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NEWTOWN, Conn. | The Lockheed Martin F-16 has been continually upgraded since production began decades ago, and the latest Block 50/52 and Block 60/E/F variants remain highly capable and affordable multirole fighters.

Lockheed Martin received an order from Morocco at the end of 2007, snatching the 24-aircraft order away from Dassault's Rafale in a last minute effort. Lockheed Martin is able to be aggressive on pricing the F-16, and as in prior years the purchase of F-16s is one way of increasing a nation’s ties with the American defense establishment.

Other recent customers include Turkey, which executed a Letter of Offer and Acceptance for 30 aircraft during 2007 (consisting of 14 single-seat C models and 16 two-seat Ds). The Turkish aircraft will be assembled and delivered by TUSAS beginning in 2011. The new aircraft will replace about half the TuAF's elderly F-4 fleet in the near term as the service waits for the new Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II to arrive on the scene.

Greece ordered 30-unit Block 52+ F-16s in December 2005, but the Greek government later announced that it would not be exercising a 10-aircraft option under the deal and would be looking elsewhere to fill an ongoing requirement for another 30 fighters.

The Pakistani Air Force has ordered 18 new fighters through the Pentagon's Foreign Military Sales program at the end of 2007. The order is part of a bigger deal to upgrade the PAF's existing fleet of A/B model F-16s. Pakistan took an option to purchase an additional 18 fighters under the deal. Pakistan may exercise these options, but funding the purchase will be difficult at the same time the PAF is purchasing large numbers of Chengdu FC-1s. Ongoing political turmoil in the country could also cause further deliveries of F-16s to be blocked by the U.S. government.

Israel noted back in mid-2005 that it was considering additional purchases F-16 fighters if the F-35 program were to suffer further delays. Israel has also made noises about cutting its requirement for F-35s than expected.

Taiwan has long been expected to order 66 F-16s as part of an effort to recapitalize a portion of its fighter fleet, but domestic political wrangling has held up the process, along with the Bush administration's seeming ambivalence to the deal. Washington is currently looking to China to cooperate on a number of security issues, including efforts to end the nuclear threat posed by North Korea. The Taiwanese Air Force's plan to order 66 new F-16s will likely never reach fruition.

The F-16 also is in the running for a potentially huge order by the Indian Air Force, which issued a long-awaited Request for Proposals in August 2007 to fill a requirement for 126-200 new multirole fighters. The Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft program is intended to replace many of the service's elderly MiG-21s. Competing against the F-16 are the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, the Dassault Rafale, the MiG-35, and the Saab Gripen. Among the Western-built aircraft, the F-16 and Gripen are single-engined fighters that provide a “low-cost” alternative to the heavier, twin-engined Super Hornet and Rafale. The MiG-35 is a follow-on to the MiG-29, which is already in service with the IAF.

The RFP was not made available to the public, and it is not clear from the outside what factors the IAF considers most important in selecting a new fighter. In making its selection, India can be expected to be wary of offending long-time supplier Russia, but the nation is currently in a period of warming relations with the U.S. government, and U.S. recognition of India's right to develop its nuclear facilities may be rewarded by a large aircraft purchase.

Elsewhere, Lockheed Martin notes that “several customers” are showing high interest in the F-16E/F (formerly the Block 60 model developed for the United Arab Emirates), but many nations that would offer the best prospects for a new order are the same nations Lockheed Martin believes will be drawn to the F-35.

The F-35 was designed with the idea of supplanting the F-16 as the pre-eminent “affordable” multirole fighter in the western and Asian defense markets. Looking ahead, and Lockheed Martin may find itself in the same position as Dassault when the latter was offering customers both the Mirage 2000 and Rafale at the same time. Offering two aircraft that compete against each other may become an undesirable position for Lockheed Martin, or the F-16 may continue to be offered to customers that cannot afford the expected higher cost of the F-35.

Forecast International's projections call for production of the F-16 out to 2016, but additional orders could well extend production out several more years.

Eastern Europe has shown an affinity for cheap, single-engine fighters in recent years as countries in the region look to meet NATO responsibilities without breaking their limited defense budgets. Romania and Bulgaria is reported to be interested in acquiring 16 fighters, and the F-16 and Gripen are prime contenders for orders from these nations. Romania is looking for 48 fighters to replace 100 MiG-21s in its inventory. Funding is an obstacle, however. The near-term costs of the acquisition could be reduced by purchasing a mixture of new and refurbished aircraft or signing a lease deal.

