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EU fumes as US, Norway energy profits put solidarity to the test​

By Nikolaus J. Kurmayer, Oliver Noyan and Sarantis Michalopoulos | EURACTIV.com and EURACTIV.de
Oct 6, 2022

As the USA and Norway reap unprecedented profits from surging energy prices, EU countries are complaining more loudly and are preparing to send the European Commission forward to negotiate a better deal, voluntarily or not.

The European energy crisis has caused energy prices to spike. While Russia, the cause of the crisis, was one of the largest beneficiaries, EU allies, primarily the USA and Norway, are reaping extreme windfall profits as they fill the gap Russia left behind.

Some EU countries, like Poland, have long asked for negotiations with Norway to reduce prices. Now, Berlin has joined the call.

“Some countries, even friendly ones, are achieving astronomical prices in some cases,” Robert Habeck told the Neue Osnabruecker Zeitung.

“This naturally brings problems with it, which we have to talk about,” he added.

With Germany’s opposition to taking a harsher stance on allies profiting from surging gas prices, the issue will also be discussed at Friday’s EU Council meeting.

Green MEP Michael Bloss told EURACTIV that Europe is in the same boat as the US or Norway in this crisis.

“Russia’s gas freeze and strategic warfare must not weaken us in the EU. As allies, we should support each other instead of making a big deal out of Putin’s war. The US should offer an LNG price that is based on the level of the previous year,” Bloss said.

The German politician added that it is only logical that we finally make joint European gas purchases. “This is the only way we can assert our power on the market.”

According to the draft document of the conclusions, seen by EURACTIV, EU leaders will call on the Commission to speed “up negotiations with our partners” to “lower import prices for the European Union.”

“In an energy crisis of such magnitude, the solutions are to be found together in the spirit of solidarity,” commented Renew Europe MEP Nicolae Ștefănuță.

Technically ‘difficult’ experts warn

Experts, however, are critical of the success of this new approach that aims at equalising the cost of the energy crisis among allies – especially concerning the USA, which would have to be convinced to intervene in its own market.

“It looks impossible,” explained Thierry Bros, gas expert and professor at Sciences Po University. “Some are private contracts, and I don’t know how you can impose this if not in the contract,” he told EURACTIV.

According to Bros, it is equally unlikely that Norway will give in to European demands.

“For Norway, the constitution mandates the government to maximise the hydrocarbon rent,” he noted.

However, some underlying factors might open the doors for compromise between the EU and the two gas exporting countries.

Room for compromise

On Wednesday (5 September), the oil-producing countries OPEC+ announced production cuts of 2 million barrels and extended cooperation with Russia until the end of 2023 during a meeting in Vienna.

In the short-term, such a move will benefit Russia, considering that from December, Europe’s oil embargo against Russia will take effect, and Moscow will be in search of new clients.

“Russians will be forced to make concessions when it comes to prices to attract new customers. The price is, therefore, increased now in order to maximise as much as possible the profit later”, an EU source told EURACTIV.

In Washington, this sparked outrage, as US President Joe Biden has prioritised keeping prices at the pump low, as the high oil prices are one of the main drivers behind the US’ record inflation rates.

“The President is disappointed by the shortsighted decision by OPEC+ to cut production quotas,” a spokesperson said.

The US is amidst a strategic one-year release of petrol from the national reserve to keep prices low. But observers have noted that the US is unlikely to absorb the shock of production cuts by releasing just its own reserves.

Here, the EU could come in, as it did in the past. “The USA turned to us when oil prices shot up, and as a result, national oil reserves were also tapped in Europe,” Habeck explained.

“I think such solidarity would also be good for curbing gas prices,” he added. Perhaps partners can help each other out this time?

Watching from the North

Norway, now the EU’s largest supplier of fossil fuels, is profiting immensely from Russia’s actions and subsequent energy price spike. Norwegian officials say they have a difficult time with such windfall profits.

“There are times when it is not fun to make money, and this is one of them,” said Norwegian petroleum and energy minister Terje Aasland in March.

Yet, the Norwegian government has been extremely reluctant to aim for an equitable solution as it earns immense profits. The Norwegian Greens say the government “argues that our pension fund is taking a hit because of the war, so we need the war profits for ourselves,” which they say “is a really lame excuse,” international relations spokesperson Carl Johansen told EURACTIV.

As the European energy crisis and Russia’s war on Ukraine drags on, pressure on the Norwegian government to come to its EU allies’ aid increases.

“We cannot go on being war profiteers, which is becoming more shameful by the day,” he added. Norway, a small European country, “is as dependent on peace, stability and prosperity on the continent as any other country,” Johansen noted.

Instead, the Greens want the extra fossil fuel profits to go into a solidarity fund to be used to aid Ukraine and Europe’s energy poor.

 
So does it means there will be three prices for oil and gas?

