you could fit them on a 3000 tonne platform. Long-range SAMs is pushing it, especially when PN may be looking for heavier frigates/destroyers of 4500 or 5000+ tonne displacement.

 

[Penguin]

Sure,

First find me a 3000 tonne vessel that supports a long-range SAM, any...Aster-30, SM2 or HH-9.

Closest competitors for this slot.

In third place: Spanish Baleares class frigate (variation of US Knox class frigate)
Displacement: 3015 tons (standard), 4177 tons (full load)
1 Mk13 Standard SAM launcher (16 Missiles)

In second place: Dutch Jacob van Heemskerck class L-frigate (variation of Dutch Kortenaer class S-frigate)
Displacement: 3000 tons standard (3,750 tons full load)
RIM-66 Standard SAM from a Mk13 Guided Missile Launch System (40 missiles total) plus RIM-7 NATO Sea Sparrow SAM from a Mk29 Guided Missile Launch System (8 missile in the launcher and 16 in the magazine)

And the winner is: US Brooke class frigate (variation of US Garcia class frigate)
Displacement: 2,640 tons std 3,426 tons full
Mk 22 RIM-24 Tartar/RIM-66 Standard missile launcher (16 missiles)

Below is an interesting Kortenaer class variation (with Mk13 for SM1), proposed for Imperial navy of Iran (under the Shah): several (8?) ordered but cancelled, which would have accompanied the Spruance class variation for Iran that later became the 4 ship Kidd class. More info here

 

[Quwa]

Closest competitors for this slot.

In third place: Spanish Baleares class frigate (variation of US Knox class frigate)
Displacement: 3015 tons (standard), 4177 tons (full load)
1 Mk13 Standard SAM launcher (16 Missiles)

In second place: Dutch Jacob van Heemskerck class L-frigate (variation of Dutch Kortenaer class S-frigate)
Displacement: 3000 tons standard (3,750 tons full load)
RIM-66 Standard SAM from a Mk13 Guided Missile Launch System (40 missiles total) plus RIM-7 NATO Sea Sparrow SAM from a Mk29 Guided Missile Launch System (8 missile in the launcher and 16 in the magazine)

And the winner is: US Brooke class frigate (variation of US Garcia class frigate)
Displacement: 2,640 tons std 3,426 tons full
Mk 22 RIM-24 Tartar/RIM-66 Standard missile launcher (16 missiles)

Below is an interesting Kortenaer class variation (with Mk13 for SM1), proposed for Imperial navy of Iran (under the Shah): several (8?) ordered but cancelled, which would have accompanied the Spruance class variation for Iran that later became the 4 ship Kidd class. More info here

They all use SM1, and none of them use VLS.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

They all use SM1, and none of them use VLS.

you previously said

First find me a 3000 tonne vessel that supports a long-range SAM, any

BTW I still support the idea of 3000 tonne Air defence frigate with HHQ-9 "FT-2000" to take out IN P-8.

 

[Quwa]

you previously said



please make sure your posts are not confusing.

I still support the idea of 3000 tonne Air defence frigate with HHQ-9 "FT-2000" to take out IN P-8.

My bad.

 

[Penguin]

They all use SM1, and none of them use VLS.

Clearly, but as the example of the Australian Adelaide (mod OHP) class shows, that single rail MK-13 can fire SM-2MR missiles. The Mk-22 guided missile launching system - GMLS - is a variation of the Mk-13 launcher that has only the inner 16 round storage ring of the Mk-13 launcher. I see no reason it can't fires the same missiles. Respective Mk13/22 system weights are 61.1 ton and 41.9 ton. Deck penetration about 5.5m and 6.2m. Diameter about 4.5m and 3.2m.

SM2 will fit the mk41 tactical vlu (shortest), which also takes SeaSparrow, ESSM and Asroc. This also penetrates around 6-6.5m. Single module weighs 14 tons empty and 25 tons with a load of 8 SM2. On the Mk22 footprint, you should be able to place 2 Mk41 units and on the Mk13 footprint at least 3.

 

[wangrong]

F22P 730