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i think the message from India before visit, is very clear !

http://www.hindustantimes.com/edito...nd-pakistan/story-Co1FOJ3Rdu4nn9Ysua3hVP.html

Hindustan Times
A friend of Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, Erdogan has repeatedly expressed support for Islamabad’s positions over Delhi’s, and this has come in the way of deeper ties between India and Turkey. He has also pointedly suggested India and Pakistan had equal right to join the Nuclear Suppliers Group, a false equivalence if ever there was one.

Recep Tayyip Erdogan will not find India falling short of its traditions of “atithi satkaar” and “mehmaan nawaazi” during his visit to New Delhi, but Turkey’s president would be well advised to keep his end of the bargain by playing the gracious guest. This would require him to curb his rhetoric about the West, which has turned bilious in recent years, in tandem with Mr Erdogan’s declining popularity, at home and abroad.

When Mr Erdogan last visited India, in 2008, he was welcomed as a leader of growing global stature, an example for all those who aspire to democracy. The president who arrived on Sunday is a pale shadow of that man, a leader so frightened of his shadow that he has imprisoned tens of thousands of his own countrymen, including more journalists than any totalitarian dictatorship.

In recent months, he has been on a tear about what he claims is the West’s open enmity towards all Muslims. This is not paranoia so much as politics: having lost his previous status as a beacon of democracy in the Muslim world, and blown Turkey’s chances of joining the European Union, Mr Erdogan is apparently trying to reinvent himself as a champion of Islamism. He seems determined to undo the proud secular traditions of his own country, and last month’s controversial referendum — whose results were uncomfortably close and tainted by credible complaints of tampering — has given him to power to do so. Mr Erdogan’s bluster towards imagined enemies may win him some admiration among fellow-paranoiacs in the Arab world, but they would not be welcome in India, which greatly values its relations with Europe and the United States. It is to be hoped that the president knows better than to stir up anti-Western feelings here.


Another challenge for Mr Erdogan will be to mind his manners — and his business — on matters relating to India and Pakistan. A friend of Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s, Mr Erdogan has repeatedly expressed support for Islamabad’s positions over Delhi’s, and this has come in the way of deeper ties between India and Turkey. He also backed the position of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (another outfit in which he hopes to have a bigger say) on the subject of Kashmir. In an interview ahead of his visit, he pointedly suggested India and Pakistan had equal right to join the Nuclear Suppliers Group, a false equivalence if ever there was one.

Given Turkey’s longstanding closeness with Pakistan, it may be too much to expect relations with India to be more than formal and principally economic in nature. Mr Erdogan could even deepen such ties as exist, but only if he keeps his grievances to himself.
 
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"He also backed the position of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (another outfit in which he hopes to have a bigger say) on the subject of Kashmir. In an interview ahead of his visit, he pointedly suggested India and Pakistan had equal right to join the Nuclear Suppliers Group, a false equivalence if ever there was one."
LOL on other news
Turkey’s position on India’s bid for permanent membership in the UN Security Council is different. Mr Cevik said his country wanted the five permanent members of the world body to give up their veto powers. Turkey is a member of the group called Uniting for Consensus that is opposed to the expansion of permanent seats in the Security Council.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1330303/erdogan-urges-india-to-hold-talks-with-pakistan
So, Turkey politely said :
1) No to UNSC in india favor
2) No to NSG group
3) Discuss and solve kashmir
 
"He also backed the position of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (another outfit in which he hopes to have a bigger say) on the subject of Kashmir. In an interview ahead of his visit, he pointedly suggested India and Pakistan had equal right to join the Nuclear Suppliers Group, a false equivalence if ever there was one."
LOL on other news
Turkey’s position on India’s bid for permanent membership in the UN Security Council is different. Mr Cevik said his country wanted the five permanent members of the world body to give up their veto powers. Turkey is a member of the group called Uniting for Consensus that is opposed to the expansion of permanent seats in the Security Council.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1330303/erdogan-urges-india-to-hold-talks-with-pakistan
So, Turkey politely said :
1) No to UNSC in india favor
2) No to NSG group
3) Discuss and solve kashmir

And Turkey is just another NOBODY as far as Kashmir is concerned for India. Moreover, Turkey will get a similar backing whenever they may require an international support. The world won't end in a day or two my friend. :p:
 
wait for more nations regarding kashmir.

we need to highlights indian barbaric treatment against innocents children , women and students
and for this we need to provide them(kashmiris) internet service by chinese satellite communication using silicon chips it can be in boxes or in any shape..

try to understand by yourself, it is my individual thought therefore confirm by experts first..
may be i didn't understand this article

Wireless Internet for All, Without the Towers
 
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Turkey should know India is much bigger nation than itself in every sence.once we get a yes vote for NSG may be Turkey will realise that :-)
 
India doesnt like anyone interfering, it's their sensitive point. North Korea does not like to talk about the famine plight, Myanmar does not like to talk about the Rohingya, Israel does not like to talk about human rights violations in Palestine, and India does not like to talk about Kashmir.
 
