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Enter the Rising Sun: Manila, Tokyo to start talks on letting Japan use Philippine military bases

I dont know why people in PDF think that Nihonjin personal opinion can change what is really happening in Tokyo...?
As one of the posters in PDF here, I am not as naive as you think I am to think that NIhonjin or his view can change what is really happening in Tokyo. You seemed failing to understand the purpose of our conversation and exchanging views with Nihonjin. As many already said or pointed out, there is no doubt that China and Japan are not among the popular country list of each others'- and I think the western medias have been playing a big role in this, as normal people in both countries only know each other through the lens of the medias. Thus Nihonjin presents us with an unique opportunity to communicate and interact on a peer-to-peer level for forming our own views and perceptions about each other. Although we don't have any say in the policy making process, I believe ultimately any politician in any country needs to answer to the people's will. Fostering friendship rather then animosity is a virtue to our everyday life, let alone to country's relationship.You reap what you sow.

Mihonjin makes me thinking of one Japanese actor in China called " 矢野浩二 ". He started acting Japanese soldier in Chinese movies 16 years ago, and was nicknamed as "鬼子专业户" for he did so many such play. Gradually, because his honesty and work ethics, Chinese audience started liking him and he has become popular in China and been playing many " positive roles" than the notorious "鬼子". Last week, he received the praise from the Japanese ambassador in China for his commitment in building understanding between tow counties. Even Chinese media said China needs more "鬼子" like him.

矢野浩二 received the praise from the Japanese ambassador in China last week
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He started acting "鬼子" 16 years ago
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He has successfully changed many Chinese people's view about Nihonjin
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He has been gradually accepted by the Chinese and performed in other popular programs
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He even had his own talking forum
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Now he is fully integrated into the Chinese society
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As one of the posters in PDF here, I am not as naive as you think I am to think that NIhonjin or his view can change what is really happening in Tokyo. You seemed failing to understand the purpose of our conversation and exchanging views with Nihonjin. As many already said or pointed out, there is no doubt that China and Japan are not among the popular country list of each others'- and I think the western medias have been playing a big role in this, as normal people in both countries only know each other through the lens of the medias. Thus Nihonjin presents us with an unique opportunity to communicate and interact on a peer-to-peer level for forming our own views and perceptions about each other. Although we don't have any say in the policy making process, I believe ultimately any politician in any country needs to answer to the people's will. Fostering friendship rather then animosity is a virtue to our everyday life, let alone to country's relationship.You reap what you sow.

Mihonjin makes me thinking of one Japanese actor in China called " 矢野浩二 ". He started acting Japanese soldier in Chinese movies 16 years ago, and was nicknamed as "鬼子专业户" for he did so many such play. Gradually, because his honesty and work ethics, Chinese audience started liking him and he has become popular in China and been playing many " positive roles" than the notorious "鬼子". Last week, he received the praise from the Japanese ambassador in China for his commitment in building understanding between tow counties. Even Chinese media said China needs more "鬼子" like him.

矢野浩二 received the praise from the Japanese ambassador in China last week
1456036692604425.jpg


He started acting "鬼子" 16 years ago
u=2632640811,2831505469&fm=21&gp=0.jpg


He has successfully changed many Chinese people's view about Nihonjin
20160229103109112.jpg


He has been gradually accepted by the Chinese and performed in other popular programs
u=2743849037,3419228287&fm=11&gp=0.jpg


He even had his own talking forum
u=1388796290,4241991922&fm=11&gp=0.jpg


Now he is fully integrated into the Chinese society
W020160122392235070636.jpg

OK, thanks for this long answer.........

It is a good thing to warm relation between people of course, but we are here mostly talking about real politics that is playing, not something speculative about what will be happening in the future, because it is a defense and geopolitical forum.

And I also want to say that Japan will not do something hard to China now since those nations are too close, this is because China economic and military future is likely to be more and more might than Today. Japanese strategies know this calculation as well.

But in the other hand there is North Korea issue in which Japanese still feel insecure if they want to confront North Korea on its own. So Japanese still relies on USA on this matter. Japanese reliance on USA is also quite high in term of their weapon, while in other hand Japan-Russia relation is still not that strong. So this condition will be the main reason of why Japan want to have military present around SCS, in order to balance Japan relation with USA. So it is funny if PDF members has different logic to reason this new development in Philipine. So It is actually what I have said earlier.
 