One is the expensive market price for you and the rest of the world.

Two is the cheap West price for their own friends.

Three is cheap Russia's price.
 
Neither the US nor Norway are part of the EU lmao
It’s just money. Not lost, just goes to one people’s pockets. US, Norway take over oil and gas business from Russia. Norway is now the richest country on earth. Putin makes Russia to the biggest loser. EU is the second loser.
 
The market dermines the price. Thats capitalism 101. Why should Norway sell gas with discount? Its not like natural gas is a renewal energy.

Norway already supplies all it can. In addition Norway also exports electricity to UK and Germany, which has driven electricity prices 10-20X pst 7 months. Huge section of middle and lower middle income families are struggling with huge electricity bills.
 

EU fumes as US, Norway energy profits put solidarity to the test​

By Nikolaus J. Kurmayer, Oliver Noyan and Sarantis Michalopoulos | EURACTIV.com and EURACTIV.de
Oct 6, 2022

As the USA and Norway reap unprecedented profits from surging energy prices, EU countries are complaining more loudly and are preparing to send the European Commission forward to negotiate a better deal, voluntarily or not.

The European energy crisis has caused energy prices to spike. While Russia, the cause of the crisis, was one of the largest beneficiaries, EU allies, primarily the USA and Norway, are reaping extreme windfall profits as they fill the gap Russia left behind.

Some EU countries, like Poland, have long asked for negotiations with Norway to reduce prices. Now, Berlin has joined the call.

“Some countries, even friendly ones, are achieving astronomical prices in some cases,” Robert Habeck told the Neue Osnabruecker Zeitung.

“This naturally brings problems with it, which we have to talk about,” he added.

With Germany’s opposition to taking a harsher stance on allies profiting from surging gas prices, the issue will also be discussed at Friday’s EU Council meeting.

Green MEP Michael Bloss told EURACTIV that Europe is in the same boat as the US or Norway in this crisis.

“Russia’s gas freeze and strategic warfare must not weaken us in the EU. As allies, we should support each other instead of making a big deal out of Putin’s war. The US should offer an LNG price that is based on the level of the previous year,” Bloss said.

The German politician added that it is only logical that we finally make joint European gas purchases. “This is the only way we can assert our power on the market.”

According to the draft document of the conclusions, seen by EURACTIV, EU leaders will call on the Commission to speed “up negotiations with our partners” to “lower import prices for the European Union.”

“In an energy crisis of such magnitude, the solutions are to be found together in the spirit of solidarity,” commented Renew Europe MEP Nicolae Ștefănuță.

Technically ‘difficult’ experts warn

Experts, however, are critical of the success of this new approach that aims at equalising the cost of the energy crisis among allies – especially concerning the USA, which would have to be convinced to intervene in its own market.

“It looks impossible,” explained Thierry Bros, gas expert and professor at Sciences Po University. “Some are private contracts, and I don’t know how you can impose this if not in the contract,” he told EURACTIV.

According to Bros, it is equally unlikely that Norway will give in to European demands.

“For Norway, the constitution mandates the government to maximise the hydrocarbon rent,” he noted.

However, some underlying factors might open the doors for compromise between the EU and the two gas exporting countries.

Room for compromise

On Wednesday (5 September), the oil-producing countries OPEC+ announced production cuts of 2 million barrels and extended cooperation with Russia until the end of 2023 during a meeting in Vienna.

In the short-term, such a move will benefit Russia, considering that from December, Europe’s oil embargo against Russia will take effect, and Moscow will be in search of new clients.

“Russians will be forced to make concessions when it comes to prices to attract new customers. The price is, therefore, increased now in order to maximise as much as possible the profit later”, an EU source told EURACTIV.

In Washington, this sparked outrage, as US President Joe Biden has prioritised keeping prices at the pump low, as the high oil prices are one of the main drivers behind the US’ record inflation rates.

“The President is disappointed by the shortsighted decision by OPEC+ to cut production quotas,” a spokesperson said.

The US is amidst a strategic one-year release of petrol from the national reserve to keep prices low. But observers have noted that the US is unlikely to absorb the shock of production cuts by releasing just its own reserves.

Here, the EU could come in, as it did in the past. “The USA turned to us when oil prices shot up, and as a result, national oil reserves were also tapped in Europe,” Habeck explained.

“I think such solidarity would also be good for curbing gas prices,” he added. Perhaps partners can help each other out this time?

Watching from the North

Norway, now the EU’s largest supplier of fossil fuels, is profiting immensely from Russia’s actions and subsequent energy price spike. Norwegian officials say they have a difficult time with such windfall profits.

“There are times when it is not fun to make money, and this is one of them,” said Norwegian petroleum and energy minister Terje Aasland in March.

