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The European Union Isn't Going To Bail Out Ukraine - Forbes

The European Union has had a pretty rough run over the past seven years. Economically, things are simply catastrophic. The Eurozone is not only experiencing an output slump that is even worse than the great depression, it is also teetering dangerously close to outright deflation. Unemployment remains persistently high everywhere except Germany: it is still above 25% in both Greece and Spain, and above 10% in Portugal, Italy, and France. The forecasts are hardly encouraging, with expectations of little or no growth in 2014 and an exceedingly modest rebound predicted for 2015. The situation is so desperate and hopeless that respected economists like Tyler Cowen have started to comparethe performance of the more sclerotic European economies with the de-industrialization of 19th century India.

Politically, things aren’t a whole lot better. The most recent elections to the European Parliament in late May saw Euroskeptics and radicals of various stripes storm to unprecedented victories. Even The Economist, which has been relentless in its promotion of the EU, sounded the alarm, admitting that the previous “bastion of European federalism” was set to become a “beachhead for all sorts of anti-Europeans.” There’s also the small matter that Viktor Orban, Hungary’s president, has all but declared war on “liberal democracy.” This is just a little bit awkward because Hungary is a member of an organization explicitly founded on liberal democratic concepts. The EU is now in the unprecedented position of needing to confront an avowedly “illiberal” regime within its own ranks.

As I hope the above makes clear, the EU is barely holding itself together. Even in a relatively optimistic scenario, it will have experienced a “lost decade” of economic growth, and tens of millions of Europeans will have had their professional lives deeply and negatively impacted by the European elite’s inability to effectively respond to the crisis. Political radicalism has already been strengthened to a frightening degree, and its anyone’s guess where the process will lead. In such a situation the EU is pretty obviously not in a position to bail anyone else out. Economically the EU doesn’t have the money and, politically, there is no will for further “expansion.”

Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt, who is well known for his extensive use of social media and for his support of Ukraine’s integration into European institutions, hasn’t gotten the message though. The other day he tweeted the following:

Important that Germany Chancellor Merkel now raises the issue of EU help in rebuilding of Donbass region. Will be needed. And expensive.

To the extent that Bildt convinces anyone in Ukraine that the EU will ride to the rescue he is being cruel. There is no other word for it. The EU is not going t help rebuild the Donbass. Full stop. Even if the EU (read: Germany) had sufficient funds at its disposal for this sort of effort, which is increasingly doubtful, the recent election made clear that popular enthusiasm for the EU project is evaporating almost in real time. There is precious little enthusiasm among the German public for bailout of other Eurozone members. The idea that Germany will consent to spending tens of billions of dollars rebuilding Eastern Ukraine is completely and totally divorced from political reality. Can anyone seriously imagine Angela Merkel, whose country recently had its 2014 growth estimate downgraded to a mere 1.5%, going in front of the German public to demand a substantial outlay for Ukrainian infrastructure? It would be political suicide, and Merkel is clearly a clever enough politician to understand this.

Ukraine and its political leadership needs to understand that, regardless of Bildt’s musings, the country’s “European choice” is not going to be underwritten by anyone else. Basic political reality in Germany and the EU, particularly the rapid growth of Euroskepticism, means that no help will be forthcoming. Kiev will have to chart its own course, and will need to find a way to pay for the (enormous!) expenditures of repairing its Eastern industrial heartland.



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There are people already on the streets in Western Ukraine, which the media is ignoring.
Things are only gonna get more interesting from here.
 
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Cant say I noticed any recession here in the UK although the media would often talk about it no one I know lost jobs, hell I would say more people including myself gained jobs so unless your living in one of the countries of Europe that relies on tourism or isnt in western Europe then you may be poorer but you never had it that good to begin with. The only niggle I have during the past few years is lack of training opportunities, they are still around but its more focused towards the people between 16-18 as opposed to people in their 20's who may want to change career.
 