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But in the other hand there is North Korea issue in which Japanese still feel insecure if they want to confront North Korea on its own. So Japanese still relies on USA on this matter. Japanese reliance on USA is also quite high in term of their weapon, while in other hand Japan-Russia relation is still not that strong. So this condition will be the main reason of why Japan want to have military present around SCS, in order to balance Japan relation with USA. So it is funny if PDF members has different logic to reason this new development in Philipine. So It is actually what I have said earlier.

I would not say relations with Pyongyang and Tokyo are that mitigated, my friend. The Japanese Government is rather secretive in regards to her bilateral mechanism, but do not be surprised to know that Japan maintains a rather omnidirectional position even with our supposed "threats" in media. The point is that despite political stance and political speak, Japan has ways of cultivating relations with Pyongyang. China serves as a route, but then again Tokyo also utilizes , for example, Mongolia. Not everything is black and white, and surely no true patriot of Japan really believes that China is our greatest threat. Japan's greatest threat is American securitized apparatus , which will aim to utilize Japan and Korea as mere bulwarks to protect American hegemony in the Pacific.

That, my friend, is what must be eroded.

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ULAN, BATOR – Japan and North Korea held secret talks in mid-May in Ulan Bator over North Korea’s abductions of Japanese nationals decades ago, a diplomatic source in Mongolia said Sunday.

Officials of the two countries met secretly before what Japan viewed as the one-year deadline on July 4 for completing the North Korean probe. North Korea told Japan on July 2 it needed more time to complete the investigation, according to the Japanese government.

The investigation is the third that Pyongyang has promised to conduct, following probes in 2002 and 2004 that Japan found unconvincing.

Prime Minister Shinzo Abe sent an aide to Mongolia in mid-May to seek its help in getting North Korea to clarify what became of Japanese nationals it abducted in the 1970s and 1980s, a source familiar with Japan-North Korea relations said. Chances are high that the aide, one of Abe’s executive secretaries, joined the secret talks.

In July last year, North Korea launched a comprehensive investigation into all Japanese residing in the country in return for Tokyo lifting some sanctions. The probe included a reinvestigation into the 12 Japanese citizens officially listed by Tokyo as abduction victims who are still missing.

On Sunday, Shotaro Yachi, Abe’s key foreign policy adviser who heads the secretariat of Japan’s National Security Council, held talks in the Mongolian capital with Tsagaandari Enkhtuvshin, secretary of Mongolia’s National Security Council.

The Mongolian official told reporters he promised Yachi that Ulan Bator will continue to serve as a mediator for the settlement of the abduction issue. Mongolia has diplomatic ties with North Korea, while Japan does not.

Mongolia venue of secret May talks with Pyongyang over abductions | The Japan Times

It is a good thing to warm relation between people of course, but we are here mostly talking about real politics that is playing, not something speculative about what will be happening in the future, because it is a defense and geopolitical forum.

I suppose why folks here who are so dependent on American security umbrella may take my views rather offensively is because it strikes at the very foundation of that umbrella: interdependence. That Japan is learning to posit herself in a more independent foreign policy calculus and to position her own military abroad in a rather effective, coherent and in an inclusive multilateral position is testament to Japan's direction in the coming years. What we are seeing is the gradual stripping of dependence on US military networks, rather, the development of Japanese+n security frameworks between Japan and other participating nations. China is a main partner that Japan is beginning to tap into as a global partner in recent years. As we see Japan's normalization of relations with Russia, China, and with greater relations with South Korea, we will see an inverse reduction on dependence on US networks. This thereby reduces American clout in Tokyo, and with are just beginning to see this recently when Japan has dismissed Washington's opposition to tokyo
announcement that Abe will meet with Putin before the G7 meeting.

The future is developing rather interestingly, my friend.
 
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I would not say relations with Pyongyang and Tokyo are that mitigated, my friend. The Japanese Government is rather secretive in regards to her bilateral mechanism, but do not be surprised to know that Japan maintains a rather omnidirectional position even with our supposed "threats" in media. The point is that despite political stance and political speak, Japan has ways of cultivating relations with Pyongyang. China serves as a route, but then again Tokyo also utilizes , for example, Mongolia. Not everything is black and white, and surely no true patriot of Japan really believes that China is our greatest threat. Japan's greatest threat is American securitized apparatus , which will aim to utilize Japan and Korea as mere bulwarks to protect American hegemony in the Pacific.

