Embrace India, not Pakistan, says US columnist

[illuminatus]

I understand your point., BUT if you are so angry., and u believe US betrayed you., then why asking for more aid and military hardware, why dont you say..."guy's party is over and get the hell out" you cant say this...a

when GOP was under tremendous money problem., it was US, which helped and still giving lot of money (i am talking about welfare money..not WoT or army related)., as long as you are receiving those money, you cant complain them....

Good question. The problem is that you're posing this question to me as if I or the 170 million people of Pakistan are in charge. Everyone knows the feelings of an ordinary Pakistani citizen, but the decision makers decide. Obviously, the corrupt government has other ideas and judging by history they are only interested in filling their own pockets at any expense. Also, these corrupt stooges are deliberately supported by the US in order to further their interest in exchange for some lousy loose change.

We don't want the bribe money. Pakistan has enough resources at disposal when utilized properly and fairly aid is history.

 

[Cholan]

thats the problem. our country is still being run by a single sick head. when kerry lugar bill (US 1.5 bullion aid package) was brought in parliament, the whole nation and parliament rose up against it and said that we will eat grass and die of hunger but wont accept this kerry ***** from US to feed our stomach..but our most corrupt president (who unfortunately has the powers) accepted this bill to fill his own account. even 10% of this amount wont go for the people anyway. as i said earlier, that is the US strategy. it buys the corrupt leaders of different countries and black mails the people of that nation through that leader by putting disgraceful conditions

aren't you guys responsible for your leaders... why dont your people start protesting...(i mean real protest like in the case of CJ)., not just TV and web based protest... against those corrupt leaders., as long as you people sit silent., then who is making mistake here?

 

[illuminatus]

^^ That's already happening and these leaders are now feeling the heat. Also, the reason why some people in the US are so frustrated at this development and spewing nonsense like the posted article. The US doesn't want a no for an answer. It's a reaction to the resistance of Pakistani masses. The US expects the people to accept the aid in its current form. The US wants to further its interests without any resistance from the people of Pakistan. Even if that means many more innocent deaths on the Pakistani side. That's obviously not going to happen.

 

[RameeX Xaved]

Don't be emotional here..International relations are not based on emotions...its about what can two countries do for each other....US can offer money....what can Pakistan offer to US........


Well haven't Pakistan enjoyed the money given by US as aid....in Billlions....Pakistan can only refuse to US ..if Pakistan refuses to accept Aid from US......but thats highly unlikely....

Pakistan is in this situation because of the shortsightedness of Pakistani leadership...that does not allow them to look beyond Eastern Border.....Practically each and everything was focussed towards that.....nothing else....so now you find yourself on a sticky ground .......

People can buy you only if you are willing to sell yourself....so why blame anyone for buying your leadership.....even your top brass army is ready for sale...depending on the price that is on offer.

let me be very clear over here. we hate the hypocrties of this country more than US. they have always existed in our history and you are right on your point that why complain the enemy when your own people are betraying you?
we blame both our corrupt leaders and US stabbing for this condition. you said US can offer Pak money, but isnt US itself the cause of destruction of our economy so that we are forced to go for US money? remember the 90s US embargo? and now this war on terror has ripped us apart. even if US can really give us money, then US expects us to give us our thousands of lives in return? does US even have some humanism? and then obama gets Nobel Peace Award

 

[RameeX Xaved]

aren't you guys responsible for your leaders... why dont your people start protesting...(i mean real protest like in the case of CJ)., not just TV and web based protest... against those corrupt leaders., as long as you people sit silent., then who is making mistake here?

unfortunately, there is no politician we could really trust on nor any political party..this this so-called democratic system itself is a lie on our face since niether dictatorship nor democracy has done us any good. thats why the masses of Pakistan listen to Zaid Hamid because he is a true analyst and a scholar of Islam. people have really started to think about Islamic Khilafat as the governing system of Pakistan where no corrupt can even think of becoming a leader. just wait for that revolution where all these corrupt politicians will be hanged on the
electric poles of islamabad just like the italian and iranian revolution. because there is a limit of every surpression

 

[illuminatus]

^^ This country is in dire need of a so-called green revolution. The head of the serpent needs to be crushed so that 60 years of injustice can be undone infinitely. The signs of such a revolution are apparent. It's only a matter of last drop in the bucket which will make it run over.