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Whole article seems to be based on the premise that EU/Germany will be giving free cash. There's just a slight miscalculation with that. Namely, Ukraine won't be bailed out. It will be bought out.

Also, picture of author:

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Do any of you really think this brat who doesn't even shave knows best?
 
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Whole article seems to be based on the premise that EU/Germany will be giving free cash. There's just a slight miscalculation with that. Namely, Ukraine won't be bailed out. It will be bought out.

Also, picture of author:

73a0c9dc95faa922685caff26e6fb4c7


Do any of you really think this brat who doesn't even shave knows best?

growth numbers went down even before ukraine and now they will go even further down if russia retaliates. And worst thing is people will think its because of the clash with russia and not the euro currency system that doesnt work. Europe will suffer horrible times

Cant say I noticed any recession here in the UK although the media would often talk about it no one I know lost jobs, hell I would say more people including myself gained jobs so unless your living in one of the countries of Europe that relies on tourism or isnt in western Europe then you may be poorer but you never had it that good to begin with. The only niggle I have during the past few years is lack of training opportunities, they are still around but its more focused towards the people between 16-18 as opposed to people in their 20's who may want to change career.
life isnt what it used to be in 2008. UK got very poor over recent years in fact you never managed to get your gdp back at 2007 levels thats now 7 years in total 3 more years and you can say its a lost decade

Some Reality Check to Europeans: Only Russia and Germany grew their Nominal GDP since 2008
 
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You said it yourself, sensationalist garbage, the thing is all of these problems, they have ALWAYS existed, no nation on earth does not have starving people or unemployed "hooligan" type of youths who drink/take drugs and neglect the basic needs of their kids.

A 44 year old man starving to death because his benefits were cut, more like neglect from his family. The stories arent recent and the "children starving", look at it. They are what are called chavs in the UK, parents who rather buy cigarettes and weed with the benefits money than look after their own children, they are everywhere in the UK and it has been like that for decades, not just since "the recession" and not to mention families of African/Muslim immigrants with 10 kids who go to these food shelters, your average British person is doing more than fine.

life isnt what it used to be in 2008. UK got very poor over recent years in fact you never managed to get your gdp back at 2007 levels thats now 7 years in total 3 more years and you can say its a lost decade

Some Reality Check to Europeans: Only Russia and Germany grew their Nominal GDP since 2008

Of course it hasnt got back up as it was at a bit of a high at that point, I would be alarmed if we had a low gdp and if it was decreasing steadily every year, its not growing but its flatlined pretty much and slow growth will follow, as I have said before, when you are at a peak then growth stagnates, when your a country like Russia with 150,000,000 having pretty much the same economic output as a country with 60,000,000 then alarm bells should ring.

The reality in the UK is, apart from a few industries life continues much the same as it did in 2008, you will get poltiically written newspaper articles from people opposing the regime and they will dramatise a few things but 60,000,000 people living on a small island that has its fair share of immigrants who come along with hordes of children and then the local whites being just as bad sometimes will result in articles like children starving. If you shop around you can feed a small family for less than £50 a week, these people who are "starving" are just to fucking lazy to get a job. They expect the taxpayers to pay for them to sit around all day, smoking weed and drinking and then they complain when they get their measly few £ from the government and blow it all in a few days on new clothes, drugs and other garbage that an unemployed person with kids shouldnt be buying. As I said though, these thigs have been happening for decades, hell I can remember 15 years ago an African friend of mine in primary school (age 10) asking me for some food because he hadnt eaten.

And it aint all sunshine and happiness for Russian economy anyway

The Russian economy is nearing recession, officials said Tuesday, with punishing Western sanctions over the Ukraine conflict set to keep growth at ultra-low levels and drive up inflation.


"The economy is close to recession," said Oleg Zasov, the head of forecasting at the economy ministry, according to Russian news agencies."

And then a few others like Russia Expects Economic Growth to Slow - NASDAQ.com

All it takes is a few months of oil prices to drop and Russians economy nosedives, everybody is fragile at the moment but fragility in a country like the UK will only really effect the poorest people who to be honest are normally scumbags who put themselves in that situation through bad choices/substance abuse and if I had my way I would put them in a gulag.
 