That, my friend, is what must be eroded.

OK, thanks for this bro....

It is actually quite interesting to see your current view toward USA....

But the real question is that, how likely your view is to become real policy in the future....?

How many in percentage young Japanese share your new view on PDF....

Do you think that Japan in 2030 will be against USA and side with China...?

I will analyze your answer carefully though since you once tried to spin this current movement.......:D
 
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I believe ultimately any politician in any country needs to answer to the people's will. Fostering friendship rather then animosity is a virtue to our everyday life, let alone to country's relationship.You reap what you sow.

Friendship in the military to military channel is already there, there is already great respect between our servicemen. All that needs to be cultivated upon is more inter-governmental cooperation, partnership.

Rimpac 2014: Japanese and Chinese naval personnel pictured chit-chatting ;)

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@bbccdd1470 @Tiqiu notice in the first pic , where there were no media folks --- both were able to joke about something, our guy is laughing like a kid, lol. in the second pic, when there were video recorders, seems like both reverted to "serious" mode. :D:lol:
 
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Haha, very good one... I can tell that Chinese guy in the second picture couldn't hold his laugh as good as his Japanese counterpart did. lol.

Hahahaha, see , the point is that our boys get along very well just fine. I also love how there were no US naval personnel there, lol. I suppose they were spying and watching through binoculars. I can imagine a conversation would go like this:

marine1: you see what's going on over there?
marine 2: what? the indian navy folks?
marine 1: no, no, take a gander at 6 'oclock.
marine 2: is that a jmsdf and plan boy talking ?
marine1: uh huh. not just that, looks like they're laughing together. go over there and make sure the japanese boy keeps a stiff upper lip. we saw him walking around earlier.
marine 2: yes, sir!

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6 minutes later
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marine 2: sir, am here, they're both still there talking and walking around together.
marine 1: go dispatch a media contingent there, stop whatever they're doing
marine 2: sir, yes sir.
marine 1: can't believe these japanese. we invite them to the rimpac and encourage them to counter the chinese and look what they do! they're playing friends?
marine 2: sir maybe this respect extends to the two sides' military brass?
marine 1: what do you mean? you mean to say --- that japanese are playing nice with us?
marine 2: well sir, you know, sir, pearl harbor....
marine 1: ...well... hot dog....
 
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I suppose there is an expectation, supposed, of Japanese 'gratefulness' for US military presence in Japan and to hear my views and my rather critical views of US forces in Okinawa and on the general political economy --- had really affected him.

That's very interesting but anticipated. Because, I guess, for 70 years now, the US worked tirelessly to create a new Japanese psyche of shame of the past and gratefulness toward a country that brought about untold miseries. It is good to know that Japan is slowly breaking away from this unhealthy mental situation and assuming its role as a nation state and a major power in East Asia.

Another interesting thing is, a same effort to derive gratefulness from China is non-existent; but, supposedly, they saved us from you. Instead of us, they opted to stay in Japan and attempted to change and restructure the entire cultural code of Japan. Maybe that was due to the geopolitics of the time; the psychological impact of atomic weapons offered a mature ground for the US to nation-construct.

Hopefully, all these efforts will go in vain, and Japan will prove to be a sovereign nation with distinct national heritage that it shared with China and Korea only.
 
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nah,if you use those bases it will paid by the japanese goverment.see how the american bases working in japan
it is stupid,you go to philippines and portect them from the so called chinese invadtion and your goverment will pay the costs.
let the philippines pay for your gas and oil and the payment of your soldiers.
 
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Filipino initiated SCS case. But Philippines has become a meat everyone wants to have a bite. Filipino with colonial era mind are doomed to be the largest loser in SCS.
 
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Been hearing some reports on a possibility of a 'lease' of Oyster bay to Japan. Will update.
 
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^Japan is schedule to participate with U.S & india in drills near philippine west sea around june..
 
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^Japan is schedule to participate with U.S & india in drills near philippine west sea around june..

It will be in undisputed waters, I believe. That is fine as it is a continuation of Malabar. I don't think our side would agree to conducting naval exercise in contested waters.

Will have to verify.
 
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Filipino initiated SCS case. But Philippines has become a meat everyone wants to have a bite. Filipino with colonial era mind are doomed to be the largest loser in SCS.

Oh please typical chinese arrogance no evidence to show go to name calling just typical barbaric name calling
 
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