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The Geneva Respite
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The agreement on Ukraine that Russia, the European Union, U.S. and Ukraine reached in Geneva on Thursday is the first document in which all four parties expressed at least some degree of common interest. It provided a glimmer of hope that the Ukrainian crisis might cool down somewhat. At the same time, however, it does not offer the de-escalation that would stave off the second round of sanctions that Washington is threatening to impose against Moscow.

The Geneva agreement might have offerred a slight relief, but it did not generate serious hopes for resolving the crisis in Ukraine.

It is good that the EU, U.S. and Russia sat down at the same table together, and it is good that they have assumed some responsibility for complying with this fragile agreement. That is especially important considering that the interim government in Kiev lacks full control over the situation in the country.

At the same time, though, nobody should overestimate the significance of the Geneva agreement. The most alarming thing is that it took participants eight hours of intensive negotiations to formulate the text of what is essentially just a standard truce. Rumors even flew during the talks that the process might break down at any moment.

The finished document calls for disarming all militant groups and for militants to vacate the buildings they seized, while offering amnesty for rebels, except those who committed capital crimes. The agreement also calls for a "national dialogue" but fails to spell out who would participate in such a dialogue and what results it should produce. Neither does the document refer in any way to the presidential election slated for May 25 or to the possibility of canceling or rescheduling that election.

The document also fails to stipulate if constitutional reforms that will introduce elements of federalism and weaken the powers of the president should precede or follow the election and whether a referendum on those reforms will be held. Lavrov left the Geneva talks claiming that constitutional reform in Ukraine is inevitable. But his counterpart, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, said nothing to indicate that Washington shared that view.

One other problem is that the word "federalism" — perhaps the largest issue of contention between Kiev and the militants in the eastern regions — does not even appear in the document. The participants simply deferred that issue, referring only vaguely to some indefinite process of "national dialogue." But I seriously doubt the effectiveness of such a dialogue unless the same international mediators who met in Geneva will accompany the process throughout. Even before the current crisis, the Ukrainian political elite were renowned for their inability to reach an agreement among themselves and their habit of breaking obligations they had only just assumed.

Kerry said if Moscow did not take demonstrative steps to de-escalate the crisis by the weekend, Washington would impose a new round of sanctions. Therefore, whatever respite the Geneva agreement may have provided is doomed to be short-lived. Kerry's statement once again confirmed the U.S. position that the rebels in Ukraine's south and east are nothing more than Moscow's puppets, and that if the Kremlin would just stop meddling in those regions, the standoff would somehow dissolve.

But even if the pro-Russian militants really were receiving support from Moscow, it does not necessarily follow that they would stop protesting the moment they were told to do so. It would be just as unrealistic to imagine that Right Sector extremists would obey orders from the authorities in Kiev. The people occupying administrative building in eastern Ukraine have already declared that they will not leave until extremists leave the Maidan in Kiev and release buildings they have seized.

Obviously, it will be very difficult to disarm militant groups anywhere in the country. Only an outside force acting on behalf of the EU, U.S. and Russia would have the ability of forcing all militias to disarm. But the trust between Russia and the West has completely broken down, making such a cooperative arrangement all but impossible. This distrust is particularly acute over the issue of Ukraine, which has brought a new cold war right up to Russia's borders.

It seems that the crisis in Ukraine will have to get much worse before Washington and Moscow will understand that the only way to resolve the conflict is by cooperating and making concessions to each other. For now, though, it seems that Russia is holding its ground and simply waiting complacently to get slapped with additional sanctions.

The Geneva agreement might have offerred a slight respite, but it did not generate serious hopes for resolving the crisis in Ukraine.
 
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Moscow Times is a useless tabloid.

Russians support Putin, that's the only thing that matter.

West can cry about it all they want, Crimea is now part of Russia.
 
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Isn't Moscow Times owned by Finland? :coffee:

For now, though, it seems that Russia is holding its ground and simply waiting complacently to get slapped with additional sanctions.


Once Russia and the US break all ties, Russia would be able to do whatever it wants like the USSR was able to. 8-) Another Cold War is inevitable because Russia is over 17.1 million square kilometers and it's no pawn of the US.

Russian envoy calls Canadian diplomat a 'spy' amid expulsions - Politics - CBC News
 
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Moscow Times is a useless tabloid.

Russians support Putin, that's the only thing that matter.

West can cry about it all they want, Crimea is now part of Russia.

THE MOSCOW TIMES is to Russia what the WALL STREET JOURNAL is to the US.

Clearly you don't know the vast lack of freedom of the media to know how brave TMT is to editoralize and report openly the news inside a repressive regime.