"He also backed the position of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (another outfit in which he hopes to have a bigger say) on the subject of Kashmir. In an interview ahead of his visit, he pointedly suggested India and Pakistan had equal right to join the Nuclear Suppliers Group, a false equivalence if ever there was one."
LOL on other news
Turkey’s position on India’s bid for permanent membership in the UN Security Council is different. Mr Cevik said his country wanted the five permanent members of the world body to give up their veto powers. Turkey is a member of the group called Uniting for Consensus that is opposed to the expansion of permanent seats in the Security Council.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1330303/erdogan-urges-india-to-hold-talks-with-pakistan
So, Turkey politely said :
1) No to UNSC in india favor
2) No to NSG group
3) Discuss and solve kashmir

First of all, Erdogan constantly used the term "Kashmir" instead of "Jammu & Kashmir" which is seen as a provocative and pro-Pakistan approach by many Hindu nationalists.

Secondly, India has maintained several times that no third-party has the right to intervene or to mediate between Pakistan and India. But Erdogan insisted that a multilateral approach is the key for a peaceful and sustainable solution. He basically disagreed with a core position of India regarding the Kashmir Conflict during his visit in India.
( :D )
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/turk...r-issue-once-and-for-all.492773/#post-9433940
 
A friend of Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, Erdogan has repeatedly expressed support for Islamabad’s positions over Delhi’s, and this has come in the way of deeper ties between India and Turkey. He has also pointedly suggested India and Pakistan had equal right to join the Nuclear Suppliers Group, a false equivalence if ever there was one.

Something tells me, the man is going to have a tough time convincing us to have strong political ties with them without an exchange of benefits.
 
And Turkey is just another NOBODY as far as Kashmir is concerned for India. Moreover, Turkey will get a similar backing whenever they may require an international support. The world won't end in a day or two my friend. :p:
Lol Yes..Turkey NO will make you NOBODY in NSG..8-).... Turkey required India backing ?o_OI doubt it would ever come to this
 
India doesnt like anyone interfering, it's their sensitive point. North Korea does not like to talk about the famine plight, Myanmar does not like to talk about the Rohingya, Israel does not like to talk about human rights violations in Palestine, and India does not like to talk about Kashmir.
to expose human rights violations just provide them free internet service, and there you go.. so innocent people will have strong communication system to show their rightful reservations infront of world..
 
First of all, Erdogan constantly used the term "Kashmir" instead of "Jammu & Kashmir" which is seen as a provocative and pro-Pakistan approach by many Hindu nationalists.

Secondly, India has maintained several times that no third-party has the right to intervene or to mediate between Pakistan and India. But Erdogan insisted that a multilateral approach is the key for a peaceful and sustainable solution. He basically disagreed with a core position of India regarding the Kashmir Conflict during his visit in India.
( :D )
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/turk...r-issue-once-and-for-all.492773/#post-9433940

There is no issue.

It is like greek Cypriots massacring Turks, settling in southern part of Turkey and then demanding southern Turkey to be a part of Greece.

Does it mean that southern Turkey is Greek? No right? Same thing in Jammu & Kashmir.

We know that politically Turkey is with Pakistan more than us.

Fine enough.

But when you are looking to see mutual benefits, the benefits should be mutual and not one sided.
 
If I know Erdoğan well, I do, this is the simpliest explanation of the trip;

Main agenda; FETO schools in India.
Subagendas; Kashmir issue, bileteral trade bla bla bla...

Erdoğan is pro-Pakistan on Kashmir and it won't change. Maybe he can say something pleasure for Indians to hear untill he gets what he wants. So there is no need to discuss about NSG, SC and other stuff unless Kashmir issue is solved. No back from Turkey for India.

Turkey should know India is much bigger nation than itself in every sence.

Proud Indian? That's good everyone proud of his nation and should be but it's kinda funny it's coming from a cronic colony nation to never-been colonized nation. If you don't wanna hear bitter sounds don't speak cocky.
 
First of all, Erdogan constantly used the term "Kashmir" instead of "Jammu & Kashmir" which is seen as a provocative and pro-Pakistan approach by many Hindu nationalists.

Secondly, India has maintained several times that no third-party has the right to intervene or to mediate between Pakistan and India. But Erdogan insisted that a multilateral approach is the key for a peaceful and sustainable solution. He basically disagreed with a core position of India regarding the Kashmir Conflict during his visit in India.
( :D )
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/turk...r-issue-once-and-for-all.492773/#post-9433940

i think a decent approach from Erdogan.
 
Lol Yes..Turkey NO will make you NOBODY in NSG..8-).... Turkey required India backing ?o_OI doubt it would ever come to this

While India enjoy every exemption and act like any other NSG member and your beloved Turkey can't do anything about that apart from an objection on NSG membership. :p:

If you think as a country Turkey doesn't have anything to gain from India and personally Erdogan doesn't need Indian support, I don't have anything much to say, but you will see it yourself in few years. LOL :p:

And mark my words, Turkey never said a NO and this time around Turkey will never say a NO again on India's NSG bid. Just wait for few months and see for yourself. :)
 

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