EU should give a clear promise whether it'll join in US' anti-China alliance or not. So China could decide whether it'll offer aids to Russia

[kankan326]

Again, I am asking you for an official source as for Chinese ore are more expensive than Chinese import from Australia.

I am not asking you how much Iron Ore Chinese produce.

Also, Ford class is not steel hull, it's carbon fibre or glass fibre I forgot which one, so no, you cannot produce 3200 Ford Class for the iron you have.

Being an Australian, you even don't know this.

https://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=1718548660522774421&wfr=spider&for=pc

 

[jhungary]

Being an Australian, you even don't this.
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https://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=1718548660522774421&wfr=spider&for=pc

You do know what is "Official Post" not some Baidu Blog post.....

Dude, let me put it clearly. If you are saying Chinese own mine are more expensive than Australian import, which mean you have an official price to tell you how much per ton for the Chinese own mine, and how much per ton for the Aussie import for you to claim the local mine are more expensive.

I need that official price, not some blog post that I don't know who wrote it and for what context.

 

[huanghong]

You do know what is "Official Post" not some Baidu Blog post.....

Dude, let me put it clearly. If you are saying Chinese own mine are more expensive than Australian import, which mean you have an official price to tell you how much per ton for the Chinese own mine, and how much per ton for the Aussie import for you to claim the local mine are more expensive.

I need that official price, not some blog post that I don't know who wrote it and for what context.

According to data from the China Iron and Steel Association, in April 2022, the domestic iron ore was US$150.61/ton, and the CIF price of imported iron ore was US$142.17/ton.

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www.sohu.com

Prices in Australia appear to be lower, with a minimum CIF price of $139.8/ton in April
Chinese futures market daily quotes

http://ironore.100ppi.com/kx/

 

[kankan326]

It is very obvious. Once Russia is weaken, China will be next.

China has 2 options. Future war in China's frontyard or war now in Europe's backyard.

Choice is very easy..

We used to believe EU has independent policies. But after seeing EU blindly followed US steps in almost every issue, such as China's Xingjiang genocide lie made by US and now the Russia sanctions, We doubt if China‘s self restraint on Russia's issues can make it to keep distance with US. What if EU is actually US pawn like Japan? Is it still necessary for China to please EU?

I believe China have not helped Russia because China doesn't want to anger Europeans. But if China knows Europeans' anger or joy is meaningless, China doesn't need to consider their feeling anymore.

 

[jhungary]

According to data from the China Iron and Steel Association, in April 2022, the domestic iron ore was US$150.61/ton, and the CIF price of imported iron ore was US$142.17/ton.

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www.sohu.com

Prices in Australia appear to be lower, with a minimum CIF price of $139.8/ton in April
Chinese futures market daily quotes

http://ironore.100ppi.com/kx/

The CIOPI is different than my source.

China | China Iron Ore Price Index (CIOPI): Daily | CEIC

Discover data on China Iron Ore Price Index (CIOPI): Daily in China. Explore expert forecasts and historical data on economic indicators across 195+ countries.

www.ceicdata.com

Domestic 62% powder - 447.090
Import 62% Powder - 488.740

As of May 11, 2022

 

[kankan326]

The CIOPI is different than my source.

China | China Iron Ore Price Index (CIOPI): Daily | CEIC

Discover data on China Iron Ore Price Index (CIOPI): Daily in China. Explore expert forecasts and historical data on economic indicators across 195+ countries.

www.ceicdata.com

Domestic 62% powder - 447.090
Import 62% Powder - 488.740

As of May 11, 2022

China's steel industry official website

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www.custeel.com

 

[jhungary]

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Those are different ore powder tho.

You are comparing 62.5% import to 66%.......

Read the first map on your own reference, the 66% ore index are always higher than 62% (and 58%).......It's like you are comparing oil price but using High Octate 98 to Unleaded 94.....

Again, read my post before for the latest CIOPI rate.

 

[huanghong]

The CIOPI is different than my source.

China | China Iron Ore Price Index (CIOPI): Daily | CEIC

Discover data on China Iron Ore Price Index (CIOPI): Daily in China. Explore expert forecasts and historical data on economic indicators across 195+ countries.

www.ceicdata.com

Domestic 62% powder - 447.090
Import 62% Powder - 488.740

As of May 11, 2022

Strange data, the data of this link obviously does not match the data of the official website of ciopi.
Official data2022-5-13
62% domestic iron ore: $146/t
62% imported iron ore: $129/t

https://www.tiekuangshi.com/data/ciopi

 

[Cheepek]

Oh yeah, can't even issue UnionPay cards to sanction-hit Russian banks, but will "help" Russia in the war!

 

[xuxu1457]

This is just a personal idea, and China will not exchange its relations with Russia with Europe.
China will not provide military equipment to Russia, and has not done so in the past decades.

 

[jhungary]

Strange data, the data of this link obviously does not match the data of the official website of ciopi.
Official data2022-5-13
62% domestic iron ore: $146/t
62% imported iron ore: $129/t

https://www.tiekuangshi.com/data/ciopi

Well, 65% are higher import (1222.89 RMB vs 1100,56)

I don't see any 62% to 62% I see a 61% sale price and a 62% shore value in USD, while the 62% powder domestic is sale price.

In case you don't understand what I am saying

Green Circle to Green Circle are the same, both are sales/trade price, Pink Circle is different domestic one is trade price. Import one is onshore price.

Also, the last 3 entry are March 2022

 

[Viet]

Around the world, there are only two countries that have the will and power to fight US now, China and Russia. It doesn't matter whether they want to do so or not. US has made its enemy list. As a result, China and Russia have to support each other. No other choice. Each can not afford to lose the other. China and Russia are back to back allies.

Obviously US wants to topple Russia first through proxy war. Once there is a sign that Russia is going to lose the war, China should immediately ask EU countries to give China an official promise. If US asks, will they join in US' anti-China alliance? Any uncertain answer will be seen as “ they will". China should tell the world that China will offer aids to Russia for self safety concern. China doesn't support Russia's military actions in Ukraine. But if China is 100% sure that the west will economically or even militarily attack China after Russia falls, it will be utterly stupid to let that happen without doing anything.

Of course, even if EU gives China a promise, China still should help Russia in economy sector.

You can help the Russians whatever you like please don’t bother others people. You can send them chinese army meals, from what I read russian soldiers suffer under logistic problems. They are hungry.
But seriously, you should be more relax.
Russia is an existential threat to US, EU. Putin wants to nuke everything everyone he has nothing else to do. Nobody in US, EU thinks the same for the PLA. You won’t nuke other would you?
Europeans need chinese markets and manufacturing base. Russia offers nothing else than energy.
Once Europeans have renewable en masse then game over.

 

[AgnosticIndian]

No one is going mention the absolute hilarity of China giving "aids" to Russia?

as if COVID wasn't enough

 

[Viet]

This is just a personal idea, and China will not exchange its relations with Russia with Europe.
China will not provide military equipment to Russia, and has not done so in the past decades.

A military weakened Russia is good for China. Russia under Putin has no future. Russia is a global pariah. Even when one day Putin gone that will take generations to restore the relationship prior invasion.

 

[Mista]

China can only provide an economic lifeline to Russia. Militarily, at the very most China can only send equipment (even so I doubt it) but definitely not their troops to participate in the war, which isn't very helpful. It's not like the Russians are struggling because they lack equipment or key military technology that China can realistically make a difference.

This is just a personal idea, and China will not exchange its relations with Russia with Europe.
China will not provide military equipment to Russia, and has not done so in the past decades.

That was pretty obvious. Mutual interests with EU far exceeds mutual interests with Russia.