Of late Mr. Putin's politics favors harboring a high school drop out US traitor whic no other nation wants except the US for prosecution..

If Crimea is part of Russia then all of Kashmir belongs to India.
 
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THE MOSCOW TIMES is to Russia what the WALL STREET JOURNAL is to the US.

Clearly you don't know the vast lack of freedom of the media to know how brave TMT is to editoralize and report openly the news inside a repressive regime.

Of late Mr. Putin's politics favors harboring a high school drop out US traitor whic no other nation wants except the US for prosecution..

If Crimea is part of Russia then all of Kashmir belongs to India.


The US is far more oppressive than Russia is. Wall Street Journal is owned by, gasp, Wall Street. Unlike Russia which has a strong sense of nationalism, the US has no sense of nationalism. :p: The US doesn't even have an official language.
 
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The US is far more oppressive than Russia is. Wall Street Journal is owned by, gasp, Wall Street. Unlike Russia which has a strong sense of nationalism, the US has no sense of nationalism. :p:


Russian nationalism usually translates into genocide.Which your country,Heaven forbid,might have found out about it if the Russians weren't stopped in Afghanistan.
 
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Isn't Moscow Times owned by Finland? :coffee:




Once Russia and the US break all ties, Russia would be able to do whatever it wants like the USSR was able to. 8-) Another Cold War is inevitable because Russia is over 17.1 million square kilometers and it's no pawn of the US.

Russian envoy calls Canadian diplomat a 'spy' amid expulsions - Politics - CBC News

No, Mr. Putin had the Russian government within the past few days take over THE MOSCOW TIMES, which is now edited by a person formerly with the RIA, the Russian Information Agency, who was laid off from the RIA by Mr. Putin.

The staffing and future of THE MOSCOW TIMES is now very confused and unsettled.

Crimea is history. The focus is on Donbas. Get with the times, man. 8-)

Focus on India taking over all of Kashmir. This is the Pakistan topical website if you haven't noticed.
 
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The UN won't then allow Russia to take over Crimeia and Eastern Ukraine. Same UN, same logic.

Except that Russia has already taken over Crimea?

Will America risk a nuclear war with Russia to stop them?

Sanctions mean very little to a country like Russia which has such vast resources.
 
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Except that Russia has already taken over Crimea?

Will America risk a nuclear war with Russia to stop them?

Sanctions mean very little to a country like Russia which has such vast resources.

Sanctions of Russia have already radically reduced their balance of trade, now projecting a potential negative Net National Growth for all of 2014. Of course if Russia isolated itself and dealt only internally within it's own borders then it would not fit any internationally established formula for world comparisons.

Russia under Putin whose puppet Duma fear him, literally, has started an insane approach to life which requires worldwide condemnation and censure, and military air punishment(s) if Russia doesn't get in line promptly.

Obama's progressive sanctions alone will do no more than such have done to say Iran since 1976.

China gains as a rational member of the world community the more Russia goes "nuts" under Putin. China has both renewable power resources, solar, wind, hydropower, and under discussed "tidal hydro power" similar to that of Holland and France.

France a nation gets around 10% of it's total national electricity from tidal hydro power!!

China will soon have on line Iranian oil via pipelines thru Pakistan (Balochistan) to the Chinese construction funded port and railway connecting Iran oil both by pipeline and railway to the new Pakistan Port of Gwadar.

China can take of leave Russian oil, so Russia is not in a position to blackmail China. And today's modern Chinese military would wipe the floor with the rusting braggardly Putin's Russian military.
 
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China gains as a rational member of the world community the more Russia goes "nuts" under Putin. China has both renewable power resources, solar, wind, hydropower, and under discussed "tidal hydro power" similar to that of Holland and France.
France a nation gets around 10% of it's total national electricity from tidal hydro power!!
China will soon have on line Iranian oil via pipelines thru Pakistan (Balochistan) to the Chinese construction funded port and railway connecting Iran oil both by pipeline and railway to the new Pakistan Port of Gwadar.
China can take of leave Russian oil, so Russia is not in a position to blackmail China. And today's modern Chinese military would wipe the floor with the rusting braggardly Putin's Russian military.


China is not stupid. The US has hundreds of military bases in the world and still withholds Taiwan from China. Russia is China's key to bringing down the American hegemony. China backs the plan for a more powerful Russia. 8-)
 
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China is not stupid. The US has hundreds of military bases in the world and still withholds Taiwan from China. Russia is China's key to bringing down the American hegemony. China backs the plan for a more powerful Russia. 8-)

You are greatly mistaken. Russia and China are long term "not friends." China is most aligned with the US than with any other nation on the face of the earth today.
 
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