The continuing interest in Lockheed Martin's F-16 is keeping GE and Pratt & Whitney busy building F110 and F100 engines for export orders, while both companies are developing engines for 5th generation fighters like the F-22 and F-35.

Overall, production during the 2009-2018 forecast period is projected to total 215 aircraft.
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The Pakistani Air Force has ordered 18 new fighters through the Pentagon's Foreign Military Sales program at the end of 2007. The order is part of a bigger deal to upgrade the PAF's existing fleet of A/B model F-16s. Pakistan took an option to purchase an additional 18 fighters under the deal. Pakistan may exercise these options, but funding the purchase will be difficult at the same time the PAF is purchasing large numbers of Chengdu FC-1s. Ongoing political turmoil in the country could also cause further deliveries of F-16s to be blocked by the U.S. government.

This (bold) could stop the F-16 deliveries, an d I dont know Y Lockheed Martin's is taking so much time to deliever Pakistan fighters
 
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This (bold) could stop the F-16 deliveries, an d I dont know Y Lockheed Martin's is taking so much time to deliever Pakistan fighters

greek orders have been completed - from the article time-line i can speculate/assume that orders for pakistan, turkey and morrocco are on-line at LM.
 
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But there is still a fear that USA might stop or delay delivieris
 
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only 18 paf ordered new F 16 why still no delivries still paf lacks a lot no new fighter jets since 2004 all that time they invested money we talked about it since 2004 but no aqusations till only 8 JF 17 no deal still signed on J 10 when AC oficialy anounced that PAF interested buying it in 2008 or in 2007 but still no deal inked on it what government is doing ecnomic crisis hit in 2008 not in 2004 what that all time government is doing and paf i think PAF should stop talking now and start doing something sign a major deal which it is interested in still no news on tankers IL 78

sign the deal with china KJ 2000 AWACS and J 10 now

Sign deal with US on KC startofortress

and ask ukraine to deliver IL 78 tankers soon
 
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only 18 paf ordered new F 16 why still no delivries still paf lacks a lot no new fighter jets since 2004 all that time they invested money we talked about it since 2004 but no aqusations till only 8 JF 17 no deal still signed on J 10 when AC oficialy anounced that PAF interested buying it in 2008 or in 2007 but still no deal inked on it what government is doing ecnomic crisis hit in 2008 not in 2004 what that all time government is doing and paf i think PAF should stop talking now and start doing something sign a major deal which it is interested in still no news on tankers IL 78

sign the deal with china KJ 2000 AWACS and J 10 now

Sign deal with US on KC startofortress

and ask ukraine to deliver IL 78 tankers soon

I think PAF does one thing well. It chooses its fighters in accordance with its needs. I think the reason PAF has not bought anything so far is the threat environment. Things have been reasonably cool between India and Pakistan, and afghanistani/Russian planes are no longer a threat at the moment.
Lets see what choices we have at hand. PAF could go for EF or Rafale(too expensiveto buy and maintain)Gripen(issues with engine plus swedish parliamentdid not agree) SU27/30(Russian aircraft herefore maintenance nightmare!!) and Chinese.
PAF chose F16s for the precise reason that maintenance will not be a nightmare,and all indications are that the actions of the 80s and 90s would not be repeated. It has balanced the issue by going for less number of new aircraft and more old ones. The logic is self evident and should not be repeated. It has repeatedly asked for its old Block 15s back rather than accept the new block 30s/40s. it is also an indicator of Paf's confidence thatthe aircrafts sent over to the US were the oldest f16s in the force.
This leaves us with the chinese angle. PAF has taken a line that they will buy chinese but only and only when things are to their satisfaction. The only time we have made a hurried order was for the PGs. That too we have modified to our liking and those in the know state that PAF has a lot to do with the modifications made to the aircraft.
JF17 has undergone a transition which is unbelievable. For what was supposed to be a cheap and affordable replacement of the lower tier aircraft, it has transformed itself into a mid to high tech affordable but very competant plane.The changes that have been made have all improved the overall performance of the plane even though our chinese brothers have complained that we keep changing the parameters and keep demanding more. In my view this is what PAF has been all about. They are professionals and will not take a less than satisfactory sample as the final answer. So now, even though it is undergoing extensive trials and modifications, and niggles and headaches are being resolved slowly but steadily. I suspect the same goes for J10. PAF has asked for modifications to the plane after flying it. Even though it irked our chinese brothers, they have pulled out all the stocks and done the hard work. The end result is the j10B, which flew recently.
In view of the above if you summate the situation it seems that the present news of PAF buying J10s isan interesting one. I am not privy to PAF planning but have a sneaking suspicion that either there is hostility in the air and PAF does not want to be caught with their pants down, or the news has been leaked for a special purpose to support Kiyanis visit to USA. I think if all goes well and we get what we want, and the present signs are looking good(according to Pshamim), we may yet delay our order for J10s and wait for FC20. In a way PAF will play one against the other to get the best deal out of both.
Comments welcome
WaSalam
Araz
 