Yet, the Norwegian government has been extremely reluctant to aim for an equitable solution as it earns immense profits. The Norwegian Greens say the government “argues that our pension fund is taking a hit because of the war, so we need the war profits for ourselves,” which they say “is a really lame excuse,” international relations spokesperson Carl Johansen told EURACTIV.

As the European energy crisis and Russia’s war on Ukraine drags on, pressure on the Norwegian government to come to its EU allies’ aid increases.

“We cannot go on being war profiteers, which is becoming more shameful by the day,” he added. Norway, a small European country, “is as dependent on peace, stability and prosperity on the continent as any other country,” Johansen noted.

Instead, the Greens want the extra fossil fuel profits to go into a solidarity fund to be used to aid Ukraine and Europe’s energy poor.

It's EU self doing
They didn't pressurized ukraine to solve donesk donbass region problems per minsk agreement

Now bear the consequences
 
It's EU self doing
They didn't pressurized ukraine to solve donesk donbass region problems per minsk agreement

Now bear the consequences

You are right about the consequences. What you are not right is that the EU was foolish enough to disregard USA warnings about being dependent on Russia for energy.
 
The market dermines the price. Thats capitalism 101. Why should Norway sell gas with discount? Its not like natural gas is a renewal energy.

Norway already supplies all it can. In addition Norway also exports electricity to UK and Germany, which has driven electricity prices 10-20X pst 7 months. Huge section of middle and lower middle income families are struggling with huge electricity bills.

10-20x???

That is crazy!

In my country, an increase of 10% is already a huge issue.
 
:omghaha:

China To Stop Reselling LNG To Europe​

By Charles Kennedy - Oct 17, 2022, 10:00 AM CDT

Chinese state-owned energy giants have been recently told by authorities to stop reselling liquefied natural gas (LNG) cargoes to gas-starved Europe, in what could be a blow to the European hopes of continuous high inflows of LNG as the winter approaches.

The National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC), China’s top planning body, has told the country’s state-held LNG importers, including Sinopec, PetroChina, and CNOOC, that they should stop reselling LNG cargoes and keep them to ensure Chinese gas supply this winter, sources familiar with the development told Bloomberg on Monday.

In recent months, Chinese LNG importers have been selling their excess inventories to Europe and reaping big profits from the sales because of lackluster demand in China. Chinese domestic demand has been hit by incessant snap city-wide Covid lockdowns and a slowdown in economic growth.

So Chinese sales of LNG have been a relief to the European market so far this year.

But as China now moves to cater to its own energy security this winter, Europe’s LNG supply could dwindle just ahead of the winter heating season.

Gas prices in Europe have dropped from record highs and hit on Monday the lowest level in three months after the EU is reportedly looking to introduce measures to limit the market volatility of the benchmark European natural gas prices at the Dutch TTF hub. According to a draft document that Bloomberg News has seen, the European Commission is set to propose measures to limit extreme price spikes in derivatives trading.

Moreover, gas storage sites across the EU were 92% full as of October 16, according to data from Gas Infrastructure Europe. The storage sites are being filled faster than the EU and many individual members had initially planned. Although gas in storage alone will not be enough to see an economy such as Germany’s through the winter, the faster-than-planned gas storage filling has eased somewhat supply concerns, for now.

By Charles Kennedy for Oilprice.com


:omghaha:

China To Stop Reselling LNG To Europe​

By Charles Kennedy - Oct 17, 2022, 10:00 AM CDT

Chinese state-owned energy giants have been recently told by authorities to stop reselling liquefied natural gas (LNG) cargoes to gas-starved Europe, in what could be a blow to the European hopes of continuous high inflows of LNG as the winter approaches.

The National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC), China’s top planning body, has told the country’s state-held LNG importers, including Sinopec, PetroChina, and CNOOC, that they should stop reselling LNG cargoes and keep them to ensure Chinese gas supply this winter, sources familiar with the development told Bloomberg on Monday.

In recent months, Chinese LNG importers have been selling their excess inventories to Europe and reaping big profits from the sales because of lackluster demand in China. Chinese domestic demand has been hit by incessant snap city-wide Covid lockdowns and a slowdown in economic growth.

So Chinese sales of LNG have been a relief to the European market so far this year.

But as China now moves to cater to its own energy security this winter, Europe’s LNG supply could dwindle just ahead of the winter heating season.

Gas prices in Europe have dropped from record highs and hit on Monday the lowest level in three months after the EU is reportedly looking to introduce measures to limit the market volatility of the benchmark European natural gas prices at the Dutch TTF hub. According to a draft document that Bloomberg News has seen, the European Commission is set to propose measures to limit extreme price spikes in derivatives trading.

Moreover, gas storage sites across the EU were 92% full as of October 16, according to data from Gas Infrastructure Europe. The storage sites are being filled faster than the EU and many individual members had initially planned. Although gas in storage alone will not be enough to see an economy such as Germany’s through the winter, the faster-than-planned gas storage filling has eased somewhat supply concerns, for now.