 

[ssheppard]

let me be very clear over here. we hate the hypocrties of this country more than US. they have always existed in our history and you are right on your point that why complain the enemy when your own people are betraying you?
we blame both our corrupt leaders and US stabbing for this condition. you said US can offer Pak money, but isnt US itself the cause of destruction of our economy so that we are forced to go for US money? remember the 90s US embargo? and now this war on terror has ripped us apart. even if US can really give us money, then US expects us to give us our thousands of lives in return? does US even have some humanism? and then obama gets Nobel Peace Award

Its not US who is taking lives of Pakistanis....its Pakistani themselves...Unless you want world to believe that Pakistani Terrorists don't exist....and no section in Pakistani community supports terrorism.... A terrorism that was harbored in 1980's and 1990's....by Pakistan ...with a huge support from US....is the one thats taking lives...of Pakistanis....

But tell me...why did Pakistan choose to go ahead supporting terrorists...why did't Pakistan tell US in 1980's that sorry we don't want to be a part of your plan..

It was Pakistans urge to acquire more and more weapons that made your leaders take those moronic decisions...because of those shortsighted visions...you country is in this situation.....and even after all that you keep on blaming everyone else but yourself.....deep down most of you would love to see US being defeated in Afghanistan so that these terrorists take over Afghanistan so that Pakistani Agencies can get benefit.....Even now I don't see Pakistanis joining hands against terrorists....you still differentiate between Good Taliban and Bad Taliban....and whats strange is that Pakistan is supporting US in Afghanistan by allowing supply lines...and when the same terrorist crosses lines to Pakistan he becomes and Indian supported TTP....


Pakistan wants to fight the same Taliban in Pakistan...but it does not want to stop the same Taliban from fighting in Afghanistan .against US........
It was your leadership and A common Pakistani himself that threw Pakistan on the path it is right now..... why blame rest of the world for your wrong decisions.

 

[hindesi]

Wouldn't you shout anti-US slogans if your country was to be violated by drone attacks time and time again? Wouldn't you shout anti-US slogans when many innocent people and perhaps family died as a consequence of these drone attacks?

Im not here to defend US or west for that matter.. but ur cribbing made me reply..

Yes one should shout when innocents are killed by drone attacks.. but why did the need to use drones arise in the first place.. if your ISI and army break all relations with talibanis and alquaida fellows and fight truely and give 100% in the war against terror then drones would be useless.. ask your Army and ISI why do they still pamper the terrorists. I'll tell you why.. because they can be and are being used against India thts why!!

Wouldn't you shout anti-US slogans when soldiers in your country were sacrificing their lives each day and a superpower threatened to do more?

Soldiers who are dying are dying for a good cause but then again the problem is very simple.. ask the "real" powers in your country to stop protecting and providing logistical support to all terror groups including the ones that work against India and the abhor the very idea of India.. then and then only will the lives of soldiers dying be justified.

Wouldn't you shout anti-US slogans when your adversary is being showered with nuke tech and other toys whilst you're making the sacrifices?

Your adversary i.e India has earned it's place in international community by working for progress and good for it's people.

your adversary India did not have the father of nuclear program selling know hows to the world in black market.

your adversary India has actually tried mending the distances and stepped up to offer Pak a hand of friendship but was slapped back with Kargil

your adversary India and people living in it as fed up with the tantrums and hysterics of Pakistan and Pakistanis in general... grow up!!!!

Wouldn't you despise the US for leaving your country high and dry after the Cold War? Wouldn't you be angry at the very least to have to deal with the aftermath as a consequence? That isn't hate, but exposing double standards. Differentiate between the two.