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You said it yourself, sensationalist garbage, the thing is all of these problems, they have ALWAYS existed, no nation on earth does not have starving people or unemployed "hooligan" type of youths who drink/take drugs and neglect the basic needs of their kids.

A 44 year old man starving to death because his benefits were cut, more like neglect from his family. The stories arent recent and the "children starving", look at it. They are what are called chavs in the UK, parents who rather buy cigarettes and weed with the benefits money than look after their own children, they are everywhere in the UK and it has been like that for decades, not just since "the recession" and not to mention families of African/Muslim immigrants with 10 kids who go to these food shelters, your average British person is doing more than fine.



Of course it hasnt got back up as it was at a bit of a high at that point, I would be alarmed if we had a low gdp and if it was decreasing steadily every year, its not growing but its flatlined pretty much and slow growth will follow, as I have said before, when you are at a peak then growth stagnates, when your a country like Russia with 150,000,000 having pretty much the same economic output as a country with 60,000,000 then alarm bells should ring.

The reality in the UK is, apart from a few industries life continues much the same as it did in 2008, you will get poltiically written newspaper articles from people opposing the regime and they will dramatise a few things but 60,000,000 people living on a small island that has its fair share of immigrants who come along with hordes of children and then the local whites being just as bad sometimes will result in articles like children starving. If you shop around you can feed a small family for less than £50 a week, these people who are "starving" are just to fucking lazy to get a job. They expect the taxpayers to pay for them to sit around all day, smoking weed and drinking and then they complain when they get their measly few £ from the government and blow it all in a few days on new clothes, drugs and other garbage that an unemployed person with kids shouldnt be buying. As I said though, these thigs have been happening for decades, hell I can remember 15 years ago an African friend of mine in primary school (age 10) asking me for some food because he hadnt eaten.

And it aint all sunshine and happiness for Russian economy anyway



And then a few others like Russia Expects Economic Growth to Slow - NASDAQ.com

All it takes is a few months of oil prices to drop and Russians economy nosedives, everybody is fragile at the moment but fragility in a country like the UK will only really effect the poorest people who to be honest are normally scumbags who put themselves in that situation through bad choices/substance abuse and if I had my way I would put them in a gulag.


The only sensational newspaper I listed was the Mirror, the others are not known to be sensational.

Take off your blinker and see what has become of the UK. The social situation in the UK has deteriorated, to a lesser extend also here in Germany, since the end of the Cold War and has accelerated since the financial crisis in 2008. Living in denial will not improve anything.
 
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Europe is really going down, the PIGS are already facing poverty due to their overpaid useless workforces that cant produce shyt.

you do realize that poverty in the EU means to have a living style like indian upper class, right? :D

The renowned Forbeski magazin is indeed very Russian. :mod:

Mal eine Frage, warum biederst du dich eigentlich so extrem Drittweltlern usw an? Wirkt ziemlich eklig jemanden so im matsch kriechen zu sehen.
 
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you do realize that poverty in the EU means to have a living style like indian upper class, right? :D



Mal eine Frage, warum biederst du dich eigentlich so extrem Drittweltlern usw an? Wirkt ziemlich eklig jemanden so im matsch kriechen zu sehen.
Post reported.

It seems US bring the EU in a trap by indulging in Ukraine issue.
 
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russkie propaganda. ha ha


Because Forbes is really Russian right :lol: You are a habitual offender when it comes to not reading or understanding sources. Moreover, you blame Russia for everything; Today Forbes is Russian propaganda, yesterday it was Russia fault for the EU's botched satellite, tomorrow it will be something else. I think i speak for everyone when i say we are all dumber for reading your posts which for good reasons get you banned every other week.

It's time to wake up and acknowledge reality, the EU is in recession with many EU economies shrinking every year, some in negative growth. How you still deny this is beyond me.
 
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