By Charles Kennedy for Oilprice.com

 
:omghaha:

China To Stop Reselling LNG To Europe​

By Charles Kennedy - Oct 17, 2022, 10:00 AM CDT

Chinese state-owned energy giants have been recently told by authorities to stop reselling liquefied natural gas (LNG) cargoes to gas-starved Europe, in what could be a blow to the European hopes of continuous high inflows of LNG as the winter approaches.

The National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC), China’s top planning body, has told the country’s state-held LNG importers, including Sinopec, PetroChina, and CNOOC, that they should stop reselling LNG cargoes and keep them to ensure Chinese gas supply this winter, sources familiar with the development told Bloomberg on Monday.

In recent months, Chinese LNG importers have been selling their excess inventories to Europe and reaping big profits from the sales because of lackluster demand in China. Chinese domestic demand has been hit by incessant snap city-wide Covid lockdowns and a slowdown in economic growth.

So Chinese sales of LNG have been a relief to the European market so far this year.

But as China now moves to cater to its own energy security this winter, Europe’s LNG supply could dwindle just ahead of the winter heating season.

Gas prices in Europe have dropped from record highs and hit on Monday the lowest level in three months after the EU is reportedly looking to introduce measures to limit the market volatility of the benchmark European natural gas prices at the Dutch TTF hub. According to a draft document that Bloomberg News has seen, the European Commission is set to propose measures to limit extreme price spikes in derivatives trading.

Moreover, gas storage sites across the EU were 92% full as of October 16, according to data from Gas Infrastructure Europe. The storage sites are being filled faster than the EU and many individual members had initially planned. Although gas in storage alone will not be enough to see an economy such as Germany’s through the winter, the faster-than-planned gas storage filling has eased somewhat supply concerns, for now.

By Charles Kennedy for Oilprice.com


:omghaha:

China To Stop Reselling LNG To Europe​

By Charles Kennedy - Oct 17, 2022, 10:00 AM CDT

Chinese state-owned energy giants have been recently told by authorities to stop reselling liquefied natural gas (LNG) cargoes to gas-starved Europe, in what could be a blow to the European hopes of continuous high inflows of LNG as the winter approaches.

The National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC), China’s top planning body, has told the country’s state-held LNG importers, including Sinopec, PetroChina, and CNOOC, that they should stop reselling LNG cargoes and keep them to ensure Chinese gas supply this winter, sources familiar with the development told Bloomberg on Monday.

In recent months, Chinese LNG importers have been selling their excess inventories to Europe and reaping big profits from the sales because of lackluster demand in China. Chinese domestic demand has been hit by incessant snap city-wide Covid lockdowns and a slowdown in economic growth.

So Chinese sales of LNG have been a relief to the European market so far this year.

But as China now moves to cater to its own energy security this winter, Europe’s LNG supply could dwindle just ahead of the winter heating season.

Gas prices in Europe have dropped from record highs and hit on Monday the lowest level in three months after the EU is reportedly looking to introduce measures to limit the market volatility of the benchmark European natural gas prices at the Dutch TTF hub. According to a draft document that Bloomberg News has seen, the European Commission is set to propose measures to limit extreme price spikes in derivatives trading.

Moreover, gas storage sites across the EU were 92% full as of October 16, according to data from Gas Infrastructure Europe. The storage sites are being filled faster than the EU and many individual members had initially planned. Although gas in storage alone will not be enough to see an economy such as Germany’s through the winter, the faster-than-planned gas storage filling has eased somewhat supply concerns, for now.

By Charles Kennedy for Oilprice.com

Gas delivery from China is too little to have any effect. Right now the situation is different. lots of countries want to earn big money. they deliver non stop gas to EU. there is surpluses of natural gas on the market. Too much gas that Spain can’t even unload the Lng tankers.
 
Gas delivery from China is too little to have any effect. Right now the situation is different. lots of countries want to earn big money. they deliver non stop gas to EU. there is surpluses of natural gas on the market. Too much gas that Spain can’t even unload the Lng tankers.
Of cos when u paid orbitant prices. Supply will come in no issue. But what happened when u start running out of money? Don't worry, lapdog of USA leftwing will claim it's the price to pay for "freedom"

The LNG gas China sold to EU are at much lower price compare from USA.
 
LOL at the end of the day it is everyone for themselves. They claim to be united, but unity only goes so far.
 
Of cos when u paid orbitant prices. Supply will come in no issue. But what happened when u start running out of money? Don't worry, lapdog of USA leftwing will claim it's the price to pay for "freedom"

The LNG gas China sold to EU are at much lower price compare from USA.
Relax my friend. the EU pays in euros. the risk is zero that money runs out.
 
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