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Hi,

With the cost overruns and the current reccession---I believe that the F 22 may never achieve the number of sales it was targetted for---keeping that in mind the F 16 would seem to be the most likely air craft to benefit for future upgrades and a longer life span.

Possibly an F 16 still flying around 50 years from now---what a feat.
 
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Some times designers can come up with a real winner. B-52 entered service in 1955. 55 years on and B-52 is still an integral part or of the US strateig forces.

Mig 21 first entered service in 1959, 50 years on and it is still flying albeit a modified version.

F-16 entered service with USAF in October 1980. On this basis it is safe to assume that it will soldier on at least until 2030 if not not beyond.

Oldest serving aircraft is no doubt Dakota (Dc-3) entered service in 1943 but some remain in operation now! However it is a transport aircraft where demads on the airframe are less severe.
 
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I think PAF does one thing well. It chooses its fighters in accordance with its needs. I think the reason PAF has not bought anything so far is the threat environment. Things have been reasonably cool between India and Pakistan, and afghanistani/Russian planes are no longer a threat at the moment.
Lets see what choices we have at hand. PAF could go for EF or Rafale(too expensiveto buy and maintain)Gripen(issues with engine plus swedish parliamentdid not agree) SU27/30(Russian aircraft herefore maintenance nightmare!!) and Chinese.
PAF chose F16s for the precise reason that maintenance will not be a nightmare,and all indications are that the actions of the 80s and 90s would not be repeated. It has balanced the issue by going for less number of new aircraft and more old ones. The logic is self evident and should not be repeated. It has repeatedly asked for its old Block 15s back rather than accept the new block 30s/40s. it is also an indicator of Paf's confidence thatthe aircrafts sent over to the US were the oldest f16s in the force.
This leaves us with the chinese angle. PAF has taken a line that they will buy chinese but only and only when things are to their satisfaction. The only time we have made a hurried order was for the PGs. That too we have modified to our liking and those in the know state that PAF has a lot to do with the modifications made to the aircraft.
JF17 has undergone a transition which is unbelievable. For what was supposed to be a cheap and affordable replacement of the lower tier aircraft, it has transformed itself into a mid to high tech affordable but very competant plane.The changes that have been made have all improved the overall performance of the plane even though our chinese brothers have complained that we keep changing the parameters and keep demanding more. In my view this is what PAF has been all about. They are professionals and will not take a less than satisfactory sample as the final answer. So now, even though it is undergoing extensive trials and modifications, and niggles and headaches are being resolved slowly but steadily. I suspect the same goes for J10. PAF has asked for modifications to the plane after flying it. Even though it irked our chinese brothers, they have pulled out all the stocks and done the hard work. The end result is the j10B, which flew recently.
In view of the above if you summate the situation it seems that the present news of PAF buying J10s isan interesting one. I am not privy to PAF planning but have a sneaking suspicion that either there is hostility in the air and PAF does not want to be caught with their pants down, or the news has been leaked for a special purpose to support Kiyanis visit to USA. I think if all goes well and we get what we want, and the present signs are looking good(according to Pshamim), we may yet delay our order for J10s and wait for FC20. In a way PAF will play one against the other to get the best deal out of both.
Comments welcome
WaSalam
Araz