A very valid point and US needs to share the blame for that... I think all the problems that Pak is facing today is directly related to US packing it's bags and leaving you high n dry.. but look at it from this way.. once US left.. the mujahids from Afghan were targeted at India in Kashmir... We have taken the brunt for that as well.. but do you see us sobbing for that??? NO and thts the diff between India and Pakistan.. you like to live in past we look forward to the future and trust me it's gonna be a helluva future for India..

 

[hindesi]

unfortunately, there is no politician we could really trust on nor any political party..this this so-called democratic system itself is a lie on our face since niether dictatorship nor democracy has done us any good. thats why the masses of Pakistan listen to Zaid Hamid because he is a true analyst and a scholar of Islam. people have really started to think about Islamic Khilafat as the governing system of Pakistan where no corrupt can even think of becoming a leader. just wait for that revolution where all these corrupt politicians will be hanged on the
electric poles of islamabad just like the italian and iranian revolution. because there is a limit of every surpression

damn to remove one evil you guys cling on to another.. great.. the very idea gives me shrills down my spine.. god save the world after this "revolution"

 

[Enigma SIG]

White noise from a fascist american
Another one of the "Hey! India has more money and we need it"

 

[Thebignag]

Thank you Sir! But please continue to embrace Pakistan. Jhappia Pappia lette raho dette raho... We absolutely do not mind the " love and affection" between USA and Pakistan... Let's just do plain business...

 

[duhastmish]

ummmm- Lol i dont know what should india feel on this.

feel good or scared ???? lool - well india is in trouble. American love as history says is like true love loool because this love always end up in pain .

i think india should let America embraces the middle east. they are better off with just diplomatic and buisiness friendship.

but atleast paksitan be happy america dont love you so much now ay ?

 

[graphican]

when GOP was under tremendous money problem., it was US, which helped and still giving lot of money (i am talking about welfare money..not WoT or army related)., as long as you are receiving those money, you cant complain them.

We are not getting this aid as free. We have agreed to let Black Water get in and do all those criminal and terrorizing activities they want. We have allowed Americans to come and get close to our Nuclear Installations and we are being paid for that. Its business my friend. we are selling our soul to Americans for the money they are offering. They are not any "kind" to this Nation neither they have humanitarian reasons to support Pakistan. Just read the text of Carry Luger Bill to understand the level of respect we both have for each other. They are getting from us what they need and we are getting from hem what we need. They are sucking our blood and we are asking for a bread for a meal.

Only an Pakistani can understand what does it mean to be an Ally with America. Gen Ayub had said, "Its dangerous to be an enemy of America but its deadly to be its friend". Sure, America must embrace India and embrace it well, even more than it embraced Pakistan. We are happy to see you two getting closer and closer.

 

[Enigma SIG]

Thank you Sir! But please continue to embrace Pakistan. Jhappia Pappia lette raho dette raho... We absolutely do not mind the " love and affection" between USA and Pakistan... Let's just do plain business...

No thank you. We absolutely want the US to get into love with India. It'd be pretty interesting to see the relationship 20 years down the road with America exploiting your Red corridor to gain a foothold in China.

Nice plan USA

 

[ssheppard]

No thank you. We absolutely want the US to get into love with India. It'd be pretty interesting to see the relationship 20 years down the road with America exploiting your Red corridor to gain a foothold in China.

Nice plan USA

Well my friend...India has abilities to creat redundant network of allies...

For Example: India has got US on One Side..Russia on another.. India has got mutually beneficial agreements and engagements in Place ..Indians are cunning enough to not to put all their eggs in the same basket..as is the tendency of Pakistan....... What do Pakistani posters say in this scenario...."These cunning Sons of Chankya"

It was US in 1900.....China in 2000.....lets wait and see how China handles Pakistan ....in the next 20 yrs to come.....

Remember in 1900 US gave you everything you asked for ....and even gave money to buy planes from US companies ... Just like China is giving Pakistan money to Buy Planes from Chinese Companies......
So you ended up with American Debt in 1900....and you might end up with Chinese Debt in 2000.....