What every you said Mr. Bohlae Badshah I have this feeling that USA will not give us the F-16s that we wanted instead they will try to finished this saga or give us a wheat in returns or some less important thing which is nothing to do with the Defence of Pakistan. :usflag:
 
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I think PAF does one thing well. It chooses its fighters in accordance with its needs. I think the reason PAF has not bought anything so far is the threat environment. Things have been reasonably cool between India and Pakistan, and afghanistani/Russian planes are no longer a threat at the moment.
Lets see what choices we have at hand. PAF could go for EF or Rafale(too expensiveto buy and maintain)Gripen(issues with engine plus swedish parliamentdid not agree) SU27/30(Russian aircraft herefore maintenance nightmare!!) and Chinese.
PAF chose F16s for the precise reason that maintenance will not be a nightmare,and all indications are that the actions of the 80s and 90s would not be repeated. It has balanced the issue by going for less number of new aircraft and more old ones. The logic is self evident and should not be repeated. It has repeatedly asked for its old Block 15s back rather than accept the new block 30s/40s. it is also an indicator of Paf's confidence thatthe aircrafts sent over to the US were the oldest f16s in the force.
This leaves us with the chinese angle. PAF has taken a line that they will buy chinese but only and only when things are to their satisfaction. The only time we have made a hurried order was for the PGs. That too we have modified to our liking and those in the know state that PAF has a lot to do with the modifications made to the aircraft.
JF17 has undergone a transition which is unbelievable. For what was supposed to be a cheap and affordable replacement of the lower tier aircraft, it has transformed itself into a mid to high tech affordable but very competant plane.The changes that have been made have all improved the overall performance of the plane even though our chinese brothers have complained that we keep changing the parameters and keep demanding more. In my view this is what PAF has been all about. They are professionals and will not take a less than satisfactory sample as the final answer. So now, even though it is undergoing extensive trials and modifications, and niggles and headaches are being resolved slowly but steadily. I suspect the same goes for J10. PAF has asked for modifications to the plane after flying it. Even though it irked our chinese brothers, they have pulled out all the stocks and done the hard work. The end result is the j10B, which flew recently.
In view of the above if you summate the situation it seems that the present news of PAF buying J10s isan interesting one. I am not privy to PAF planning but have a sneaking suspicion that either there is hostility in the air and PAF does not want to be caught with their pants down, or the news has been leaked for a special purpose to support Kiyanis visit to USA. I think if all goes well and we get what we want, and the present signs are looking good(according to Pshamim), we may yet delay our order for J10s and wait for FC20. In a way PAF will play one against the other to get the best deal out of both.
Comments welcome
WaSalam
Araz

Araz Sahib do you mind If I use the above in the PAF flight safety Mag. Very interesting indeed.
 
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Even if US does not deliver the F-16s to PAF for some reason or other; PAF will be able to absorb the loss as PAF can procure the latest versions of the J-10/FC-20 that will keep rolling out for the years to come.

Also the JF-17 upgraded with the best engine and avionics available will be good as well.
 
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PAKPOWER in the last few week there has been a lot of support for Pakistan because of what is going on and the good thing about it is that there own senators have started to talk of giving us the equipment to fight of WOT.
I have been on of the people who have always said we are not going to get
B/52. America will only give us these puppies if there is a stable Gov which is not and Zardari credibility is worse than Iran's President atleast Ahmedi means what he says.
Till yesterday Zardari was against reinstating the judges and today he says
MY LORDS I HAVE ALWAYS RESPECTED YOU AND WILL ALWAYS BOW MY HEAD DOWN INFRONT OF YOU. I am sure everyone in that room must be laughing from inside. What Pakistan needs is a good stable Gov.
 
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Araz Sahib do you mind If I use the above in the PAF flight safety Mag. Very interesting indeed.

Sir MuradK it would be anhonourfor this humble soul to be quoted by you. Bismaillah
WaSalam
Araz
 
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Sir MuradK it would be anhonourfor this humble soul to be quoted by you. Bismaillah
WaSalam
Araz

Thank you I will use your name not mine because I didn't write it and when it comes out you will automatically get a copy in mail with thanks from the DCAS Flight Safety with thanks.
 
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